The Importance of Rightly Dividing the word of Truth

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homwardbound

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Yes, I do. God has given us all things that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of him. He, himself tells us to study to show ourselves approved so something must come from our intellect with the guidance of the holy Spirit.
Flesh intellect is fruitless to God Sister, It is through the death of Christ that we are made Holy before God the Father, presented this way for new life in Father being given to us by the resurrection of Christ new life in the Spirit of Christ whereby we are considered dead to flesh and alive to God
just my two cents of what I see that has made me free in God and by this one walks as Christ walked. I had to give up my intellect and just trust God in what God has done through Son, and the changes God did not me wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Homwardbound, why not just study the context of the English Text of the Authorized Version?


The King James Bible is always right.


Here is a good article defending the reading of church in the Authorized Version.


Are the words "church" and "bishop" wrong?
It matters not Church means building regardless of any way it is sliced, diced and or cubed
And Ecclesia means assembly or better called out ones, and is not a building
Do you not think that after Christ, resurrection and freedom that came form that, that man does want this for all? Or does man still want to be in the lead? Does flesh want control? Does want control?
Flesh wants control God gives release from that stress, worry and sickness, through the /Son period. We are free to meet anywhere anytime, is it not a religion it is a belief in trusting God the Father through the Son. Paul was in prison was the word stopped? So where is the assembly other than Heaven in the Spirit of /God, through the resurrected Christ?
 

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UMMM Chosen,

Where does the Lord ever say salvation is by works? Obedience is always an outcome of faith. Works are the outward EVIDENCE that faith is alive and well. Jesus tells us "if you love Me you will obey and keep My commands".

Where do you think Paul was quoting from when he spoke of Abraham

Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness.

That is Genesis 15:6,but the context is taken from Genesis 12 where God told Abram to go and leave his homeland. Abram got and left because he believed God.


Sarah, salvation by works and faith is taught for a tribulation saint in the time of Jacob's trouble.


In the time of Jacob's trouble, a man or woman cannot take the mark of the beast, because if they do, they are eternally damned (Rev. 14:9-12).


So they will have to endure unto the end to be saved. And if they have to endure unto the end to be saved, that means their effort is involved for salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble. And if their effort is involved for salvation, that means that their works are involved along with their faith for salvation in Daniel's 70th week.


Notice a Dispensational Distinction in the following example:



[SUP]5 [/SUP]And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. - Revelation 1:5-6 (King James Bible)


Right now in the Church Age; it is Jesus Christ who washes us from our sins in his own blood. We don't do any of the washing. It is Jesus Christ who does all the washing (Salvation by grace through faith WITHOUT WORKS).


But in the time of Jacob's trouble, notice this notable difference:



[SUP]9 [/SUP]After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
- Revelation 7:9-15 (King James Bible)

Now did you notice the difference here Sarah?


Who is it that does the washing in Revelation 7:14?


It is the tribulation saints. Why? Because their works were involved along with their faith for salvation. In the time of Jacob's trouble it is faith AND works for salvation:


[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. - James 2:14-26 (King James Bible)
 
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Sarah, salvation by works and faith is taught for a tribulation saint in the time of Jacob's trouble.


In the time of Jacob's trouble, a man or woman cannot take the mark of the beast, because if they do, they are eternally damned (Rev. 14:9-12).


So they will have to endure unto the end to be saved. And if they have to endure unto the end to be saved, that means their effort is involved for salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble. And if their effort is involved for salvation, that means that their works are involved along with their faith for salvation in Daniel's 70th week.


Notice a Dispensational Distinction in the following example:



[SUP]5 [/SUP]And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. - Revelation 1:5-6 (King James Bible)


Right now in the Church Age; it is Jesus Christ who washes us from our sins in his own blood. We don't do any of the washing. It is Jesus Christ who does all the washing (Salvation by grace through faith WITHOUT WORKS).


But in the time of Jacob's trouble, notice this notable difference:



[SUP]9 [/SUP]After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
- Revelation 7:9-15 (King James Bible)

Now did you notice the difference here Sarah?


Who is it that does the washing in Revelation 7:14?


It is the tribulation saints. Why? Because their works were involved along with their faith for salvation. In the time of Jacob's trouble it is faith AND works for salvation:


[SUP]14 [/SUP]What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. - James 2:14-26 (King James Bible)

Sorry but you miss the whole thing entirely. It is not their works that save them. It is because they BELIEVE GOD AND OBEY. The whole Bible shows that over and over. Saving faith ALWAYS has an element of OBEDIENCE. Works always COME OUT of saving faith. It is not their works that saves them.
 

ChosenbyHim

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Sorry but you miss the whole thing entirely. It is not their works that save them. It is because they BELIEVE GOD AND OBEY. The whole Bible shows that over and over. Saving faith ALWAYS has an element of OBEDIENCE. Works always COME OUT of saving faith. It is not their works that saves them.

In the time of Jacob's trouble, salvation is by faith AND works. Case closed. That's what the Bible teaches.

In a previous post of mine, I showed you a Dispensational distinction between Rev. 1:5 and Rev. 7:14.

When you read James 2; take what it says literally.

Christians who are not Dispensational and who do not rightly divide the word of truth, they cause the Bible to contradict.
 
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In the time of Jacob's trouble, salvation is by faith AND works. Case closed. That's what the Bible teaches.

In a previous post of mine, I showed you a Dispensational distinction between Rev. 1:5 and Rev. 7:14.

When you read James 2; take what it says literally.

Christians who are not Dispensational and who do not rightly divide the word of truth, they cause the Bible to contradict.

UMMM Chosen,James applies to you also. It has always been and always will be we are justified by faith,OT and NT believers. The proof that one has saving faith is in obeying. Otherwise you have to throw out what Jesus Himself said. Remember Jesus said IF you love me you will KEEP AND OBEY my commands. Like it or not you CAN NOT throw those verses out.

John 14

15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”


1 John 2

3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God[a] is truly made complete in them.This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.



John 8

50 I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge.51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.”

You can NOT separate believing and obeying. Faith is always ACTIVE never passive. Love in the Bible is ACTIVE not passage and both imply DOING.




 
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In the time of Jacob's trouble, salvation is by faith AND works. Case closed. That's what the Bible teaches.

In a previous post of mine, I showed you a Dispensational distinction between Rev. 1:5 and Rev. 7:14.

When you read James 2; take what it says literally.

Christians who are not Dispensational and who do not rightly divide the word of truth, they cause the Bible to contradict.
No it does not. Hebrews proved this. It has never been works. So it is not going to revert back to works.

It has ALWAYS been by grace.

the 144000 and 2 witness do not go around preaching works of the law. they go around spreading the gospel to lead people to Christ.
 
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No it does not. Hebrews proved this. It has never been works. So it is not going to revert back to works.

It has ALWAYS been by grace.

the 144000 and 2 witness do not go around preaching works of the law. they go around spreading the gospel to lead people to Christ.
I'm not sure it's worth debating with him. He has been stuck on the same 5 talking points since I first saw him post.
 

ChosenbyHim

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No it does not. Hebrews proved this. It has never been works. So it is not going to revert back to works.


Yes it does EG. Its Faith and Works for salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble.


It has ALWAYS been by grace.

the 144000 and 2 witness do not go around preaching works of the law. they go around spreading the gospel to lead people to Christ.
EG, things that are different ARE NOT the same.

The Gospel of the Kingdom is not the same Gospel which we preach today in the Church Age.
 
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XD I predicted that response
dogma to the MAX!
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Yes it does EG. Its Faith and Works for salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble.
No it does not. because that would be holding them to a higher standard than all OT believers. After Christ came. And at a time when they are suffering greater persecution and tribulation that anyone ever has.

the penalty of sin is death. No amount of works has ever, is ever, or will ever help anyone get saved.


EG, things that are different ARE NOT the same.

The Gospel of the Kingdom is not the same Gospel which we preach today in the Church Age.
Yeah it is. It always has been. Faith.. Abraham was saved by faith not works. As is everyone who will ever be in heaven.

Your preaching that man can somehow make up for his sin with his own works. That makes you a pharisee.

 
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I'm not sure it's worth debating with him. He has been stuck on the same 5 talking points since I first saw him post.
You mean he has more than 1 Idol??..lol

Your right. But I am doing it for everyone else who reads his stuff. Not for him. He is to proud to see his mistakes.

 

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No it does not. because that would be holding them to a higher standard than all OT believers. After Christ came. And at a time when they are suffering greater persecution and tribulation that anyone ever has.



Yes it does EG. It's what the Bible clearly teaches. There will be an element of works for salvation during the time of Jacob's trouble.
Jesus Christ the Lord said that he that shall endure unto the end shall be saved (Matt. 24:13, & Mk. 13:13).

And this teaching is doctrinally pointed at the Jews in the time of Jacob's trouble. If one has to endure to the end to be saved, well then that involves works.


the penalty of sin is death. No amount of works has ever, is ever, or will ever help anyone get saved.

The penalty of sin is indeed death.

And again; there will be an element of works along with faith for salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble.


Revelation 14:9-12 KJV
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.



Yeah it is. It always has been. Faith.. Abraham was saved by faith not works. As is everyone who will ever be in heaven.

Your preaching that man can somehow make up for his sin with his own works. That makes you a pharisee.


No EG, the Bible teaches faith and works for the time of Jacob's trouble.

Right now in the Church Age, salvation is by Grace through Faith only. There are absolutely NO WORKS involved for salvation today in the Church Age. But when the rapture happens, the Church Age will end and a new dispensation will begin where faith AND works are required for salvation.
 
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Yes it does EG. It's what the Bible clearly teaches. There will be an element of works for salvation during the time of Jacob's trouble.
Jesus Christ the Lord said that he that shall endure unto the end shall be saved (Matt. 24:13, & Mk. 13:13).

And this teaching is doctrinally pointed at the Jews in the time of Jacob's trouble. If one has to endure to the end to be saved, well then that involves works.





The penalty of sin is indeed death.

And again; there will be an element of works along with faith for salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble.


Revelation 14:9-12 KJV
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.






No EG, the Bible teaches faith and works for the time of Jacob's trouble.

Right now in the Church Age, salvation is by Grace through Faith only. There are absolutely NO WORKS involved for salvation today in the Church Age. But when the rapture happens, the Church Age will end and a new dispensation will begin where faith AND works are required for salvation.
High Hopes for 21st-Century Dispensationalism

A Response to "Hope and Dispensationalism:
An Historical Overview and Assessment" (by Gary L. Nebeker)


My response to Nebeker's paper is structured around two major themes: (1) challenges for dispensationalism today which emerge from certain patterns in its history (as surveyed by Nebeker et al.), particularly the challenge to provide "hope" to contemporary Christians in a biblically accurate and well-nuanced way; and (2) suggested strategies for promoting dispensationalism's future exegetical, theological, and ministerial success (in light of Nebeker's conclusions and questions).

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dispensationalism must adjust itself in the 21st century, if it is to remain a worthwhile contingent of evangelical thinking and life.

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http://www.biblical.edu/images/stor...ispensationalism and pre-trib rapture.ets.pdf < click


your group thinks it should "cease and desist" from teaching pretrib rapture.
find out why.
 
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Yes it does EG. It's what the Bible clearly teaches. There will be an element of works for salvation during the time of Jacob's trouble.
Jesus Christ the Lord said that he that shall endure unto the end shall be saved (Matt. 24:13, & Mk. 13:13).

And this teaching is doctrinally pointed at the Jews in the time of Jacob's trouble. If one has to endure to the end to be saved, well then that involves works.
open your eyes man. That is not talking about eternal salvation. It means enduring through the tribulation and somehow keeping yourself alive until the time of Christs return. are all the do not endure and get killed going to hell??

Your as bad as the legalist using this to say people have to work to earn salvation or keep it.


The penalty of sin is indeed death.

And again; there will be an element of works along with faith for salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble.
thats impossible. for that would say the penalty of sin is death, plus whatever work they must do. to be forgiven of the crime, all we have to do is pay the penalty. Not more than the penalty that would be unjust punishment. Not to mention. How can you think any man, today yesterday or tomorrow could do works worthy of salvation? If you think thus You do not know God very well or his just standard. or the meaning of the law.

Revelation 14:9-12 KJV
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Yep. We all are saved who do this.

they do not keep the commands TO GET SAVED, they keep them BECAUSE THEY ARE SAVED, It COMES FOME TRUE FAITH. read the NT man, It is NO DIFFERENT!

No EG, the Bible teaches faith and works for the time of Jacob's trouble.

No. It never teaches this EVER!


Right now in the Church Age, salvation is by Grace through Faith only. There are absolutely NO WORKS involved for salvation today in the Church Age. But when the rapture happens, the Church Age will end and a new dispensation will begin where faith AND works are required for salvation.

Dude, In NO dispensation has it been faith plus works. And it will never be faith plus works. Even IF the rapture occures. It will still be saved by faith, it will just be harder to have faith. Yet John sees thousands of people saved by the martyres, the 144-- and the two witnesses.

Tribulation has a way of turning people to God.

 
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Flesh intellect is fruitless to God Sister, It is through the death of Christ that we are made Holy before God the Father, presented this way for new life in Father being given to us by the resurrection of Christ new life in the Spirit of Christ whereby we are considered dead to flesh and alive to God
just my two cents of what I see that has made me free in God and by this one walks as Christ walked. I had to give up my intellect and just trust God in what God has done through Son, and the changes God did not me wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. Hosea 4:6

I would also recommend reading Proverbs - loaded with verses concerning knowledge.
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UMMM Chosen,James applies to you also. It has always been and always will be we are justified by faith,OT and NT believers. The proof that one has saving faith is in obeying. Otherwise you have to throw out what Jesus Himself said. Remember Jesus said IF you love me you will KEEP AND OBEY my commands. Like it or not you CAN NOT throw those verses out.


And whether you like it or not Sarah, you cannot deny the fact that the book of James clearly says that a man is justified by works, and NOT BY FAITH ONLY (James 2:24).


And you cannot deny the Dispensational Distinction which I showed you that takes place between Rev. 1:5 and Rev. 7:14.



John 14

15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”


1 John 2

3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God[a] is truly made complete in them.This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.



John 8

50 I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge.51 Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.”

You can NOT separate believing and obeying. Faith is always ACTIVE never passive. Love in the Bible is ACTIVE not passage and both imply DOING.



And keep in mind Sarah, that we have to acknowledge the following Dispensational Distinction:


7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. - Ephesians 2:7-10 (King James Bible)




20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. - James 2:20-24 (King James Bible)


 

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And whether you like it or not Sarah, you cannot deny the fact that the book of James clearly says that a man is justified by works, and NOT BY FAITH ONLY (James 2:24).


And you cannot deny the Dispensational Distinction which I showed you that takes place between Rev. 1:5 and Rev. 7:14.





And keep in mind Sarah, that we have to acknowledge the following Dispensational Distinction:


7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. - Ephesians 2:7-10 (King James Bible)




20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. - James 2:20-24 (King James Bible)


 

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so you have 3 first resurrections.

even though the first resurrection is only mentioned in one place, one time in all of scripture.




what's the chapter and verse where second resurrection is mentioned?

second resurrection
second resurrection
second resurrection

where?

The first resurrection has three parts to it. I already showed why that is the case from the Scriptures in an earlier post of mine.


The very fact that a First Resurrection is mentioned in the Scriptures, implies that there is a Second Resurrection also.
 

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Why do you keep trying to destroy threads with your idolotry?

Why do you continue to derail threads with your agnosticism towards the Bible??



The word church comes from the greek ekklesia (we have enough copies to know this is the true words) The word means called out ones. or an assembly.


I am well aware that the word church means: a called out assembly. IN fact, you don't even have to know the Greek to understand that. The word church in the text of the Holy Scriptures is defined already. Just trust and believe the text of the King James Bible.




The church is a poor translation. because if it is true, any church would be considered the true church, as apposed to those who are called out, and sent out by God. or his true family.


The word church is a great translation.


Just because there are false churches out there, does not make the rendering of "church" in the Holy Scriptures a poor one.


Are you aware that there are false Christians or as the Scriptures declare: "false brethren" out there?


Now does that mean that the word "Christian" as found in the Holy Scriptures is somehow a poor translation?


OF COURSE NOT!


The text of the Holy Bible is perfect and inerrant.


Both the words Christian(s) and church as found in the Holy Scriptures are perfect translations.