Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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mwc68 said:
Exactly which teaching are you referring to? You people do some pretty weird stuff like teaching a rapture, totally unbiblical,
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Rapture comes from thelatin word raptura word which means to be "caught up"

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

Sound pretty biblical to me, especially considering it is in the word of God. But since you do not study the word. you have it spoonfed to you. you probably never have seen this

osas again unbiblical
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Eternal life is eternal. not conditional. Then again, You refuse to look at John 6 which would prove this to you. so you will never understand this.

and running around like gibbering fools, because some guy misinterpreted the verses on tongues. I have plenty beef with your heresies!
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Well thats not one of my heresis. but thanks.

Your problem is the most important doctrine of all (the gospel of Christ) your church has faltered on. Who cares about how you treat mary (even though she would reject you even saying these things about her) or how you do communion or mass. If your gospel leads you and those who follow you to hell. non of the rest matters.
 

  2. “Let us run to Mary, and, as her little children, cast ourselves into her arms with a perfect confidence.”
~Saint Francis de Sales~




“With reason did the Most Holy Virgin predict that all generations would call her blessed, for all the Elect obtain eternal salvation through the means of Mary."

~Saint Ildephonsus, Bishop~


Let us run to Mary, and, as her little children, cast ourselves into her arms with a perfect confidence.


~Saint Francis de Sales~


"The Immaculate alone has from God the promise of victory over Satan. She seeks souls that will consecrate themselves entirely to her, that will become in her hands forceful instruments for the defeat of Satan and the spread of God's kingdom."


~Saint Maximilian Kolbe~


"If you invoke the Blessed Virgin when you are tempted, she will come at once to your help, and Satan will leave you."


~Saint John Vianney~


Jesus is the mediator of justice; Mary obtains for us grace; for, as St. Bernard, St. Bonaventure, St. Bernardine of Siena, St. Germanus, St. Antoninus, and others say, it is the will of God to dispense through the hands of Mary whatever graces he is pleased to bestow upon us. With God, the prayers of the saints are the prayers of His friends, but the prayers of Mary are the prayers of His mother.
~ Saint Alphonsus Liguori~


​“Such is the will of God that we should have everything through Mary.”
~Saint Alphonsus Liguori~



All taken from a Roman Catholic site encouraging prayer
 
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valiant said:

  1. “[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]Let us run to Mary, and, as her little children, cast ourselves into her arms with a perfect confidence.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]~Saint Francis de Sales~[/FONT]




“[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]With reason did the Most Holy Virgin predict that all generations would call her blessed, for all the Elect obtain eternal salvation through the means of Mary."[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]~Saint Ildephonsus, Bishop~[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]Let us run to Mary, and, as her little children, cast ourselves into her arms with a perfect confidence.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]~Saint Francis de Sales~[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]"The Immaculate alone has from God the promise of victory over Satan. She seeks souls that will consecrate themselves entirely to her, that will become in her hands forceful instruments for the defeat of Satan and the spread of God's kingdom."[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]~Saint Maximilian Kolbe~[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]"If you invoke the Blessed Virgin when you are tempted, she will come at once to your help, and Satan will leave you."[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]~Saint John Vianney~[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]Jesus is the mediator of justice; Mary obtains for us grace; for, as St. Bernard, St. Bonaventure, St. Bernardine of Siena, St. Germanus, St. Antoninus, and others say, it is the will of God to dispense through the hands of Mary whatever graces he is pleased to bestow upon us. With God, the prayers of the saints are the prayers of His friends, but the prayers of Mary are the prayers of His mother. [/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]~ Saint Alphonsus Liguori~[/FONT]


​“[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]Such is the will of God that we should have everything through Mary.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, Times, serif]~Saint Alphonsus Liguori~[/FONT]



All taken from a Roman Catholic site encouraging prayer
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Exactly. where does this say Mary is above God? You people are hopeless, puffed up in pride and knowledge . I'm just gonna let it go for right now, jeff, valient sense you are all knowing and self proclaimed teachers and, lol, experts
 
mwc68 said:
Exactly. where does this say Mary is above God? You people are hopeless, puffed up in pride and knowledge . I'm just gonna let it go for right now, jeff, valient sense you are all knowing and self proclaimed teachers and, lol, experts
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Let us listen to the Popes:


  1. Prayer to the Blessed Virgin​
    Most Holy and Immaculate Virgin! O my Mother! Thou who art the Mother of my Lord, the Queen of the world, the advocate, hope, and refuge of sinners! I, the most wretched among them, now come to thee. I worship thee, great Queen, and give thee thanks for the many favors thou hast bestowed on my in the past; most of all do I thank thee for having saved me from hell, which I had so often deserved. I love thee, Lady most worthy of all love, and, by the love which I bear thee, I promise ever in the future to serve thee, and to do what in me lies to win others to thy love. In thee I put all my trust, all my hope of salvation. Receive me as thy servant, and cover me with the mantle of thy protection, thou who art the Mother of mercy! And since thou hast so much power with God, deliver me from all temptations, or at least obtain for me the grace ever to overcome them. From thee I ask a true love of Jesus Christ, and the grace of a happy death. O my Mother! By thy love for God I beseech thee to be at all times my helper, but above all at the last moment of my life. Leave me not until thou seest me safe in heaven, there for endless ages to bless thee and sing thy praises. Such is my hope. Amen.― (Prayer of St. Alphonse Liguori, 3 yrs indulgence,Raccolta, 342)​



  1. (Bull Ineffabilis Deus 1854)​
    18. It is therefore, a pleasure for us, a full century having passed since the Pontiff of immortal memory, Pius IX, solemnly proclaimed this singular privilege of the Virgin Mother of God, to summarize the whole doctrinal position and conclude in these words of the same Pontiff, asserting that this doctrine "vouched for in Sacred Scripture according to the interpretation of the Fathers, is handed down by them in so many of their important writings, is expressed and celebrated in so many illustrious monuments of renowned antiquity, and proposed and confirmed by the greatest and highest decision of the Church", so that to pastors and faithful there is nothing "more sweet, nothing dearer than to worship, venerate, invoke and praise with ardent affection the Mother of God conceived without stain of original sin.” (Ibidem.)​




      1. Fulgens corona​
        This is an encyclical by Pope Pius XII, written in 1953, on the Feast of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and proclaims a Marian year for 1954, to commemorate the centenary of the definition of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary.​



  1. 33. But where - as is the case in almost all dioceses, there exists a church in which the Virgin Mother of God is worshipped with more intense devotion, thither on stated days let pilgrims flock together in great numbers and publicly and in the open give glorious expression to their common Faith and their common love toward the Virgin Most Holy. ...​
    34. But let this holy city of Rome be the first to give the example, this city which from the earliest Christian era worshipped the heavenly mother, its patroness, with a special devotion. As all know, there are many sacred edifices here, in which she is proposed for the devotion of the Roman people; but the greatest without doubt is the Liberian Basilica [St. Mary Major], in which the mosaics of Our predecessor of pious memory, Sixtus III, still glisten, an outstanding monument to the Divine maternity of the Virgin Mary, and in which the "salvation of the Roman people" (Salus Populi Romani) benignly smiles.​
    Source:
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    FULGENS CORONA, Encyclical Of Pope PIUS XII, September 8th, 1953.​




  1. In his 1956 encyclical "Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus", Pius XII defines Mary's role in the redemption of mankind:​
    "By the will of God, the most Blessed Virgin Mary was INSEPARABLY JOINED WITH CHRIST IN ACCOMPLISHING THE WORK OF MAN’S REDEMPTION so that our salvation flows from the love of Jesus Christ and His sufferings, intimately UNITED with the love and sorrows of His Mother."​
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Rapture comes from thelatin word raptura word which means to be "caught up"

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

Sound pretty biblical to me, especially considering it is in the word of God. But since you do not study the word. you have it spoonfed to you. you probably never have seen this



Eternal life is eternal. not conditional. Then again, You refuse to look at John 6 which would prove this to you. so you will never understand this.



Well thats not one of my heresis. but thanks.

Your problem is the most important doctrine of all (the gospel of Christ) your church has faltered on. Who cares about how you treat mary (even though she would reject you even saying these things about her) or how you do communion or mass. If your gospel leads you and those who follow you to hell. non of the rest matters.
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By the way, i have and do read my bible thank you. You misinterpretation of Thes. still amazes me. Clearly this is speaking of the Lord's Day! The Last Day! Not some silly rapture
 
mwc68 said:
By the way, i have and do read my bible thank you. You misinterpretation of Thes. still amazes me. Clearly this is speaking of the Lord's Day! The Last Day! Not some silly rapture
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I even read the seven books missing from your "bible"
 
mwc68 said:
Exactly. where does this say Mary is above God? You people are hopeless, puffed up in pride and knowledge . I'm just gonna let it go for right now, jeff, valient sense you are all knowing and self proclaimed teachers and, lol, experts
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It says that Jesus brings justice, but that it is Mary alone who brings grace. That indicates that she is greater than Jesus. And Jesus is GOD.
 
mwc68 said:
By the way, i have and do read my bible thank you. You misinterpretation of Thes. still amazes me. Clearly this is speaking of the Lord's Day! The Last Day! Not some silly rapture
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It is still a rapture (caught up). Your ignorance still amazes me. Just goes to prove how spoonfed you are. you think you know how everyone believes, because that is what is spoonfed to you by your church.

This should be proof enough to you that your so called leaders who are supposed to be infalible are fallible. But you will not listen to reason, you place men over the word of God.

And no you do not study the word, reading it and studying it are not the same, if you studied it (with an open mind, like we are ALL supposed to, our eternity is at stake) you would not believe the way you do. period.

Maybe one day you will realise, God is not going to give you a pass if your leaders are wrong, he will send you to hell, because you refused to study for yourself and do what paul commanded every one of us to do. You left it all to those above you, and trusted them more than the word of God.
 
mwc68 said:
I even read the seven books missing from your "bible"
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They are not missing, they are full of contradictions and false teachings. there is a reason they are left out. Our word can not contradict.

I happen to use maccabees alot. it is a great history book. but the word of God. No, it does not fit the mold.

 
valiant said:
Let us listen to the Popes:


  1. Prayer to the Blessed Virgin​
    Most Holy and Immaculate Virgin! O my Mother! Thou who art the Mother of my Lord, the Queen of the world, the advocate, hope, and refuge of sinners! I, the most wretched among them, now come to thee. I worship thee, great Queen, and give thee thanks for the many favors thou hast bestowed on my in the past; most of all do I thank thee for having saved me from hell, which I had so often deserved. I love thee, Lady most worthy of all love, and, by the love which I bear thee, I promise ever in the future to serve thee, and to do what in me lies to win others to thy love. In thee I put all my trust, all my hope of salvation. Receive me as thy servant, and cover me with the mantle of thy protection, thou who art the Mother of mercy! And since thou hast so much power with God, deliver me from all temptations, or at least obtain for me the grace ever to overcome them. From thee I ask a true love of Jesus Christ, and the grace of a happy death. O my Mother! By thy love for God I beseech thee to be at all times my helper, but above all at the last moment of my life. Leave me not until thou seest me safe in heaven, there for endless ages to bless thee and sing thy praises. Such is my hope. Amen.― (Prayer of St. Alphonse Liguori, 3 yrs indulgence,Raccolta, 342)​



  1. (Bull Ineffabilis Deus 1854)​
    18. It is therefore, a pleasure for us, a full century having passed since the Pontiff of immortal memory, Pius IX, solemnly proclaimed this singular privilege of the Virgin Mother of God, to summarize the whole doctrinal position and conclude in these words of the same Pontiff, asserting that this doctrine "vouched for in Sacred Scripture according to the interpretation of the Fathers, is handed down by them in so many of their important writings, is expressed and celebrated in so many illustrious monuments of renowned antiquity, and proposed and confirmed by the greatest and highest decision of the Church", so that to pastors and faithful there is nothing "more sweet, nothing dearer than to worship, venerate, invoke and praise with ardent affection the Mother of God conceived without stain of original sin.” (Ibidem.)​




      1. Fulgens corona​
        This is an encyclical by Pope Pius XII, written in 1953, on the Feast of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and proclaims a Marian year for 1954, to commemorate the centenary of the definition of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary.​



  1. 33. But where - as is the case in almost all dioceses, there exists a church in which the Virgin Mother of God is worshipped with more intense devotion, thither on stated days let pilgrims flock together in great numbers and publicly and in the open give glorious expression to their common Faith and their common love toward the Virgin Most Holy. ...​
    34. But let this holy city of Rome be the first to give the example, this city which from the earliest Christian era worshipped the heavenly mother, its patroness, with a special devotion. As all know, there are many sacred edifices here, in which she is proposed for the devotion of the Roman people; but the greatest without doubt is the Liberian Basilica [St. Mary Major], in which the mosaics of Our predecessor of pious memory, Sixtus III, still glisten, an outstanding monument to the Divine maternity of the Virgin Mary, and in which the "salvation of the Roman people" (Salus Populi Romani) benignly smiles.​
    Source:
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    FULGENS CORONA, Encyclical Of Pope PIUS XII, September 8th, 1953.​




  1. In his 1956 encyclical "Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus", Pius XII defines Mary's role in the redemption of mankind:​
    "By the will of God, the most Blessed Virgin Mary was INSEPARABLY JOINED WITH CHRIST IN ACCOMPLISHING THE WORK OF MAN’S REDEMPTION so that our salvation flows from the love of Jesus Christ and His sufferings, intimately UNITED with the love and sorrows of His Mother."​
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And where does it say Mary is above God?
Is the Queen above the King? Look at your own goofy monarchy in England
 
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This is a CHRISTIAN chat. There is such thing as a CATHOLIC chat and it's not here on this site. If people here are interested, they'll look for it.

Way to go, OP, you rock.




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This is a CHRISTIAN chat. There is such thing as a CATHOLIC chat and it's not here on this site. If people here are interested, they'll look for it.

Way to go, OP, you rock.




We Catholics are Christians. <<obviously NOT>>
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Let them ban me! You should be banned for the lies you tell!
 
mwc68 said:
None of you have convinced me its heresy and now you are all joining in on a lie that we put Mary above God! Once again produce one document from the Church that says Mary is above God? I have never been taught Mary is above God and i have been a Catholic for 46 yrs now. You people are liars! Its a shame you resort to this when i won't swallow your BS
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Your religion doesn't have to say it. Its followers speak it and defend it. Its leaders set the example for doing it. You are emulating idolators.
 
mwc68 said:
Exactly which teaching are you referring to? You people do some pretty weird stuff like teaching a rapture, totally unbiblical, osas again unbiblical and running around like gibbering fools, because some guy misinterpreted the verses on tongues. I have plenty beef with your heresies!
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1. Mary the Mother of God
2. Mary's Immaculate Conception
3. The Assumption of Mary
4. Mary as Co-Redemptrix
5. Mary as Co-Mediatrix, and Advocate
6. Mary as Perpetual Virgin

All the above are unbiblical, anti-biblical and antichrist doctrines of truly ignorant men.
 
mwc68 said:
Exactly which teaching are you referring to? You people do some pretty weird stuff like teaching a rapture, totally unbiblical, osas again unbiblical and running around like gibbering fools, because some guy misinterpreted the verses on tongues. I have plenty beef with your heresies!
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I really do not believe you know what is biblical and what isn't.
 
mwc68 said:
By the way, i have and do read my bible thank you. You misinterpretation of Thes. still amazes me. Clearly this is speaking of the Lord's Day! The Last Day! Not some silly rapture
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The catching away of the saints is the last day for the Church! Study, study, study! There are other "last days".
 
As i said before, I have been Catholic for 46 yrs and regularly attend Mass and try to attend as much as possible daily Mass. I have never witnessed the lies being told here about the Church. You people obviously have no idea what you are saying and just repeat the lies. This site should be called "Chistianity is what I say it is" You people are not interested in what real Catholicism is. You like the lies you've been taught
 
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