Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[valiant]

If the job was done "perfectly", surely the message would be clear.

The central message IS clear to all who have truly been born from above and have been indwelt by the Spirit. But I suspect that, like the Roman Catholic church, you misunderstand the purpose of the Scriptures. Their purpose is not in fact so that we can build up a huge doctrinal system, it is so that God can bring home His message personally to those who read them. 2 Tim 3.15-17 explain their purposes. To make us wise unto salvation, and to teach, rebuke and exhort us so that we become righteouscomplete and equipped for every good work.

Obviously it is not clear because sincere, genuine, educated seekers-after

-truth study the very same texts and come up with thousands of different doctrines and beliefs.

You see your problem? You have a totally wrong idea about the Scriptures. You seem to think that they are intended to makes us All have the same doctrines and belief. But that is not what Paul said. There are very few doctrine and beliefs that it is necessary to be 'right' on. These include the triunity of God, the fact that Jesus is both true God and true man, and is retuning to take home His own and judge the world, and that salvation is obtainable through the blood of His cross. Otherwise Scripture deals with individuals according to their need. It brings home to each individual what he at that time needs to have assurance on in his heart. And every individual is different, so each need different applications.

There will be no 'doctrinal test' when we meet God. The only question that will matter is, 'did you truly know the Lord Jesus Christ and trust Him alone for salvation, did you receive the Holy Spirit, did this result in righteousness within you?'

Apart from the above all our differing doctrines and beliefs will be irrelevant.

You only have to examine the very differing views of the early and later fathers to see that this is so. Doctrine was so diverse among them that if 'correct doctrine' had been what was required few would have been saved. Were the Arians who gathered at the Council of Nicea bearing the broken limbs, signs of torture and many scars obtained because of their testimony to Jesus Christ all lost? I don't personally think so. If their HEARTS were true to Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour I do not think that God would overpress niceties of doctrine on a subject not fully understood.

 

[KenAllan]

The Roman Catholic Church has no Authority to Interpret the Scriptures because they always misinterpret the Scriptures to support their UNWRITTEN traditions.

Example, the Holy Spirit clearly says everybody is a sinner that ONLY Jesus Christ was without sin, not Jesus Christ and Mary like the Roman Catholic Church teaches.

Romans 3:9-12
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."

Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Hebrews 4:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

Only Jesus Christ had no sin.

The Roman Catholic Church has no problem with calling the Holy Spirit a liar. The Roman Catholic Church has put themselves above the Holy Spirit by claiming only they have the Truth.

Also the Roman Catholic Church has put Mary ABOVE God claiming only by Mary being without sin that could keep Jesus Christ sinless. They are claiming only Mary had the power to keep Jesus sinless and God had no power to keep Jesus Christ sinless.

Do you see how the Roman Catholic Church has put Mary above God? Mary is the God of the Roman Catholic Church. Mary is the God that Roman Catholics pray to and Worship. Its all about Mary and what she can do for you, its not about God.

 

[mwc68]

The Roman Catholic Church has no Authority to Interpret the Scriptures because they always misinterpret the Scriptures to support their UNWRITTEN traditions.

Example, the Holy Spirit clearly says everybody is a sinner that ONLY Jesus Christ was without sin, not Jesus Christ and Mary like the Roman Catholic Church teaches.

Romans 3:9-12
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."

Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Hebrews 4:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

Only Jesus Christ had no sin.

The Roman Catholic Church has no problem with calling the Holy Spirit a liar. The Roman Catholic Church has put themselves above the Holy Spirit by claiming only they have the Truth.

Also the Roman Catholic Church has put Mary ABOVE God claiming only by Mary being without sin that could keep Jesus Christ sinless. They are claiming only Mary had the power to keep Jesus sinless and God had no power to keep Jesus Christ sinless.

Do you see how the Roman Catholic Church has put Mary above God? Mary is the God of the Roman Catholic Church. Mary is the God that Roman Catholics pray to and Worship. Its all about Mary and what she can do for you, its not about God.

No, the Catholic Church does not put Mary over God!!!!!You can keep posting this nonsense and its not going to make it true! You are a liar and deceiver!!!why do you call yourself Christian when all you do is lie?

 

[mwc68]

Can you produce any document from the Catholic Church that says Mary is above God? Any document, from the Catholic Church that states Mary is above God and this is doctrine? Can you please tell me where in the catachism of the Catholic Church it states Mary is above God? You sir are a liar!

 

[KenAllan]

The Doctrine of Mary being without sin proves the Roman Catholic Church puts Mary above God mwc68.

This doctrine states Mary HAD to be without sin to keep Jesus Christ sinless because being in a womb of a woman with sin would pass on the sin to the baby, who was Jesus Christ.

The Roman Catholic Church as says Mary's mother did not have to be sinless to keep Mary sinless.

Its interesting that Mary's mother did not have to be sinless but yet somehow God could not keep Jesus Christ sinless in the womb of a person who was a sinner.

This proves the Roman Catholic Church is saying Mary is more powerful than God because God NEEDED the help of Mary to keep Jesus Christ sinless.

The very fact that you mwc68 AND the Roman Catholic Church says Mary needed to be without sin to keep Jesus Christ from sin proves you and the Roman Catholic Church do put Mary above God.

 

[FancyNancy]

Can you produce any document from the Catholic Church that says Mary is above God? Any document, from the Catholic Church that states Mary is above God and this is doctrine? Can you please tell me where in the catachism of the Catholic Church it states Mary is above God? You sir are a liar!

One genuflection to a female image or icon that hints at being a depiction of Mary is placing her above God. Any whisper or murmur of prayer toward Mary or any saint for favour or to petition in place of asking God is placing God as second or below. It is the sin of idolatry, and catholics are not mindful or careful about this.

 

[Jeff_56]

you have responded to several different posters, some of whom posted inaccurate posts, some of whom posted accurate posts, in line with GOD'S WORD, including Scripture.

not one bit of that matters.

you have posted for a couple months, and you are still trusting the HERESY ABOMINATION.

nothing anyone posts, from yahweh, to yahshua, to an angel, to the apostles, to mary, to stephen,
nothing anyone posts CAN CHANGE RCC HERESY into TRUTH. not even GOD can change that.

the rcc has ALWAYS BEEN GOD'S ENEMY, and the destroyer of souls, always, ever since it started.

it has destroyed whatever real or true trust in God that you might have once had.

Jesus may heal you, if you let Him. Yahweh does as He pleases. So you can yet be saved.

but not if you trust in the rcc heresy abomination antichrist doctrines.

of all those you must repent, (if you want to be healed/saved).

Can you produce any document from the Catholic Church that says Mary is above God? Any document, from the Catholic Church that states Mary is above God and this is doctrine? Can you please tell me where in the catachism of the Catholic Church it states Mary is above God? You sir are a liar!

 

[KenAllan]

Mwc68 you still have not answered these questions mwc68.

Who do you put your trust in mwc68, God or the Roman Catholic Church?
Who do you follow mwc68, God or the Roman Catholic Church?
Who has all the Truth mwc68, the Holy Spirit or the Roman Catholic Church?
Who are you mwc68 looking to for your Salvation, God or the Roman Catholic Church?

 

[KenAllan]

Answer this mwc68, true or false, did Mary have to be without sin to keep Jesus Christ without sin?

And was Mary's mother a sinner or was she without sin mwc68?

The answer to all my questions will prove the Roman Catholic Church lies all the time mwc68.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The RCC teaches that the pope is the Vicar of Christ. That is the office of the Holy Spirit so it seems only natural that their vicar would be the source of their interpretation of scripture. The true church comprised of born again believers, the church founded on the blood of Jesus Christ, sources their interpretation from the Holy Spirit the only Vicar of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

There own interpretations have changed some when a new pope takes office. This alone should prove infallibility, but they refuse to see, because they are brainwashed from children what to believe.

 

[mwc68]

you have responded to several different posters, some of whom posted inaccurate posts, some of whom posted accurate posts, in line with GOD'S WORD, including Scripture.

not one bit of that matters.

you have posted for a couple months, and you are still trusting the HERESY ABOMINATION.

nothing anyone posts, from yahweh, to yahshua, to an angel, to the apostles, to mary, to stephen,
nothing anyone posts CAN CHANGE RCC HERESY into TRUTH. not even GOD can change that.

the rcc has ALWAYS BEEN GOD'S ENEMY, and the destroyer of souls, always, ever since it started.

it has destroyed whatever real or true trust in God that you might have once had.

Jesus may heal you, if you let Him. Yahweh does as He pleases. So you can yet be saved.

but not if you trust in the rcc heresy abomination antichrist doctrines.

of all those you must repent, (if you want to be healed/saved).

None of you have convinced me its heresy and now you are all joining in on a lie that we put Mary above God! Once again produce one document from the Church that says Mary is above God? I have never been taught Mary is above God and i have been a Catholic for 46 yrs now. You people are liars! Its a shame you resort to this when i won't swallow your BS

 

[KenAllan]

The very fact the Roman Catholic Church teaches Doctrines about Mary that are the opposite of what the Holy Spirit says mwc68 proves that you and the Roman Catholic Church puts Mary above God.

Be careful of what you teach mwc68, for you are not fighting against me, you and the Roman Catholic Church are fighting against God Himself. You are fighting against the Truth from God by teaching the lies of the Roman Catholic Church as truths from God.

This is not doing the Will of the Father mwc68, this is actually doing the will of Satan. Be very careful for if you keep this up mwc68 God may remove you early from this World.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Doctrine of Mary being without sin proves the Roman Catholic Church puts Mary above God mwc68.

This doctrine states Mary HAD to be without sin to keep Jesus Christ sinless because being in a womb of a woman with sin would pass on the sin to the baby, who was Jesus Christ.

The Roman Catholic Church as says Mary's mother did not have to be sinless to keep Mary sinless.

Its interesting that Mary's mother did not have to be sinless but yet somehow God could not keep Jesus Christ sinless in the womb of a person who was a sinner.

This proves the Roman Catholic Church is saying Mary is more powerful than God because God NEEDED the help of Mary to keep Jesus Christ sinless.

The very fact that you mwc68 AND the Roman Catholic Church says Mary needed to be without sin to keep Jesus Christ from sin proves you and the Roman Catholic Church do put Mary above God.

makes ya wonder why mary did not die for our sins. If all that was needed was sinless perfection to fulfill the law. Mary could have died, Jesus could have stayed in heaven.

They just do not think. again, I believe it is because they were taught as a child. You can teach a child 2 + 2 = 5 and give all the reasons why, When they get older. No one will prove to them 2 + 2 is really 4. because it is all they know, and their hearts are hardened to see what is really true.

 

[KenAllan]

The very document that says Mary was without sin puts Mary above God mwc68.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

None of you have convinced me its heresy and now you are all joining in on a lie that we put Mary above God! Once again produce one document from the Church that says Mary is above God? I have never been taught Mary is above God and i have been a Catholic for 46 yrs now. You people are liars! Its a shame you resort to this when i won't swallow your BS

You do hold her as equal to God. No matter what your church says, she is your version of the "queen of heaven" which comes directly from paganism.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The very document that says Mary was without sin puts Mary above God mwc68.

I would rephrase it to be equal with God.

But without sin does not mean she is equal Adam and ever were without sin for many years most likely, and if they never sinned, would still be without sin, yet would still be below God in all areas.

 

[Jeff_56]

So whenever you sin, you're suppose to have Mass? Just wondering.

ick ick ick ..... 'mass' in the rcc is totally completely utterly demonic and deceptive and an abomination. it is irretrievably EVILNESS at its core and throughout its being and essence.

so if they sin then go to mass, they multiply their sin over a million times a million worse. (in losing their souls for eternity)

 

[mwc68]

ick ick ick ..... 'mass' in the rcc is totally completely utterly demonic and deceptive and an abomination. it is irretrievably EVILNESS at its core and throughout its being and essence.

so if they sin then go to mass, they multiply their sin over a million times a million worse. (in losing their souls for eternity)

You sir, have never had a clue what your talking about. Just look at the ignorance of you post above. Mass and confession are two very different sacraments! Mary is not above or equal to God! And ya'll think I'm hard headed? Lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You sir, have never had a clue what your talking about. Just look at the ignorance of you post above. Mass and confession are two very different sacraments! Mary is not above or equal to God! And ya'll think I'm hard headed? Lol

your right she is not. Yet you can deny it all you want, You believe she is. As they say Actions speak louder than words. and your actions and teachings do not match up with what you claim.

 

[mwc68]

your right she is not. Yet you can deny it all you want, You believe she is. As they say Actions speak louder than words. and your actions and teachings do not match up with what you claim.

Exactly which teaching are you referring to? You people do some pretty weird stuff like teaching a rapture, totally unbiblical, osas again unbiblical and running around like gibbering fools, because some guy misinterpreted the verses on tongues. I have plenty beef with your heresies!