Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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Please feel free to demonstrate my error from scripture. Call me silly but I'm not likely to take your word for it.
Just in case you are not aware I hold the word of God in high esteem. Higher than any catholic tradition, rite, ritual or superstition. God seems to place a very high value on His word when He declared that heaven and earth would pass away but not one jot or tittle would pass from the word of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Just in case you are not aware I hold the word of God in high esteem. Higher than any catholic tradition, rite, ritual or superstition. God seems to place a very high value on His word when He declared that heaven and earth would pass away but not one jot or tittle would pass from the word of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
But if you trust that we are saved by the work of Christ alone, and nothing else, then you will believe that nothing else is required, and you will let go of everything you currently cling to, and instead cling to Christ who did it all on the cross. This means letting go of all the things you've been told are required by your church, like the sacraments, Eucharist, etc, the things which are not required by Christ for salvation.
Here's an example - if someone tells me to not drive around a bend because there's a steep drop at the end of it that will kill me, I can either believe what they say or not. I can say I believe but then do the drive (evidence I don't really believe them) and then suffer the consequences. Or I can believe them and not do the drive. How I respond will show whether I believe them or not. It's the same way with Catholics - they tell me all the time that they believe in the finished work of Christ, but yet they cling to other things for their salvation, so in doing this they are rejecting His finished work. We are saved by grace through faith alone in Christ's work alone, and nothing else. It's a free gift offered to us (not earnt by us) and we have to accept it.
You don't know me, but I went to a convent school as a child, my family used to be Catholics, I know a lot of people that are catholics, I've been to Catholic churches in the past, I've researched the teachings and heard them directly from the mouths of priests, and I can say with all that I know that I don't agree with the Catholic church's view on salvation and everything else.
I think you're confusing the non salvational differences that exist among various denominations (for example, the timing of the rapture etc). Non salvational differences are just that - non salvational, and this is where there is division for the most part. All who are born of the Spirit are part of the church, the body of Christ, and agree on salvational matters. The main divide is concerning salvation and as an example of this divide you have the Catholic church and bible churches, two opposing sides.
Salvation is the most important one to get right. There are only TWO opposing sides, not hundreds as you think. If you don't believe me on that, look at the scriptures that speak of the two ways - the narrow road and broad road, the wheat and the tares, the sheep and goats... 2 sides, one is the correct way heading for heaven and the other is heading for hell.
I just wish that Catholics would read the scriptures and not allow their religion to influence the interpretation. Read what it actually says and accept it rather than using the scriptures to support said religion. You have to forget all influences around you and read what the scriptures say.
1 Cor 2:14: "But the natural (unsaved) man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"
- please understand also that the gospel can be understood by all, but the bible is a spiritual book and is discerned through the Spirit. Unless one is born of the spirit they cannot understand the things of God.
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Here's an example - if someone tells me to not drive around a bend because there's a steep drop at the end of it that will kill me, I can either believe what they say or not. I can say I believe but then do the drive (evidence I don't really believe them) and then suffer the consequences. Or I can believe them and not do the drive. How I respond will show whether I believe them or not. It's the same way with Catholics - they tell me all the time that they believe in the finished work of Christ, but yet they cling to other things for their salvation, so in doing this they are rejecting His finished work. We are saved by grace through faith alone in Christ's work alone, and nothing else. It's a free gift offered to us (not earnt by us) and we have to accept it.
You don't know me, but I went to a convent school as a child, my family used to be Catholics, I know a lot of people that are catholics, I've been to Catholic churches in the past, I've researched the teachings and heard them directly from the mouths of priests, and I can say with all that I know that I don't agree with the Catholic church's view on salvation and everything else.
I think you're confusing the non salvational differences that exist among various denominations (for example, the timing of the rapture etc). Non salvational differences are just that - non salvational, and this is where there is division for the most part. All who are born of the Spirit are part of the church, the body of Christ, and agree on salvational matters. The main divide is concerning salvation and as an example of this divide you have the Catholic church and bible churches, two opposing sides.
Salvation is the most important one to get right. There are only TWO opposing sides, not hundreds as you think. If you don't believe me on that, look at the scriptures that speak of the two ways - the narrow road and broad road, the wheat and the tares, the sheep and goats... 2 sides, one is the correct way heading for heaven and the other is heading for hell.
I just wish that Catholics would read the scriptures and not allow their religion to influence the interpretation. Read what it actually says and accept it rather than using the scriptures to support said religion. You have to forget all influences around you and read what the scriptures say.
1 Cor 2:14: "But the natural (unsaved) man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"
- please understand also that the gospel can be understood by all, but the bible is a spiritual book and is discerned through the Spirit. Unless one is born of the spirit they cannot understand the things of God.
Link --> Preparing Catholics for Eternity by Mike Gendron | 9780971700932 | Paperback | Barnes & Noble
- if you want this book, I can buy it for you if you add to your wishlist. Email me.
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Lol. Wrong. I read the document myself. For some reason, you continue to make false assertions about what I do and don't do rather than simply ask. Here's what that looks like:
kepha: "Age, did you read the document or did you rely on 'media that distorts the facts.'"
Ageofknowledge: "Thanks for asking. No, I didn't rely on the media 'that distorts the facts' but rather read the document for myself. Of course, I wanted to see what other people thought of it and read their comments as well which did include Pat's comments."
Now that wasn't so difficult kepha was it? But you don't do that. What YOU DO is put your words in other people's mouths to get the narrative that's already in your head. That's disingenuous, closed minded, and as it happens with disturbing consistency; a personal flaw of yours.
Now let's have you qualify your assertion that all "questionable paragraphs have been dropped." Please prove this assertion of yours.
If you cannot provide empirical documentation that the report currently posted at the Vatican's press website as of 10.13.2014 has been superseded with another report on 10.18.2014 in which all "questionable paragraphs have been dropped," as per your post then I'm going to call your assertion what it is: a false assertion.
As it's 10.24.2014, this shouldn't be a problem for you to produce as per your statement that a final report omitting all "questionable paragraphs" has already been "issued."
And for the benefit of other readers, the post kepha falsely labeled "psychotic hate speech" is here: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/41911-catholic-heresy-record-95.html#post1738577 and the "Synod14 - Eleventh General Assembly: 'Relatio post disceptationem" of the General Rapporteur, Card. Péter Erdő, 13.10.2014'' posted Vatican's press website itself is here: Synod14 - Eleventh General Assembly: "Relatio post disceptationem" of the General Rapporteur, Card. Péter Erdő
Obviously, to anyone that is not as spiritually blind and intellectually challenged as kepha, Synod 14 is is a clear and direct step into the apostate acceptance of not just sinners but their sweeping immoral "lifestyles" within the RCC.
And just to provide some historical context for the readers, the extraordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops has only been held two other times in the history of the Roman Catholic Church. As of October 2014, there have been three such assemblies in the entire history of the RCC. They occurred in 1969, 1985 and 2014. This is not a trivial issue or event in the slightest with respect to the event or the content.
kepha: "Age, did you read the document or did you rely on 'media that distorts the facts.'"
Ageofknowledge: "Thanks for asking. No, I didn't rely on the media 'that distorts the facts' but rather read the document for myself. Of course, I wanted to see what other people thought of it and read their comments as well which did include Pat's comments."
Now that wasn't so difficult kepha was it? But you don't do that. What YOU DO is put your words in other people's mouths to get the narrative that's already in your head. That's disingenuous, closed minded, and as it happens with disturbing consistency; a personal flaw of yours.
Now let's have you qualify your assertion that all "questionable paragraphs have been dropped." Please prove this assertion of yours.
If you cannot provide empirical documentation that the report currently posted at the Vatican's press website as of 10.13.2014 has been superseded with another report on 10.18.2014 in which all "questionable paragraphs have been dropped," as per your post then I'm going to call your assertion what it is: a false assertion.
As it's 10.24.2014, this shouldn't be a problem for you to produce as per your statement that a final report omitting all "questionable paragraphs" has already been "issued."
And for the benefit of other readers, the post kepha falsely labeled "psychotic hate speech" is here: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/41911-catholic-heresy-record-95.html#post1738577 and the "Synod14 - Eleventh General Assembly: 'Relatio post disceptationem" of the General Rapporteur, Card. Péter Erdő, 13.10.2014'' posted Vatican's press website itself is here: Synod14 - Eleventh General Assembly: "Relatio post disceptationem" of the General Rapporteur, Card. Péter Erdő
Obviously, to anyone that is not as spiritually blind and intellectually challenged as kepha, Synod 14 is is a clear and direct step into the apostate acceptance of not just sinners but their sweeping immoral "lifestyles" within the RCC.
And just to provide some historical context for the readers, the extraordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops has only been held two other times in the history of the Roman Catholic Church. As of October 2014, there have been three such assemblies in the entire history of the RCC. They occurred in 1969, 1985 and 2014. This is not a trivial issue or event in the slightest with respect to the event or the content.
Is that mean Catholic accept Homosexual person as his member?
Providing for homosexual persons
50. Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community. Are we capable of providing for these people, guaranteeing [...] them [...] a place of fellowship in our communities? Oftentimes, they want to encounter a Church which offers them a welcoming home. Are our communities capable of this, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?
51. The question of homosexuality requires serious reflection on how to devise realistic approaches to affective growth, human development and maturation in the Gospel, while integrating the sexual aspect, all of which constitute an important educative challenge. Moreover, the Church affirms that unions between people of the same sex cannot be considered on the same level as marriage between man and woman. Nor is it acceptable that the pastor’s outlook be pressured or that international bodies make financial aid dependent on the introduction of regulations based on gender ideology.
52. Without denying the moral problems associated with homosexual unions, there are instances where mutual assistance to the point of sacrifice is a valuable support in the life of these persons. Furthermore, the Church pays special attention to [...] children who live with same-sex couples and stresses that the needs and rights of the little ones must always be given priority.
The transmission of life and the challenge of the declining birthrate
53. Today, the diffusion of a mentality which reduces the generation of life to accommodate an individual’s or couple’s plans is easily observable. Sometimes, economic factors are burdensome, contributing to a sharp drop in the birthrate which weakens the social fabric, thus compromising relations between generations and rendering a future outlook less certain. Openness to life is an intrinsic requirement of married love.
54. Realistic language is probably also needed in this instance, language which knows how to start by listening to people and acknowledging the beauty and truth of an unconditional openness to life as that which human life needs to live life fully. This serves as the basis for an appropriate teaching regarding the natural methods of human reproduction, which allow a couple to live in a harmonious and conscious manner the communication between husband and wife, in all its aspects, along with their responsibility at procreating life. In this regard, we should return to the message of the Encyclical Humanae Vitae of Pope Paul VI, which highlights the need to respect the dignity of the person in the moral evaluation of the methods of regulating births.
55. Affectivity needs assistance, also in marriage, as a path to maturity in the ever deepening acceptance of the other and an ever-fuller gift of self. This necessitates offering programmes of formation which nourish married life and the importance of the laity providing an accompaniment consisting of a lived testimony. Undoubtedly, the example of the faithful is of great assistance, as well as their profound love shown in their tenderness, and respect which is capable of growing over time and, in opening itself to the generation of life, creates an experience of a mystery that transcends us.
Providing for homosexual persons
50. Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community. Are we capable of providing for these people, guaranteeing [...] them [...] a place of fellowship in our communities? Oftentimes, they want to encounter a Church which offers them a welcoming home. Are our communities capable of this, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?
51. The question of homosexuality requires serious reflection on how to devise realistic approaches to affective growth, human development and maturation in the Gospel, while integrating the sexual aspect, all of which constitute an important educative challenge. Moreover, the Church affirms that unions between people of the same sex cannot be considered on the same level as marriage between man and woman. Nor is it acceptable that the pastor’s outlook be pressured or that international bodies make financial aid dependent on the introduction of regulations based on gender ideology.
52. Without denying the moral problems associated with homosexual unions, there are instances where mutual assistance to the point of sacrifice is a valuable support in the life of these persons. Furthermore, the Church pays special attention to [...] children who live with same-sex couples and stresses that the needs and rights of the little ones must always be given priority.
The transmission of life and the challenge of the declining birthrate
53. Today, the diffusion of a mentality which reduces the generation of life to accommodate an individual’s or couple’s plans is easily observable. Sometimes, economic factors are burdensome, contributing to a sharp drop in the birthrate which weakens the social fabric, thus compromising relations between generations and rendering a future outlook less certain. Openness to life is an intrinsic requirement of married love.
54. Realistic language is probably also needed in this instance, language which knows how to start by listening to people and acknowledging the beauty and truth of an unconditional openness to life as that which human life needs to live life fully. This serves as the basis for an appropriate teaching regarding the natural methods of human reproduction, which allow a couple to live in a harmonious and conscious manner the communication between husband and wife, in all its aspects, along with their responsibility at procreating life. In this regard, we should return to the message of the Encyclical Humanae Vitae of Pope Paul VI, which highlights the need to respect the dignity of the person in the moral evaluation of the methods of regulating births.
55. Affectivity needs assistance, also in marriage, as a path to maturity in the ever deepening acceptance of the other and an ever-fuller gift of self. This necessitates offering programmes of formation which nourish married life and the importance of the laity providing an accompaniment consisting of a lived testimony. Undoubtedly, the example of the faithful is of great assistance, as well as their profound love shown in their tenderness, and respect which is capable of growing over time and, in opening itself to the generation of life, creates an experience of a mystery that transcends us.
How about this:
Providing for homosexual persons
52. Without denying the moral problems associated with homosexual unions, there are instances where mutual assistance to the point of sacrifice is a valuable support in the life of these persons. Furthermore, the Church pays special attention to [...] children who live with same-sex couples and stresses that the needs and rights of the little ones must always be given priority.
The transmission of life and the challenge of the declining birthrate
Providing for homosexual persons
52. Without denying the moral problems associated with homosexual unions, there are instances where mutual assistance to the point of sacrifice is a valuable support in the life of these persons. Furthermore, the Church pays special attention to [...] children who live with same-sex couples and stresses that the needs and rights of the little ones must always be given priority.
The transmission of life and the challenge of the declining birthrate
I didn't say it offends me to be called a Roman Catholic. Can't you read?
The Catholic Church teaches the same things as taught by the Apostles, by their successors, and their successors, and so on. The evidence is there for anyone who wishes to see it. You simply refuse to see development as being different from change. The clarification of the Trinity in the face of the Arian heresy is an example of development. Clarification of the doctrine of the Incarnation by affirming Mary as "Theotokos" in the face of the Nestorian heresy is an example of development, on and on...so explain why you reject this.
The essence of what was taught by the Apostles is the same as the consensus of the Early church Fathers, who were Catholic. Show me one that was Protestant in doctrine. You can't.
The Catholic Church teaches the same things as taught by the Apostles, by their successors, and their successors, and so on. The evidence is there for anyone who wishes to see it. You simply refuse to see development as being different from change. The clarification of the Trinity in the face of the Arian heresy is an example of development. Clarification of the doctrine of the Incarnation by affirming Mary as "Theotokos" in the face of the Nestorian heresy is an example of development, on and on...so explain why you reject this.
The essence of what was taught by the Apostles is the same as the consensus of the Early church Fathers, who were Catholic. Show me one that was Protestant in doctrine. You can't.
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^ Lolol. Entertaining to say the least for the historically aware and properly educated. Allow me to interject two facts into this delusion of yours: 'fraud' and a 'fabricated history' for those are pillars upon which the modern RCC stands.
Normally I'm sensitive to Catholics because the majority of them are sincere, many of them have found salvation in Christ and are not relying upon a religious organization for their salvation, and share biblical morality with me (despite the flaws in RCC epistemology, theology, and exegesis). Indeed, there certainly are Catholics (both Roman and Eastern) that I genuinely like and respect on this forum and I have joined their side of debates on numerous occasions when people came against them with information that was not accurate.
However, in your case I'm going to make an exception. The reasons for this are due to your ignorance, pride, and nasty disposition. While this will be painful for you, it should be quite informative for everyone else. Let's begin with a Christian Protestant apologist's statement:
"Such was the ambition of most of those who were scrambling onto the alleged throne of Peter and at times warring with one another to gain it. Using the name of Christ and piously making the sign of the cross, they labored mightily to satisfy their lust for power and pleasure and wealth. No justification for making themselves the absolute and infallible rulers over the Church, much less the world, could be found in the writings of the early Fathers and certainly not in Scripture.
Therefore the popes had to find other support. The means they chose was to rewrite history by manufacturing allegedly historical documents. The first of these bold forgeries was The Donation of Constantine. It was followed by pseudo-Isidorian Decretals, which were early papal decrees allegedly compiled by Archbishop Isidore (560-636) but actually fabricated in the ninth century. These frauds became the foundation for much "tradition" still relied upon today.
Catholic historian J.H. Ignaz von Dollinger writes that prior 'to the time of the Isidorian Decretals no serious attempt was made anywhere to introduce the Roman theory of infallibility. The popes did not dream of laying claim to such a privilege."
He goes on to explain that these fraudulent Decretals would gradually, but surely, change the whole constitution and government of the [Roman Catholic] Church. It would be difficult to find in all history a second instance of so successful and yet so clumsy a forgery.
Catholic Historians themselves exposed the fraud and fabrications but it didn't matter for the principles introduced and brought into practice on the basis of the forgeries took such deep root in the soil of the [Roman Catholic] Church, that the exposure of the fraud produced no result in shaking the dominant system.
The Isidorian Decretals involved about a hundred concocted decrees allegedly promulgated by the earliest popes, along with counterfeit writings of supposed Church authorities and synods. These fabrications were just what Nicholas I (858-67) needed to justify his claims that the popes "held the place of God on earth" with absolute authority over kings, including even the right to "command massacres" of [even Christian believers] who opposed them and all in the name of Christ.
The popes who followed Nicholas were only too happy to emulate his ways, and each of them used his predecessors' actions to justify his own, thus building an ever-larger case for infallibility, but upon a fraudulent foundation. Writing in the nineteenth century, Church historian R.W. Thompson, himself a Catholic, comments:
'Such times as these were adapted to the practice of any kind of imposture and fraud which the popes and clergy considered necessary to strengthen the authority of the papacy... the personal interest [and] ambition of Innocent III led him to preserve all these forgeries with care, so that... the "pious fraud" might become sanctified by time... The result he hoped and sought for has been accomplished.'
[These] false Decretals, which are now universally considered to have been bold and unblushing forgeries constitute the cornerstone of that enormous system of wrong and usurpation which has since been built up by the papacy, to revive which Pope Pius IX has now put forth his Encyclical and Syllabus [of Errors].
Devout Catholics would be shocked to learn that much of the 'apostolic tradition' they have been told supports Roman Catholicism (and is to be regarded upon the same level as scripture) was actually a deliberately manufactured fraud.
The doctrines built upon these forgeries became so interwoven into Catholicism that even after the hoax was exposed the popes were reluctant to make the necessary corrections. Pope after infallible pope endorsed the counterfeit. To make a clean break from centuries of accumulated lies would tear apart the very fabric of Roman Catholicism.
Pope Pius IX relied upon the fraud, though it had already been exposed for three centuries, to build his case for pressuring the bishops to make papal infallibility an official dogma at Vatican I. But the testimony of history conclusively refutes both apostolic succession and papal infallibility."
Just a taste of the fraud and fabricated history the RCC has built its modern edifice on. But since you like the term "psychotic hate speech" so much, to see what that really looks like one need venture no further than the RCC's numerous anathemas against Christians.
Born again Christians whom are "in Christ" are condemned by the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) in over 100 anathemas pronounced against us by the RCC Councils of Trent and Vatican II. The RCC considers their "condemnations" against Christians who are not members of the RCC still in effect today (even if some RCC members themselves do not) and the RCC asserts that their "condemnations" can only be lifted if a Christian returns in submission to the authority of the pope and the RCC.
The truth, of course, is that there is only one door to enter the church (1) and that door is Jesus Christ. He alone, by His Holy Spirit, admits people into His church no matter their membership, or lack of, in any Protestant or Catholic religious organization/church.
And afterwards, "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." -Romans 8:1-5.
(Note Romans 8:9 which states that if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he [that person] does not belong to Him [Jesus Christ] no matter their membership, or lack of, in any Protestant or Catholic religious organization/church).
"So then brethren we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh for if you are living according to the flesh you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him." -Romans 8:12-17.
When by faith one receives the initial act of salvation (justification), at that very instant he or she is sealed by the Holy Spirit, baptized into the body of Christ, redeemed, regenerated, born again, adopted into God's family, reconciled to God, and forgiven of sin based on the mediation and atonement of Christ. All of these saving acts are made possible only because of the substitutionary death of Jesus on behalf of our sins, whereby the Just died for the unjust in order that God's justice may be satisfied and His mercy justify the unjust.
But salvation does not end with a single act of justification; this is only the first stage, by which one is saved from the penalty of sin. Salvation also involves a lifelong process of sanctification, by which we are saved from the power of sin. At death, our redemption climaxes with an act of glorification that saves us from the very presence of sin. At this point we will see God face-to-face (in the Beatific Vision) and become like Him, for then we shall see Him as He is.
The RCC is completely amiss in their "psychotic hate speech" condemnations of us whom are "in Christ" and members of the "kingdom of God" which they constructed from the materials of fraud and fabrication.
(1) Believers joined to Christ's spiritual body by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13) at the moment of regeneration (Titus 3:3-6) when they individually place their faith in the Lord Jesus as their Savior (Acts 16:31).
It only gets worse for you moving forward kepha. Everyone else, enjoy the show and I hope you learn a thing or two
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Normally I'm sensitive to Catholics because the majority of them are sincere, many of them have found salvation in Christ and are not relying upon a religious organization for their salvation, and share biblical morality with me (despite the flaws in RCC epistemology, theology, and exegesis). Indeed, there certainly are Catholics (both Roman and Eastern) that I genuinely like and respect on this forum and I have joined their side of debates on numerous occasions when people came against them with information that was not accurate.
However, in your case I'm going to make an exception. The reasons for this are due to your ignorance, pride, and nasty disposition. While this will be painful for you, it should be quite informative for everyone else. Let's begin with a Christian Protestant apologist's statement:
"Such was the ambition of most of those who were scrambling onto the alleged throne of Peter and at times warring with one another to gain it. Using the name of Christ and piously making the sign of the cross, they labored mightily to satisfy their lust for power and pleasure and wealth. No justification for making themselves the absolute and infallible rulers over the Church, much less the world, could be found in the writings of the early Fathers and certainly not in Scripture.
Therefore the popes had to find other support. The means they chose was to rewrite history by manufacturing allegedly historical documents. The first of these bold forgeries was The Donation of Constantine. It was followed by pseudo-Isidorian Decretals, which were early papal decrees allegedly compiled by Archbishop Isidore (560-636) but actually fabricated in the ninth century. These frauds became the foundation for much "tradition" still relied upon today.
Catholic historian J.H. Ignaz von Dollinger writes that prior 'to the time of the Isidorian Decretals no serious attempt was made anywhere to introduce the Roman theory of infallibility. The popes did not dream of laying claim to such a privilege."
He goes on to explain that these fraudulent Decretals would gradually, but surely, change the whole constitution and government of the [Roman Catholic] Church. It would be difficult to find in all history a second instance of so successful and yet so clumsy a forgery.
Catholic Historians themselves exposed the fraud and fabrications but it didn't matter for the principles introduced and brought into practice on the basis of the forgeries took such deep root in the soil of the [Roman Catholic] Church, that the exposure of the fraud produced no result in shaking the dominant system.
The Isidorian Decretals involved about a hundred concocted decrees allegedly promulgated by the earliest popes, along with counterfeit writings of supposed Church authorities and synods. These fabrications were just what Nicholas I (858-67) needed to justify his claims that the popes "held the place of God on earth" with absolute authority over kings, including even the right to "command massacres" of [even Christian believers] who opposed them and all in the name of Christ.
The popes who followed Nicholas were only too happy to emulate his ways, and each of them used his predecessors' actions to justify his own, thus building an ever-larger case for infallibility, but upon a fraudulent foundation. Writing in the nineteenth century, Church historian R.W. Thompson, himself a Catholic, comments:
'Such times as these were adapted to the practice of any kind of imposture and fraud which the popes and clergy considered necessary to strengthen the authority of the papacy... the personal interest [and] ambition of Innocent III led him to preserve all these forgeries with care, so that... the "pious fraud" might become sanctified by time... The result he hoped and sought for has been accomplished.'
[These] false Decretals, which are now universally considered to have been bold and unblushing forgeries constitute the cornerstone of that enormous system of wrong and usurpation which has since been built up by the papacy, to revive which Pope Pius IX has now put forth his Encyclical and Syllabus [of Errors].
Devout Catholics would be shocked to learn that much of the 'apostolic tradition' they have been told supports Roman Catholicism (and is to be regarded upon the same level as scripture) was actually a deliberately manufactured fraud.
The doctrines built upon these forgeries became so interwoven into Catholicism that even after the hoax was exposed the popes were reluctant to make the necessary corrections. Pope after infallible pope endorsed the counterfeit. To make a clean break from centuries of accumulated lies would tear apart the very fabric of Roman Catholicism.
Pope Pius IX relied upon the fraud, though it had already been exposed for three centuries, to build his case for pressuring the bishops to make papal infallibility an official dogma at Vatican I. But the testimony of history conclusively refutes both apostolic succession and papal infallibility."
Just a taste of the fraud and fabricated history the RCC has built its modern edifice on. But since you like the term "psychotic hate speech" so much, to see what that really looks like one need venture no further than the RCC's numerous anathemas against Christians.
Born again Christians whom are "in Christ" are condemned by the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) in over 100 anathemas pronounced against us by the RCC Councils of Trent and Vatican II. The RCC considers their "condemnations" against Christians who are not members of the RCC still in effect today (even if some RCC members themselves do not) and the RCC asserts that their "condemnations" can only be lifted if a Christian returns in submission to the authority of the pope and the RCC.
The truth, of course, is that there is only one door to enter the church (1) and that door is Jesus Christ. He alone, by His Holy Spirit, admits people into His church no matter their membership, or lack of, in any Protestant or Catholic religious organization/church.
And afterwards, "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." -Romans 8:1-5.
(Note Romans 8:9 which states that if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he [that person] does not belong to Him [Jesus Christ] no matter their membership, or lack of, in any Protestant or Catholic religious organization/church).
"So then brethren we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh for if you are living according to the flesh you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him." -Romans 8:12-17.
When by faith one receives the initial act of salvation (justification), at that very instant he or she is sealed by the Holy Spirit, baptized into the body of Christ, redeemed, regenerated, born again, adopted into God's family, reconciled to God, and forgiven of sin based on the mediation and atonement of Christ. All of these saving acts are made possible only because of the substitutionary death of Jesus on behalf of our sins, whereby the Just died for the unjust in order that God's justice may be satisfied and His mercy justify the unjust.
But salvation does not end with a single act of justification; this is only the first stage, by which one is saved from the penalty of sin. Salvation also involves a lifelong process of sanctification, by which we are saved from the power of sin. At death, our redemption climaxes with an act of glorification that saves us from the very presence of sin. At this point we will see God face-to-face (in the Beatific Vision) and become like Him, for then we shall see Him as He is.
The RCC is completely amiss in their "psychotic hate speech" condemnations of us whom are "in Christ" and members of the "kingdom of God" which they constructed from the materials of fraud and fabrication.
(1) Believers joined to Christ's spiritual body by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:13) at the moment of regeneration (Titus 3:3-6) when they individually place their faith in the Lord Jesus as their Savior (Acts 16:31).
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Then they cannot be in full communion with the Church. All homosexuals are called to a life of chastity.
Now realize the two statements about legal contracts and the watching of chlidren raised by same sex couples will be A) the unique outlyers and B) how the Catholic Church feels how the secular government should run things.
So, any homosexual couple who engages in sexual relations are not in full communion with the Catholic Church.
Now realize the two statements about legal contracts and the watching of chlidren raised by same sex couples will be A) the unique outlyers and B) how the Catholic Church feels how the secular government should run things.
So, any homosexual couple who engages in sexual relations are not in full communion with the Catholic Church.