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[h=1]Galatians 3:22-27[/h]22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
The bible says that we look back at the cross, not back at the law because the law of written ordinances has been blotted out. Why should I or others worry about what the law said on how somebody was forgiven of sins when our forgiveness does not come from animal sacrifices. Our forgiveness comes through His personal sacrifice on the cross. Why do you want to push knowing about the animal sacrifices when they don't apply to us.
It showed us our sins, and the need for a Savior because the animal sacrifices did not truly forgive them of their sins.
Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
and you know why I agree with that statement if it were possible beyond 100%
Because I was a believer my entire life, but was lied to by every preacher I ever met. I was told your saved, and yet I did vile sinful things constantly, and then years later, Yahweh chastened me. Im thankful to Yahweh that He connected to me, but im, IDK if angry or hurt, im not sure, but bothered by the fact that no fellow humans ever said, hey your not supposed to be doing that according to Scripture. How can I let my bother fall into a pit... think about a little sheep falling into a pit and breaking his sheep leg.... how much more a human.....
Because I was a believer my entire life, but was lied to by every preacher I ever met. I was told your saved, and yet I did vile sinful things constantly, and then years later, Yahweh chastened me. Im thankful to Yahweh that He connected to me, but im, IDK if angry or hurt, im not sure, but bothered by the fact that no fellow humans ever said, hey your not supposed to be doing that according to Scripture. How can I let my bother fall into a pit... think about a little sheep falling into a pit and breaking his sheep leg.... how much more a human.....
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it is one thing to say Gods grace is sufficient, and if your saved your still saved (if your really saved at all)
it is a far other thing to not show in scripture why it is wrong, and seek to get to the point of why your struggling with that sin.
We all have sin issues. Some sins are worse that others. and need stronger discipline. but we all have our besetting sins, if we say we do not. we are lying to ourselves.
it is a far other thing to not show in scripture why it is wrong, and seek to get to the point of why your struggling with that sin.
We all have sin issues. Some sins are worse that others. and need stronger discipline. but we all have our besetting sins, if we say we do not. we are lying to ourselves.
I agree 100%
so....
ok lol
you said, " Correct? Please don't say " I will answer this if....." LOL "
Man I let the me me me overtake on that one, so I started to answer that question, but I was thinking , man its going to take a lot of typing to answer the whole chapter, paused, *thinking*, *thinking*, no im going in different direction same principle but less typing...eek, I know I should have, just saying sincere intention.
so....ok lol
you said, " Correct? Please don't say " I will answer this if....." LOL "
Man I let the me me me overtake on that one, so I started to answer that question, but I was thinking , man its going to take a lot of typing to answer the whole chapter, paused, *thinking*, *thinking*, no im going in different direction same principle but less typing...eek, I know I should have, just saying sincere intention.
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QUESTION: Do you all here really think we are divided that much on what we are saying over and over?
Do we agree that works alone cannot save us?
Do we believe that Jesus paid the price for sin?
Do we beleive that when we confess our sins he is faithful to forgive them?
One MORE question.... The word does say that he who says he has no sin is deceived. So, we all have sin or a sin nature within. Do we beleive this is covered by the Blood. Not an excuse to sin but is it covered? Is a so called back slidden Christian going to hell?
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. [/TD]
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Do we agree that works alone cannot save us?
Do we believe that Jesus paid the price for sin?
Do we beleive that when we confess our sins he is faithful to forgive them?
One MORE question.... The word does say that he who says he has no sin is deceived. So, we all have sin or a sin nature within. Do we beleive this is covered by the Blood. Not an excuse to sin but is it covered? Is a so called back slidden Christian going to hell?
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[TD="class: td_bible_verse_heading, width: 68, align: left"]1Co 5:5[/TD]
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. [/TD]
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OK, ahh so I think I can make you guys understand me a bit more.
SO, im sinful I know I am, it does not control me, but yes I do error at times.
But for me, nobody but me, IMO, in my vision, and I know that means nothing it is His way.
But in my mind, even if He came down right now and said, "you are going to the kingdom" or even if He said, "you are not going to the kingdom" I would, I believe I would still seek the same things I do now. Still promote righteousness, and still seek to share and learn. In my heart I am bothered by the world, I will just say that. Until the world changes, I think the overwhelming sin (overflowing cup of babylon) will always bother me, .... me, former super heathen, brought out of the fire by Yah. praise Yah. I want to thank Him by doing what He says, I know im weak, but I still seek Him.
SO, im sinful I know I am, it does not control me, but yes I do error at times.
But for me, nobody but me, IMO, in my vision, and I know that means nothing it is His way.
But in my mind, even if He came down right now and said, "you are going to the kingdom" or even if He said, "you are not going to the kingdom" I would, I believe I would still seek the same things I do now. Still promote righteousness, and still seek to share and learn. In my heart I am bothered by the world, I will just say that. Until the world changes, I think the overwhelming sin (overflowing cup of babylon) will always bother me, .... me, former super heathen, brought out of the fire by Yah. praise Yah. I want to thank Him by doing what He says, I know im weak, but I still seek Him.
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FAITH comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God
Faith is the substance of things HOPED for. the evidence of things not seen.
In the HOPE of eternal life, which God, who can not lie, promised before time began.
If I do not HAVE eternal life. I have no hope.
If I have no hope. I can not have any faith.
If I have no faith. I am dead.
Faith is the substance of things HOPED for. the evidence of things not seen.
In the HOPE of eternal life, which God, who can not lie, promised before time began.
If I do not HAVE eternal life. I have no hope.
If I have no hope. I can not have any faith.
If I have no faith. I am dead.
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Once again you make false claims toward me showing that you do not even actually read what I say.
I once again have never said that I am trying to be saved by the law, and I have always that is always said the mosaic laws have been blotted out.
What I have been saying all along is that us who are in Christ follow God's moral laws that are written in our hearts because we love Him and what He did for us.
So I would please ask again for you to stop making false assumptions toward me. I do not follow the mosaic laws, nor do I push them on others to follow. What I do say is that a person who is truly in Christ will obey to follow God's moral laws that He has written in our hearts. And if you think Lord Jesus only gave two commands then you have missed the part where He says that those who love Him will obey all that He taught, not just parts. This means love, repentance, confession, forgiveness, baptism, and producing good fruit/deeds are all things a believer will do. You can not cancel any of those out and say you believe in Him.
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the more i grow. the more i learn about love.
the more I love, the more I see when I am focused on self.
the more I see this, the more sinful I realize I am, and how utterly sinful I was. and sometimes still am.
this keeps me running the race. and keeps me focused on Christ and not on myself. because as a child. I realise just how helpless I am.
the more I love, the more I see when I am focused on self.
the more I see this, the more sinful I realize I am, and how utterly sinful I was. and sometimes still am.
this keeps me running the race. and keeps me focused on Christ and not on myself. because as a child. I realise just how helpless I am.
I personally agree with those points, but on the going to hell thing I can not say, He is the judge.
I guess my thing is this.
Im not putting this on any here, just saying:
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Messiah blood = I have great mercy! If I do anything sinful and pagan its justified because He died.
Messiah blood = I have great mercy! I do not want to do anything that is against Him.
I want to count His blood as a righteous guide, not as a way to continue in the world.
Romans 2:4-12, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”
1 Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in Yahweh, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in Yahweh."
I guess my thing is this.
Im not putting this on any here, just saying:
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Messiah blood = I have great mercy! If I do anything sinful and pagan its justified because He died.
Messiah blood = I have great mercy! I do not want to do anything that is against Him.
I want to count His blood as a righteous guide, not as a way to continue in the world.
Romans 2:4-12, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, forbearance, and longsuffering; not realizing that Yahweh’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But according to your stubborn and impenitent mind you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of Yahweh’s wrath, when the righteous judgment of Yahweh will be revealed; when He will reward each one according to his works: to the ones on the one hand, who, by patient persistence in doing righteousness, seek for glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But to the ones on the other hand, who are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, He will give indignation and wrath.” Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man who does evil: to the Yahdai(Jew) first, and also to the Greek (Gentile) But glory, honor, and peace to every man who works righteousness: to the Yahdai first, and also to the Greek. For there is no respect of persons with Yahweh.For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”
1 Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in Yahweh, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in Yahweh."
you seem to take pleasure in misunderstanding scripture...Christ came not only to forgive but to take away sins...that is why one's sins are remitted through repentance and baptism....not just forgiven but taken away...that is what gives us a clear conscience
Hebrews 10:4
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:11
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
1 John 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Romans 11:27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Jesus Christ is the sacrifice that takes away sins...sins committed after the remission of sins must be confessed and repented of
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Hebrews 10:4
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 10:11
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
1 John 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Romans 11:27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Jesus Christ is the sacrifice that takes away sins...sins committed after the remission of sins must be confessed and repented of
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
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Dude, again why do I even bother.
it is obvious you do not even read a word I write.
There are two parts to the law.
the problem (moral law) which proves we are sinners.
The solution (sacrificial law) which shows us how to be saved.
You do not have the problem down, because you evidently do not think your sin is that sinful.
and you do not have the solution down at all. because your still trying to save yourself.
there is law, and there is grace, if your not saved by grace, your trying to be saved by law.
You can deny it a million times, it does not matter, this is what the word says,
and I chose to trust the word. not any man.
it is obvious you do not even read a word I write.
There are two parts to the law.
the problem (moral law) which proves we are sinners.
The solution (sacrificial law) which shows us how to be saved.
You do not have the problem down, because you evidently do not think your sin is that sinful.
and you do not have the solution down at all. because your still trying to save yourself.
there is law, and there is grace, if your not saved by grace, your trying to be saved by law.
You can deny it a million times, it does not matter, this is what the word says,
and I chose to trust the word. not any man.
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7 But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. 8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning. 9 This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. 10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.
11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here,[a] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus OBTAINING ETERNAL REDEMPTION. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[c] so that we may serve the living God!
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here,[a] he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus OBTAINING ETERNAL REDEMPTION. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[c] so that we may serve the living God!
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
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Once again you are still making false claims about me as you do not know me or where my heart is.
I know how to be saved, and I have repented of my sins and confess the ones that I commit when I commit them as the scriptures say we are to do to receive forgiveness of them. I don not have to refer back to the animal sacrifices for they did nothing for me. The sacrifice that was done for us is our Lord's personal sacrifice, and with that He did give us things that showed what a believer in Him would do. And I am not going to sit back and deny those things because the Holy Spirit that is in me and guiding me will not let me deny those things.
What I deny is somebody trying to tell me I am earning salvation by the mosaic law, that I don't even follow.
I follow God's moral laws that is written in my heart, in which the Holy Spirit guides me in and strengthens me in areas that I am still weak in. You have no right to judge me like you do, and to say these things that are not true of me.