"It is finished." What is the "it?"
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Where online is a hebrew/english interlinear?
The ones I find,translate english into hebrew.I am looking for the opposite format.
"Ze nigmar" can mean several things,but the translators,as far as i can tell,"winged it" with the "finished" option instead of the "completed","Over","done",options which make more sense looking through the "priest" prism which 100% of the members here are oblivious to.
The priestly work that Jesus did at passover,as the perfect sacrifice as well as the NEW HIGH PRIEST,from the tribe of Judah,is the center and backdrop of the events on the cross.But also BEFORE AND AFTER the cross.
"Finished",creates confusion as to what we are looking at
The ones I find,translate english into hebrew.I am looking for the opposite format.
"Ze nigmar" can mean several things,but the translators,as far as i can tell,"winged it" with the "finished" option instead of the "completed","Over","done",options which make more sense looking through the "priest" prism which 100% of the members here are oblivious to.
The priestly work that Jesus did at passover,as the perfect sacrifice as well as the NEW HIGH PRIEST,from the tribe of Judah,is the center and backdrop of the events on the cross.But also BEFORE AND AFTER the cross.
"Finished",creates confusion as to what we are looking at
K
Yes which is why we have a dangerous false gospel being taught out there that eliminates all the teachings that the Lord gave in the gospel books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. They say that His crucifixion eliminated all of that as well, and not valid for us to follow. It amazes me how many people say repentance, baptism, confession, and forgiveness is not needed in the faith of Christ unto salvation.
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That whole born again concept is perverted
When the sins of the world were heaped on Jesus,they could not "stick" because HE WAS GUILTY OF NOTHING.
Seems to me that doctrine after doctrine here is "played out" from a mental starting place rather that a "heavens" starting place.
By the time ya'll get cranked up to mega snowball mode it gets wilder and wilder.
The crescendo coming by misquoting,trashing,bashing,lamooning,and mocking WOF,when WOF has zero to do with anything.
When the sins of the world were heaped on Jesus,they could not "stick" because HE WAS GUILTY OF NOTHING.
Seems to me that doctrine after doctrine here is "played out" from a mental starting place rather that a "heavens" starting place.
By the time ya'll get cranked up to mega snowball mode it gets wilder and wilder.
The crescendo coming by misquoting,trashing,bashing,lamooning,and mocking WOF,when WOF has zero to do with anything.
K
Because they will walk in the fruits of the Spirit.
Remember the bible says no condemnation for those in Christ that walk by the Spirit and not by the flesh. A person who is a believer can still give into their fleshly desires as Paul and James shows in Romans 6:23 and James 1:15. Jesus died for all sins, but He says how we receive that remission through His word, and nowhere does it say it is automatically done at the crucifixion. If that was the case then all humankind will be forgiven and saved, but that is not the case as only those who believe in the Lord and follow Him (teachings) receive that remission.........
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There is lots of things we all have wrong.
I would say your point of view is valid with maybe a few checks,and validations/clarifications inserted here and there.
BUT THAT IS TRUE OF ALL THAT WE CLAIM AND SAY.
You are probably getting a bum rap in the hyper criticism and piling on you recieve here.(i can not say for sure,as i have not put you under any microscope)
I would say your point of view is valid with maybe a few checks,and validations/clarifications inserted here and there.
BUT THAT IS TRUE OF ALL THAT WE CLAIM AND SAY.
You are probably getting a bum rap in the hyper criticism and piling on you recieve here.(i can not say for sure,as i have not put you under any microscope)
K
Yes there are a few here that jump on me for what I say, and some even use belittling and condemning remarks even though all I do is defend what the Lord Jesus said in the gospel books. His teachings and commands He gave were the milk of the word to be obeyed, and He even told the Apostles He had much more to say to them but they could not handle it yet. He said that to them because they still struggled in accepting what He told them so far to do, and then followed it up with the Holy Spirit will reveal the rest, which was done by Him through the Apostle Paul......
So my question would be how can one accept what Paul said if they are taught and lead they don't have to follow what the Lord said? I will have debates with anybody that says or shows in their responses His teachings not needed....
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Kenneth, I realize the doctrine that I believe in is difficult for most to understand, but I do believe it was not accepted by the majority when Christ preached it. Perish mean "loss" and in several scriptures perish means loosing your fellowship with God, not your eternal salvation. I struggled many years trying to get all of the scriptures to harmonize without any success until I denied myself, in trusting my own intellect to understand. I believe, like all who are on this forum, that I have, only by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, an understanding of the scriptures where they do not contradict each other. "many are called, but few chosen" - Many that are called, being those that were chosen before the foundation of the world, Eph 1, and those that Christ died for, John 6:39. "few chosen", being those who are shown, by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, the doctrine that Jesus taught. Talking about the two gates, The ones that go in the Wide gate and broad way, are God's born again children who are called and are preaching a false doctrine, and those few that are chosen are the ones that go in the strait gate who the Holy Spirit has revealed the doctrine of Christ to, which leads them to that good and peaceful life that God grants to those who believe Christ's doctrine and follow his commandments.
K
It is not hard to understand where you come from, but perish in the repentance of sins does not mean loosing your fellowship with God and not loosing salvation. The reason being is a person does not have salvation yet, so they can not loose what they do not have. Peter and Paul both show in many statements that salvation/eternal life is the ending result of our faith and not a beginning possession. Apostle Paul says quite a few times we have to continue in, keep ourselves in, stay firm in, and hold unto the assurance of salvation through faith.
P
Osas is doctrine,but partial doctrine,kneaded and baked into a cake that unfit for heaven's table.
Predestination is the same.
Their main error is omision and the "my way or the highway" white knuckle grip on what can only be God's judgement call,or God's property.
"some are saved as through fire.Their works are burned up...."
Osas is true. Osas is not true.
See that? I can say both.
Predestination is true. Predestination is false
See that? I can say both.
God is not in the business of getting our take on his property......his word
Predestination is the same.
Their main error is omision and the "my way or the highway" white knuckle grip on what can only be God's judgement call,or God's property.
"some are saved as through fire.Their works are burned up...."
Osas is true. Osas is not true.
See that? I can say both.
Predestination is true. Predestination is false
See that? I can say both.
God is not in the business of getting our take on his property......his word
Ken,
Is all that supposed to mean something?
You claimed that Psalm 22 was about public response to adversity.
I asked you to show where you got that from through a verse by verse analysis of the Psalm.
I indicated that I and many others were ready to call you on exotic translations.
HOW DOES YOUR POST RELATE TO MINE? or DID YOU INTEND IT TO?
Is all that supposed to mean something?
You claimed that Psalm 22 was about public response to adversity.
I asked you to show where you got that from through a verse by verse analysis of the Psalm.
I indicated that I and many others were ready to call you on exotic translations.
HOW DOES YOUR POST RELATE TO MINE? or DID YOU INTEND IT TO?
What is "it"?
The answer is this...
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
The answer is right there in the Bible for all to see. Is it wise to ignore and replace such an answer with something else?
The answer is this...
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Heb 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
The answer is right there in the Bible for all to see. Is it wise to ignore and replace such an answer with something else?
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Uh,you have presented exactly half of the picture. You left jesus on the cross....as "finished"
Now let us take a 'copter ride to a better perspective,namely where heaven takes us above the "finished" confusion;
From your same chapter;
6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
See that? That word 'finished" has you wondering around the holy place,and rejecting the FINISHED work of the priest.....THE HOH.
You have half a gospel. He ain't on that cross my friend.He was not even close to "FINISHED" when he cried "Ze nigmar"
Now let us take a 'copter ride to a better perspective,namely where heaven takes us above the "finished" confusion;
From your same chapter;
6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
See that? That word 'finished" has you wondering around the holy place,and rejecting the FINISHED work of the priest.....THE HOH.
You have half a gospel. He ain't on that cross my friend.He was not even close to "FINISHED" when he cried "Ze nigmar"
K
Well I do not know where you are going with this, as it seems we are going around in circles because I already explained how Psalm 22 was both a picture of the crucifixion and showing a sign of sympathy on how we ourselves deal in hard/bad situations. As David showed in this Psalm, where he said why are you so far from helping me and then later in verses 19-21 He is pleading for help, deliverance, and to be saved. Which is the same thing people do in our real life bad situations, on questioning how He could have abandoned us as shown in verse 1. Then continuing to plead for help to bring us out of these situations. This plays right with what was said in Hebrews 4 and how He sympathizes with us......