The Importance of Rightly Dividing the word of Truth

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ChosenbyHim

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It matters not Church means building regardless of any way it is sliced, diced and or cubed
And Ecclesia means assembly or better called out ones, and is not a building
Exactly. Ecclesia does indeed mean: "called out ones."


And that's what the word church basically means. You did not even need the Greek to know that. The King James Bible defines its own words. It has its own dictionary.


Do you not think that after Christ, resurrection and freedom that came form that, that man does want this for all? Or does man still want to be in the lead? Does flesh want control? Does want control?
Flesh wants control God gives release from that stress, worry and sickness, through the /Son period. We are free to meet anywhere anytime, is it not a religion it is a belief in trusting God the Father through the Son. Paul was in prison was the word stopped? So where is the assembly other than Heaven in the Spirit of /God, through the resurrected Christ?

Many of times Homwardbound, man still wants to be in the lead. Even after he gets saved. You know what that is? It's his flesh. Man's flesh still wants to run itself and be in charge. Ever met any Christians who were still trying to run their own life?

Ever met a Christian who had a hard time yielding and submitting to the leadership and guide of the Holy Spirit?

Ever met any Christians who still dealt with their self righteousness? And these kind of Christians are easy to spot, because their the ones that are usually worried about losing their salvation. And you find these same kind of Christians always trying to put them selves back under the law. They want to keep the sabbath, they want to live like a Messianic Jew and so forth. Which may be one of the reasons why the Hebrew Roots Movement is growing so rapidly.

Also to answer your question Homwardbound about where is the assembly. The assembly can take place anywhere. Itcan take place in a market place, it can take place in a park, it can take place in a tent, it Could take place in the woods, etc. The Church is not a building. The Church is the body of Christ.

Therefore an assembly/congregation of believers who have been called out to be a peculiar people.
 

zone

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The Church is not a building. The Church is the body of Christ.
are there any jews in your Body of Christ:confused:

lets have a real good look at this stuff.
cuz i am SO DONE with this bait & switch junk.

READY CHOSEN:confused:
 

ChosenbyHim

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are there any jews in your Body of Christ:confused:

lets have a real good look at this stuff.
cuz i am SO DONE with this bait & switch junk.

READY CHOSEN:confused:
Zone it's called the body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:27).

And I've been over this before. The body of Christ is composed of both Saved Jews and Saved Gentiles (see Gal. 3:28 & Col. 3:11).

Therefore there are saved Jews in the body of Christ. And in this dispensation, when a Jew gets saved, he becomes a new creature just as a Gentlile does when he gets saved (2 Cor. 5:17).

And that Jew who gets saved, becomes a Christian, since he is in Jesus Christ. There is no distinction today between saved Jews and saved Gentiles. They are all one in the body of Christ. (1 Cor. 12:12-13, 27).
 

zone

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Here is another important distinction that needs to be made in order for one to understand the Scriptures and Bible Prophecy.


In the Dispensation of Grace (Church Age), the temple of God is in the body of every true born again Christian:


16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. - 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (King James Bible)



16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. - 2 Corinthians 6:16-18 (King James Bible)



So again, we see that today, the temple of God is the body of a born again Christian.


Now this is also a proof text to show the importance of right division of Scripture and also to show why Christians cannot be on the earth during the time of Jacob's trouble.


And here is how this is so. In the time of Jacob's trouble, the temple of God will be a physical building. It will be a physical temple located in Jerusalem:


13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. - Matthew 24:13-21 (King James Bible)

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So from reading those passages of Scripture (Matthew 24:13-21, Mark 13:13-19, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10), we can see that the tribulation temple that is going to be in Jerusalem during Daniel's 70th week is being referenced.


There is a clear dispensational distinction.



The temple of God in 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 is NOT the same temple of God that is referenced in 2 Thessalonians 2:4. It cannot be.


If you are going to read the Scriptures literally, you are going to have to be dispensational folks. There is no getting around that.


This shows why Christians cannot be here for the time of Jacob's trouble.


If Christians were to be here for the time of Jacob's trouble, there would be two temples of God on this earth, and that would create confusion.


And this is more proof that the temple of God which the antichrist stands in will be a physical temple and it will obviously be located in Jerusalem.


And it is further proof to the fact that Christians will be gone when Daniel's 70th week (time of Jacob's trouble) is taking place.


Ever wondered why there is no physical temple in Jerusalem right now??

BECAUSE IT WAS DESTROYED IN 70AD AND THE CHRISTIANS WERE 'REMOVED' FROM THE SCENE BY LISTENING TO CHRIST'S INSTRUCTIONS ABOUT THE A.O.D. (DANIEL'S PROPHECY) TO FLEE JUDEA WHEN THE ROMAN ARMIES APPROACHED.

THEY DID.

what had happened a few decades before God's patience and time for the preaching of repentance came to and end (in 70AD)?


KEEP THIS IN MIND:


16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. - 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (King James Bible)


HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED - AND WHY PAUL COULD SAY "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

Acts 2
The Holy Spirit at Pentecost

(Joel 2:28-32; John 14:15-26; John 16:5-16; Acts 10:44-48; Acts 19:1-7)

1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Peter Preaches to the Crowd
14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Three Thousand Believe
37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

The Fellowship of Believers
(Acts 4:32-37)

42And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.


^^ WERE THOSE JEWS? ^^ WAS THAT THE CHURCH? WAS THAT WHAT PAUL MEANT:

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. - 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (King James Bible)

???

and GUESS WHAT?

THE TEMPLE WAS STILL STANDING.....for a little while longer.


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now would you address this Chosen?


2. Dispensationalism and the Church

In its doctrine of the Church, Dispensationalism holds that the Jewish rejection of the kingdom caused Jesus to postpone the kingdom until the Second Advent, and to establish the church as an interlude between the two advents



DID ALL JEWS REJECT THE KING AND THE KINGDOM?
WAS IT POSTPONED?

Luke 11:20
But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.


did Jesus cast out demons by the power of God?
consider your answer really carefully.
 

zone

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Zone it's called the body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:27).

And I've been over this before. The body of Christ is composed of both Saved Jews and Saved Gentiles (see Gal. 3:28 & Col. 3:11).

Therefore there are saved Jews in the body of Christ. And in this dispensation, when a Jew gets saved, he becomes a new creature just as a Gentlile does when he gets saved (2 Cor. 5:17).

And that Jew who gets saved, becomes a Christian, since he is in Jesus Christ. There is no distinction today between saved Jews and saved Gentiles. They are all one in the body of Christ. (1 Cor. 12:12-13, 27).
Ephesians 3
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Ephesians 2:15
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek...for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

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SO LEFT BEHIND JEWS AND LEFT BEHIND GENTILES NEVER ENTER THE BODY OF CHRIST - RIGHT?


"The Church/Israel distinction is the best way to determine whether or not someone is a dispensationalist - the most important critereon"

- Dispensationalism Today, by Charles C. Ryrie, Moody Press, 1965, pps. 44-45, 132

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ChosenbyHim 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life, except the people left behind in the next dispensation, because they have to work for their salvation. When the Age of Grace is over, you are saved by faith and works according to James who wasn't writing to the CHURCH.
 

zone

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Chosen;

does your Scofield Rightly Dividing Bible have this in the introduction - (1909; 1917 editions) - or did you get the ones where they were smart enough to take that out?


"The discovery of the Sinaitic MS. and the labours in the field of textual criticism of such scholars as Griesbach, Lachmann, Tischendorf, Tregelles, Winer, Alford, and Wescott and Hort, have cleared the Greek textus receptus of minor inaccuracies, while confirming in a remarkable degree the general accuracy of the Authorized Version of that text. Such emendations of the text as scholarship demands have been placed in the margins of this edition, which therefore combines the dignity, the high religious value, the tender associations of the past, the literary beauty of the and remarkable general accuracy of the Authorized Version, with the results of the best textual scholarship." - Scofield
 

ChosenbyHim

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open your eyes man. That is not talking about eternal salvation. It means enduring through the tribulation and somehow keeping yourself alive until the time of Christs return. are all the do not endure and get killed going to hell??



EG, the tribulation saints who get killed in the time of Jacob's trouble will have endured to the end. That passage is talking about those tribulation saints who endure to the end; in that they remain faithful to Jesus Christ by not taking the mark of the beast. So whether a tribulation saint makes it to the end of the tribulation or whether he gets killed for his faith, he has still endured to the end; by not taking the mark of the beast, and also by keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.




10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
- Revelation 12:10-12 (King James Bible)




9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. - Revelation 14:9-13 (King James Bible)




4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. - Revelation 20:4 (King James Bible)





Your as bad as the legalist using this to say people have to work to earn salvation or keep it.


EG, today in the Church Age, works are not needed for salvation. It is by grace through faith WITHOUT WORKS.


Today, salvation is by faith only.


But at the Rapture something changes. Because at the Rapture, the Church Age ends.


And in the time of Jacob's trouble, works will be needed with faith for salvation. Matthew 25, James 2, and Revelation 14:9-12 clearly teach that this is the case.



thats impossible. for that would say the penalty of sin is death, plus whatever work they must do. to be forgiven of the crime, all we have to do is pay the penalty. Not more than the penalty that would be unjust punishment. Not to mention. How can you think any man, today yesterday or tomorrow could do works worthy of salvation? If you think thus You do not know God very well or his just standard. or the meaning of the law.


EG, what we need to do is simply see what the Bible teaches. What it teaches regarding salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble.



Yep. We all are saved who do this.

Today, we are not saved by keeping the commandments. We are only saved by grace through faith. Faith in Jesus Christ.

And not of works.



But since you say otherwise EG, let me ask you this question: How come a born again Christian is never told to keep the commandments?


How come Paul never tells us to keep the Commandments?




they do not keep the commands TO GET SAVED, they keep them BECAUSE THEY ARE SAVED, It COMES FOME TRUE FAITH. read the NT man, It is NO DIFFERENT!

EG, there is clearly an element of works during the time of Jacob's trouble. Read Matthew 25.



No. It never teaches this EVER!

Yes it does. Again, read Matthew 25, James 2, and Revelation 14:9-12.



Dude, In NO dispensation has it been faith plus works. And it will never be faith plus works. Even IF the rapture occures. It will still be saved by faith, it will just be harder to have faith. Yet John sees thousands of people saved by the martyres, the 144-- and the two witnesses.

Tribulation has a way of turning people to God.


Yes it has.

Under the Mosaic Law it has been. And it will be likewise in the time of Jacob's trouble.
 
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EG, the tribulation saints who get killed in the time of Jacob's trouble will have endured to the end. That passage is talking about those tribulation saints who endure to the end; in that they remain faithful to Jesus Christ by not taking the mark of the beast. So whether a tribulation saint makes it to the end of the tribulation or whether he gets killed for his faith, he has still endured to the end; by not taking the mark of the beast, and also by keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
- Revelation 12:10-12 (King James Bible)
9 And the third gel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. - Revelation 14:9-13 (King James Bible)
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. - Revelation 20:4 (King James Bible)
EG, today in the Church Age, works are not needed for salvation. It is by grace through faith WITHOUT WORKS.
Today, salvation is by faith only.
But at the Rapture something changes. Because at the Rapture, the Church Age ends.
And in the time of Jacob's trouble, works will be needed with faith for salvation. Matthew 25, James 2, and Revelation 14:9-12 clearly teach that this is the case.

EG, what we need to do is simply see what the Bible teaches. What it teaches regarding salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble.
Today, we are not saved by keeping the commandments. We are only saved by grace through faith. Faith in Jesus Christ.
And not of works.

But since you say otherwise EG, let me ask you this question: How come a born again Christian is never told to keep the commandments?
come Paul never tells us to keep the Commandments?

EG, there is clearly an element of works during the time of Jacob's trouble. Read Matthew 25.
Yes it does. Again, read Matthew 25, James 2, and Revelation 14:9-12.
Yes it has.
Under the Mosaic Law it has been. And it will be likewise in the time of Jacob's trouble.
You are missing the whole point of James, 1 John, Acts, Hebrews, and ultimately you then miss the point of Revelation. The Bible teaches salvation by faith alone, through all 'dispensations'. Works are the maturity of the believer, not the salvation of the believer. There is no possible argument against this other than the denial of our current salvation through Christ in the 'Church Age'. If salvation becomes by works+faith in the trib, then it means than the shed blood of Christ was not enough. Are you claiming the death and resurrection of Christ to be so inadequate and disappointing as to not cover the sins of the the tribulation martyrs and saints?!
Read Hebrews or the sermon of Stephen, and you will see that ALL the saints were saved by faith alone.
The promise of Christ was sufficient for the OT, the sacrifice of Chris is sufficient for the NT, and will continue to be sufficient for all eternity (including the Trib).
 

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Zone, question for you:

Do you really believe that the Gospel of the Grace of God (Acts 20:24) and that the Gospel of the Kingdom (Matt. 4:23, 24:14) is the same Gospel???
Acts 20
23except that the Holy Spirit solemnly testifies to me in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions await me. 24"But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God. 25"And now, behold, I know that all of you, among whom I went about preaching the kingdom, will no longer see my face.


throw out your footnotes "bible"; find a new church....get on your knees, repent of false teaching, and beg for truth.
 

zone

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Doctrinally, the New Covenant mentioned in Hebrews 8 is for the House of Israel and the House of Judah. It is not for the church.


4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. - Hebrews 8:4-13 (King James Bible)
well, at least you are fully consistent in this wretched system.

two peoples, you need 2 new covenants.
makes perfect sense...when you're off in the ditch.
 

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Exactly. Ecclesia does indeed mean: "called out ones."


And that's what the word church basically means. You did not even need the Greek to know that. The King James Bible defines its own words. It has its own dictionary.





Many of times Homwardbound, man still wants to be in the lead. Even after he gets saved. You know what that is? It's his flesh. Man's flesh still wants to run itself and be in charge. Ever met any Christians who were still trying to run their own life?

Ever met a Christian who had a hard time yielding and submitting to the leadership and guide of the Holy Spirit?

Ever met any Christians who still dealt with their self righteousness? And these kind of Christians are easy to spot, because their the ones that are usually worried about losing their salvation. And you find these same kind of Christians always trying to put them selves back under the law. They want to keep the sabbath, they want to live like a Messianic Jew and so forth. Which may be one of the reasons why the Hebrew Roots Movement is growing so rapidly.

Also to answer your question Homwardbound about where is the assembly. The assembly can take place anywhere. Itcan take place in a market place, it can take place in a park, it can take place in a tent, it Could take place in the woods, etc. The Church is not a building. The Church is the body of Christ.

Therefore an assembly/congregation of believers who have been called out to be a peculiar people.
So then it is just semantics then just as asking for more forgiveness from God, when there is no more sacrifice or shedding of blood, but we sin again and we blatantly ask God to forgive us over and over again, using 1 John 1:9 as our bar of soap to get cleansed all over again. When there is no where it says after receiving the forgiveness provided by God at the cross to ask for any further forgiveness after the cross of Christ
Is that true or are we to, if we sin to go to God the Father and ask for Christ to come back and shed some more blood for more forgiveness. That sacrifice was not perfect enough.
Think God will come back to shed more blood for more sins, that it did not take away the sin issue the first time.
Are we Forgiven 100% by Christ at the death of Christ at the cross or not? If you want to rightly divide the word of truth let's divide it
 

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So then it is just semantics then just as asking for more forgiveness from God, when there is no more sacrifice or shedding of blood, but we sin again and we blatantly ask God to forgive us over and over again, using 1 John 1:9 as our bar of soap to get cleansed all over again. When there is no where it says after receiving the forgiveness provided by God at the cross to ask for any further forgiveness after the cross of Christ

Is that true or are we to, if we sin to go to God the Father and ask for Christ to come back and shed some more blood for more forgiveness. That sacrifice was not perfect enough.

Think God will come back to shed more blood for more sins, that it did not take away the sin issue the first time.
Are we Forgiven 100% by Christ at the death of Christ at the cross or not? If you want to rightly divide the word of truth let's divide it
Luke 11
1One day Jesus was praying in a certain place. When he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.”

2He said to them, “When you pray, say:

“ ‘Father,

hallowed be your name,

your kingdom come.

3 Give us each day our daily bread.

4 Forgive us our sins,

for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.

And lead us not into temptation. ’ ”
 

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Here is another important distinction that needs to be made in order for one to understand the Scriptures and Bible Prophecy.


for your consideration, Chosen:


"The most convincing evidence of the unseen Zionist hand that wrote the Scofield notes to the venerable King James Bible is the content of the notes themselves, for only Zionists could have written them. These notes are the subject of this paper.

Oxford edited the former 1945 Edition of SRB in 1967, at the time of the Six Day War when Israel occupied Palestine. The new footnotes to the King James Bible presumptuously granted the rights to the Palestinians' land to the State of Israel and specifically denied the Arab Palestinians any such rights at all. One of the most brazen and outrageous of these NEWLY INSERTED footnotes states:

"FOR A NATION TO COMMIT THE SIN OF ANTI-SEMITISM BRINGS INEVITABLE JUDGMENT." (page 19-20, footnote (3) to Genesis 12:3.) (our emphasis added)

This statement sounds like something from Ariel Sharon, or the Chief Rabbi in Tel Aviv, or Theodore Herzl, the founder of Modern Zionism. But these exact words are found between the covers of the 1967 Edition of the Oxford Bible that is followed by millions of American churchgoers and students and is used by their leaders as a source for their preaching and teaching.

There is no word for "anti-Semitism" in the New Testament, nor is it found among the Ten Commandments. "Sin," this writer was taught, is a personal concept. It is something done by individuals in conflict with God's words, not by "nations." Even Sodom did not sin--its people did. The word "judgment" in the Bible always refers to God's action. In the Christian New Testament, Jesus promises both judgment and salvation for believing individuals, not for "nations."

There was also no "State of Israel" when Scofield wrote his original notes in his concocted Scofield Reference Bible in 1908. All references to Israel as a state were added AFTER 1947, when Israel was granted statehood by edict of the United Nations. The Oxford University Press simply rewrote its version of the Christian Bible in 1967 to make antipathy toward the "State of Israel" a "sin." Israel is made a god to be worshiped, not merely a "state." David Ben-Gurion could not have written it better. Perhaps he did write it!

The Oxford 1967 Edition continues on page 19:

"(2) GOD MADE AN UNCONDITIONAL PROMISE OF BLESSINGS THROUGH ABRAM'S SEED (a) TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL TO INHERIT A SPECIFIC TERRITORY FOREVER"

"(3) THERE IS A PROMISE OF BLESSING UPON THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND NATIONS WHO BLESS ABRAM'S DESCENDANTS, AND A CURSE LAID UPON THOSE WHO PERSECUTE THE JEWS." (Page 19, 1967 Edition Genesis 12:1-3)

This bequeath is joined to an Oxford prophesy that never occurs in the Bible itself:

"IT HAS INVARIABLY FARED ILL WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PERSECUTED THE JEW, WELL WITH THOSE WHO HAVE PROTECTED HIM." and "THE FUTURE WILL STILL MORE REMARKABLY PROVE THIS PRINCIPLE"(footnote (3) bottom of page19-20Genesis 12:3)"

- Charles E. Carlson, 2004.
 

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Luke 11
1One day Jesus was praying in a certain place. When he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.”

2He said to them, “When you pray, say:

“ ‘Father,

hallowed be your name,

your kingdom come.

3 Give us each day our daily bread.

4 Forgive us our sins,

for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.

And lead us not into temptation. ’ ”
Yes Sister yes, and that was before the cross, where after we thank Christ for taking all sin out of the way and we love because God first loved us through Son
Very true what you posted before the cross took place.
After we are forgiven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  1. Romans 3:25
    whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
    Romans 3:24-26 (in Context) Romans 3 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  2. 1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
    1 John 2:1-3 (in Context) 1 John 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  3. 1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
    1 John 4:9-11 (in Context) 1 John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

And many others that say after the cross we are forgiven 100% So we can view it form before under Law under a curse, or after the cross forgiven , and made alive a Gift from God in the Spirit, and worship in spirit as today is the only way can be worshipped

  1. John 4:23
    But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
    John 4:22-24 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  2. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
    John 4:23-25 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
 

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was this before or after the Cross?

1 John 1:8
7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

no confession, no cleansing, no walking in the Light.
i don't care how you feel about it.

if you're not being corrected (scourged) by The Lord; convicted by The Spirit for your good, something's wrong.

perhaps The Spirit is making intercession for you, since you don't know to seek cleansing - i don't know.

maybe you think you never sin.

God forbid.
 

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Chosenbyhim

Please tell me what you think about this post here below please

If historyis anything to go by, it seems that the more 'right' a person feels they are intheir theology and ideology, the more justified they also feel not to love;justified by their theology and ideology to separate, to exclude, to reject, toblame, to ridicule, to suppress.



Well first off Homwardbound, a person should not go by his or her feelings to determine what is right.


The Bible is the Final Absolute Authority. We are to submit to the Holy Bible.


You see Homwardbound, I make mistakes, you will mistakes, mankind will make mistakes. So if we want to know what is right, we need to stick with the King James Bible. Because the King James Bible, which is God's perfect, pure, inerrant, and infallible word, is always right.


Now to comment on the first part of this quote which you shared, I can see to a certain degree where this author is coming from. After all, we have in our day, so called "scholars" who think they are intelligent just because they had such and such years of seminary training. These "educated" men seem to find it rather easy to look down upon anyone who has not been to college or any type of seminary. Another example would be the Seventh Day Adventists. The SDA's are quick to condemn anyone who attends a fellowship on a Sunday morning instead of on a Saturday morning. And while some of the SDA's may seem to have a zeal about their beliefs, they are still wrong and are in great error.



So again, I can see to some point where the author is coming from, after all, knowledge does puff up. And when any man begins to get a lot of head knowledge, it becomes rather easy for that man to develop pride, and to think more highly of himself. Which of course is a sin.


Having said that, there is genuine way to gain great Biblical Understanding and Knowledge of the word while still remaining humble. And do you know what that way is? It is by seeking to know our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ more and more.


We are to have a love for the Holy Bible and we are also to love the Author of the Holy Bible. Which is the Lord Jesus Christ.


Also keep in mind Homwardbound, that we as Christians are to separate over Doctrine.



17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. - Romans 16:17-18 (Holy Bible)



We are to mark false teachers such as Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, John Macarthur and so forth.


So if someone you listen to starts to teach some doctrine that is contrary to the Scriptures, well then no matter how much you may like the fella, you still need to separate yourself from him. Because that is what God's word tells us that we are to do.


So to conclude with this first segment, as much as we are to love the brethren, we are to love God and His holy word more.




But who is 'right'... probably none of us.We're all musing and contemplating, forming thoughts and interpretations oflife and Scripture, and zooming along upon a planet the size of a grain of sandcompared to the ocean we call our universe.


This I definitely disagree with.


There are men and women out there who are right. And do you know who those men and women are? It is those men and women who agree with the Holy Bible. It's those men and women out there who believe the Bible. And who submit to the Absolute Final Authority of the Holy Bible.


For instance, when I share with a person (saved or not saved) about the position of the rapture, I am not going to share with them what I feel or think it is, I am going to show them what the timing of the Rapture is from the Holy Scriptures. And of course, the Rapture is Pre-trib.


Therefore I and thousands of others who believe in the Pre-trib. Raputure are right about this issue. And we are right because we simply believe what the King James Bible says. Always remember brother homwardbound, that the King James Holy Bible is always right.





History's worse atrocities, both great andsmall, were done by people who believed their theology and ideology was 'right'... and more than that, that these beliefs justified the evil actions theydragged humanity through.


Well just think about this Homwardbound, take into account what Muslims are doing right now to those who will not convert to their religion of Islam. But especially take into account how they mistreat Christians.

And how about the Roman Catholic church, which is the Whore of Babylon. Are you aware that the Roman Catholic church has persecuted, tortured, and killed millions of Christians down through the centuries?


And do you know what Islam and Catholicism both have in common? They both reject God's Final Authority.


Both Islam and The Roman Catholic church teach for doctrines the commandments of men.


You see, anyone who rejects the word of God, is already in trouble.


And when a person rejects God's word, that same person will make his feelings and his preferences his own final authority.


Furthermore Homwardbound, I can assure you of one other thing, and that is this:


Those people who committed those atrocities and evil actions did not fear God. And they did not believe God's word.


Because if those people would have feared God, then they would not have committed those atrocities. It is that simple. If they believed what God's word said about Heaven and Hell, then they would not have dared to commit such atrocities.





Our question to ourselves, therefore, shouldnot be "Am I right?" but rather "Am I loving?" because loveis God's desire. Love is what brings about hope and healing. Love, not theologyand ideology, is what brings heaven to earth, not the other way round.


While it is important to be kind and compassionate toward others, we have to remember that we are not to put our love for others above our love for the truth.


We are not to unite with those who teach false doctrine.


We are to be Biblically sound. We are to love God and His holy word first. And then we are to love others.


If we are going to love what is right and true, then we must also hate that which is evil.




We're all wrong, at least far more wrong aboutfar more things than we currently realize, that will become known at some pointI'm sure.


What Mike Mooney needs to realize is that Absolute Truth is available for anyone who wants it.


Those who believe God and His word; the King James Bible, and who stand by it, are right.


And those people who reject God and His word, those same people are wrong.



But how much do we love others, right here and right now, within ourwrongness? ... that is the question.

Well the real question should be this: how much do we love others to tell them the truth?


How much do we have love for others to deal with them about their soul?
 

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This is where your hermeneutic goes horribly wrong. If Hebrews can't be applied to the current 'dispensation' then 1. the blood atonement of Christ is not not for this 'dispensation' either, 2. the types given in the Old Testament don't apply to our redemption in Christ, and furthermore, 3. and your theory of works based salvation during the Great Tribulation is obviously wrong because Hebrews preaches faith-based salvation, not of works.


There are a lot of things in the book of Hebrews which can be applied to the Church Age for Instruction in Righteousness. But one must keep in mind; that the book of Hebrews is Doctrinally for the Jews in the time of Jacob's trouble.


Also, Types and shadows can apply for instruction in righteousness.


And salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble will be faith AND works. It won't just be based on works alone. But it will be faith AND works based (See Matthew 25, Hebrews 3, 6, 10, James 2, Rev. 12:17, 14:9-12).




Rightly divide the Word of God, not hack-n'-slash the Scriptures.

2 Timothy 3:16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.
NIV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
AKJV


All Scripture is for THIS DISPENSATION!
You can throw out the parts you disagree with, or explain them away; but you will be judged harshly for teaching others to do the same.


While all the Bible is written for you, not all of the Bible is written to you.


The promises which God gave to the Nation of Israel, those same promises are not for the church. Israel and the Church are distinct.


Israel is not the Church. And the Church is not Israel.


And dispensationalism is about understanding the portions of the word of God which apply Doctrinally for a Christian in the Church Age. And understanding the portions of the word of God which apply Doctrinally for a Tribulation Saint in the time of Jacob's trouble. It's about understanding and discerning the proper divisions within word of God.
 
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BECAUSE IT WAS DESTROYED IN 70AD AND THE CHRISTIANS WERE 'REMOVED' FROM THE SCENE BY LISTENING TO CHRIST'S INSTRUCTIONS ABOUT THE A.O.D. (DANIEL'S PROPHECY) TO FLEE JUDEA WHEN THE ROMAN ARMIES APPROACHED.

THEY DID.

what had happened a few decades before God's patience and time for the preaching of repentance came to and end (in 70AD)?


KEEP THIS IN MIND:


16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. - 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (King James Bible)


HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED - AND WHY PAUL COULD SAY "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"

Acts 2
The Holy Spirit at Pentecost

(Joel 2:28-32; John 14:15-26; John 16:5-16; Acts 10:44-48; Acts 19:1-7)

1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Peter Preaches to the Crowd
14But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: 24Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Three Thousand Believe
37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

The Fellowship of Believers
(Acts 4:32-37)

42And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.


^^ WERE THOSE JEWS? ^^ WAS THAT THE CHURCH? WAS THAT WHAT PAUL MEANT:

16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. - 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (King James Bible)

???

and GUESS WHAT?

THE TEMPLE WAS STILL STANDING.....for a little while longer.



Well those Jews which believed were added to the body of Christ. So I believe it was what Paul was referring to. But also remember Zone that the book of Acts is a transitional book and that it the Jews as a Nation were still being reached with the Gospel. The Jews as a Nation did not fully reject the Gospel until the last chapter of Acts.



24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. 25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, 26 saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: 27 for the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. 29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves. 30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, 31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confi
dence, no man forbidding him. - Acts 28:24-30 (King James Bible)





.........now would you address this Chosen?

2. Dispensationalism and the ChurchIn its doctrine of the Church, Dispensationalism holds that the Jewish rejection of the kingdom caused Jesus to postpone the kingdom until the Second Advent, and to establish the church as an interlude between the two advents

DID ALL JEWS REJECT THE KING AND THE KINGDOM?WAS IT POSTPONED?




What I am aware of Zone is that the Jews as a Nation rejected Jesus Christ and the offer of the Kingdom and that is what postponed and put off the Kingdom for a later time. That's why there is a Gap. And it is called the mystery of the Church. The One Body. Which consists of both Saved Jews and Saved Gentiles (Gal. 3:28 &Col. 3:11).


 

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Ephesians 3
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Ephesians 2:15
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek...for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

.........

SO LEFT BEHIND JEWS AND LEFT BEHIND GENTILES NEVER ENTER THE BODY OF CHRIST - RIGHT?


Anyone who is lieft behind Zone, obviously were never truly saved. Because all saved, born again Christians will partake in the Rapture of the Body of Christ.



"The Church/Israel distinction is the best way to determine whether or not someone is a dispensationalist - the most important critereon"

- Dispensationalism Today, by Charles C. Ryrie, Moody Press, 1965, pps. 44-45, 132

Yes there is a clear Distinction between the Church and between Israel.
 

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Chosen;

does your Scofield Rightly Dividing Bible have this in the introduction - (1909; 1917 editions) - or did you get the ones where they were smart enough to take that out?


"The discovery of the Sinaitic MS. and the labours in the field of textual criticism of such scholars as Griesbach, Lachmann, Tischendorf, Tregelles, Winer, Alford, and Wescott and Hort, have cleared the Greek textus receptus of minor inaccuracies, while confirming in a remarkable degree the general accuracy of the Authorized Version of that text. Such emendations of the text as scholarship demands have been placed in the margins of this edition, which therefore combines the dignity, the high religious value, the tender associations of the past, the literary beauty of the and remarkable general accuracy of the Authorized Version, with the results of the best textual scholarship." - Scofield

Well first off Zone, Scofield was not infallible. Scofield was capable of error just as you and I are.


And I do not know every doctrinal belief which Scofield held. But I do disagree with his praise of the Siniatic ms. and of his praise of the men he listed, especially regarding his praise of Westcott and Hort. Westcott and Hort were two of the biggest heretics out there.


And the text of the Authorized King James Bible is pure, inerrant and perfect. It did not and does not need any emendations. The Authorized King James Holy Bible is God's perfect and inerrant word.
 
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