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I refuse to hear that wolf talk. John Hagee is the embodiment of the fallacy of "Christian" Zionism. I remember a while back when folks called him out on Dual Covenant. He neither confirmed nor denied. SMH. How can someone who preaches about the Prince of Peace use the same mouth to attempt to incite war against Iran....
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The point of reference is the name of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel written upon the twelve gates of the new Jerusalem. As far as some of you are concerned these twelve tribes do not exist and you spiritualize these twelve tribes as the church with no reference to the children of Israel. Why would God in the new Jerusalem have anything to do with putting the names of the twelve tribes of the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL upon the gates of the new city, when according to you they are irrelevant and have no place in the plan of God after Christ was resurrected and had established the church? Even the 144,000 in Rev 7:4, made up of 12,000 from each tribe, is only some allegory to you and not a literal in terms of its number or ethnic origin. Since when is the church considered as a body of twelve tribes or have anything to do with twelve tribes? Why did James address the brethren of the twelve tribes which were scattered abroad in James 1:1? Didn't James know that they were not an item any longer and there was no need to refer to them as such?
In 1905 Australia did exist and they would dig people up from a two year old grave and put them on display in a museum.
Do you think "the Local Jews" don't know about your history?
Do you think "the Local Jews" don't know about your history?
Dispensationalists:
Versus actual "local Jews":
Tolerancenter - The Museum of Tolerance
GlobalHate.com
Based on ongoing Simon Wiesenthal Center research and investigation of hate on the internet, Globalhate.com is equipped with touch screen computer terminals that unmask the dangerous proliferation of hate on the internet and introduce questions for critical thinking in a media saturated society.
"In Our Time
A powerful and gripping film on Bosnia, Rwanda and contemporary hate groups that pinpoints contemporary human rights violations going on throughout the world today."
Confront Genocide — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
The Responsibility to Protect
"Sixty-eight years after the Holocaust, governments continue to struggle with how to prevent genocide and mass atrocities. The Responsibility to Protect (R2P) is one tool that has emerged to respond to and prevent the world’s worst crimes."
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GBU CoooCaw, that's your best post in this thread so far--so everyone can see the bloodthirsty and antisemitic nature of dispensationalism.
Dispensationalists:
Versus actual "local Jews":
Tolerancenter - The Museum of Tolerance
GlobalHate.com
Based on ongoing Simon Wiesenthal Center research and investigation of hate on the internet, Globalhate.com is equipped with touch screen computer terminals that unmask the dangerous proliferation of hate on the internet and introduce questions for critical thinking in a media saturated society.
"In Our Time
A powerful and gripping film on Bosnia, Rwanda and contemporary hate groups that pinpoints contemporary human rights violations going on throughout the world today."
Confront Genocide — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
The Responsibility to Protect
"Sixty-eight years after the Holocaust, governments continue to struggle with how to prevent genocide and mass atrocities. The Responsibility to Protect (R2P) is one tool that has emerged to respond to and prevent the world’s worst crimes."
Dispensationalists:
Versus actual "local Jews":
Tolerancenter - The Museum of Tolerance
GlobalHate.com
Based on ongoing Simon Wiesenthal Center research and investigation of hate on the internet, Globalhate.com is equipped with touch screen computer terminals that unmask the dangerous proliferation of hate on the internet and introduce questions for critical thinking in a media saturated society.
"In Our Time
A powerful and gripping film on Bosnia, Rwanda and contemporary hate groups that pinpoints contemporary human rights violations going on throughout the world today."
Confront Genocide — United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
The Responsibility to Protect
"Sixty-eight years after the Holocaust, governments continue to struggle with how to prevent genocide and mass atrocities. The Responsibility to Protect (R2P) is one tool that has emerged to respond to and prevent the world’s worst crimes."
so you have left the original topic far behind and are busy desperately creating a smokescreen
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"Thread: Support your Local Jew!"
Jewish Holocaust Centre, Elsternwick, Victoria, Australia -> Jewish Holocaust Centre - Support the JHC
[video=youtube;dwfIf1WMhgc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwfIf1WMhgc[/video]
Jewish Holocaust Centre, Elsternwick, Victoria, Australia -> Jewish Holocaust Centre - Support the JHC
[video=youtube;dwfIf1WMhgc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwfIf1WMhgc[/video]
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The description of the video points to the site Prophecy Update - Home which promotes Hal Lindsey and Chuck Missler.
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excuse me Praus, what was there about THE ACTUAL VIDEO that you wish to take issue with
your only issue is that ONE OF THE DISTRIBUTERS of the video
HAVE IN THE PAST distributed videos from other people you do not like
your only issue is that ONE OF THE DISTRIBUTERS of the video
HAVE IN THE PAST distributed videos from other people you do not like
The description of the video points to the site Prophecy Update - Home which promotes Hal Lindsey and Chuck Missler.
Ephesians 2:20
19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, 20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord...
hard?
yes? no?
19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, 20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord...
hard?
yes? no?
Revelation 7:4, "And I heard the number of those who were sealed: And there were sealed 144,000 of all the tribes of the children of Israyl."
Revelation 7:9, "After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and with palm branches in their hands"
Blood Israylites and spiritual Israylites both partaking of the greatest thing ever offered to mankind!
HalleluYAHWEH!
Revelation 7:9, "After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and with palm branches in their hands"
Blood Israylites and spiritual Israylites both partaking of the greatest thing ever offered to mankind!
HalleluYAHWEH!
ya...a reminder of the level of Biblical knowledge Scofieldians have.
9 minutes of embarrassing propaganda...followed by the obligatory corruption of Genesis 12:1-3.
and the idolatrous rejection of Jesus Christ as the center of everything....in favour of "Israel God's Timepiece".
and a litany of already fulfilled prophecies (about CHRIST, and His people - BELIEVERS) stripped from their context and applied to a nation-state of unbelievers.
of course, that amusing and charming (not) little quirky twist - the pretrib rapture is in there (gentiles have to disappear so the jews can be slaughtered, right?)
the Ultimate Replacement Theology.
do you own a Bible CooCaw?
9 minutes of embarrassing propaganda...followed by the obligatory corruption of Genesis 12:1-3.
and the idolatrous rejection of Jesus Christ as the center of everything....in favour of "Israel God's Timepiece".
and a litany of already fulfilled prophecies (about CHRIST, and His people - BELIEVERS) stripped from their context and applied to a nation-state of unbelievers.
of course, that amusing and charming (not) little quirky twist - the pretrib rapture is in there (gentiles have to disappear so the jews can be slaughtered, right?)
the Ultimate Replacement Theology.
do you own a Bible CooCaw?
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notice none of his followers say a word about it?
no, instead there's this creepy threat about hellfire for not "getting the Israel question right".
you know, anyone can just spend one day and find out how and when the whole dispie system came in.
if Christians in China went to their deaths (many having fallen away) under Mao unprepared because they were expecting the rapture....and Mao was....oh...n.m.
no, instead there's this creepy threat about hellfire for not "getting the Israel question right".
you know, anyone can just spend one day and find out how and when the whole dispie system came in.
if Christians in China went to their deaths (many having fallen away) under Mao unprepared because they were expecting the rapture....and Mao was....oh...n.m.
The description of the video points to the site Prophecy Update - Home which promotes Hal Lindsey and Chuck Missler.
1. Distinctive Features and Emphases:
a. Dispensationalists argue for the necessity of the literal interpretation of all of the prophetic portions of Scripture. Charles Ryrie makes this point very clearly:
When the principles of literal interpretation both in regard to general and special hermeneutics are followed, the result the premillennial system of doctrine... If one interprets literally, he arrives at the premillennial system.
This means that all promises made to David and Abraham under the Old Covenant are to be literally fulfilled in the future millennial age.
b. Dispensationalists insist that God has two redemptive plans, one for national Israel, and one for Gentiles during the "church age." This presupposition forms the basis for the dispensational hermeneutic. As John Walvoord states regarding the dispensational hermeneutic, "Pretribulationism distinguishes clearly between Israel and the church and their respective programs."
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Eschatology Comparison
This page is broken down into two sections. Chart #1 lists the main distinctives of Dispensational Premillennialism and Historic Premillennialism. Chart #2 lists the main distinctives of Postmillennialism and Amillennialism.
Eschatology Chart
""Pretribulationism distinguishes clearly between Israel and the church and their respective programs."?
"God has two redemptive plans, one for national Israel, and one for Gentiles during the "church age."
^ seriously? ^ who believes this stuff? really...how long does it take to realize what blasphemy this is. folly.
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"e. Jesus came to earth bringing with him an "offer" of the kingdom to the Jews, who rejected him. God then turned to dealing with the Gentiles -- thus, the church age is a parenthesis of sorts. The rapture is the next event to occur in Biblical prophecy. The signs of the end of the age (i.e., the birth of the nation of Israel, the revival of the Roman empire predicted in Daniel as seen through the emergence of the EEC [common market], the impending Russian-Arab invasion of Israel, etc.) all point to the immediacy of the secret return of Christ for his church. Antichrist is awaiting his revelation once the believing church is removed."
Eschatology Chart
CooCaw...NONE of this is actually in the Bible. none of it.
it's all fiction. a storyline just blatantly laid alongside what the Bible really says.
and is going to be very bad for your spiritual health.
if you are logical, even for a little while....you'll see that this means Jesus did not accomplish what he came to do.
go back and read John Hagee's remarks about Jesus not being the Messiah.
this is antichrist, friend. how long til you take the time to get the Israel of God (CHRIST) question right?
do you know what this God is saying?
Hosea 11:1
1When Israel was a youth I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son. 2The more they called them, The more they went from them; They kept sacrificing to the Baals And burning incense to idols
Matthew 2:15
14So Joseph got up and took the Child and His mother while it was still night, and left for Egypt. 15He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."
if you don't believe God made Jesus to be The Israel (like He is the Second Adam); and you ditch Him...and insert people who identify as jews today, don't you know what this means?
ISRAEL - the "nation" (you think in the Middle East today) is your redemption.
and isn't this where dispensationalism goes?
of course it is. that's why threads like this one:
Re: Support your Local Jew!
because you think your salvation hinges on "blessing" the nation of Israel.
s'nother gospel, CooCaw.
better figure this out.
Eschatology Chart
CooCaw...NONE of this is actually in the Bible. none of it.
it's all fiction. a storyline just blatantly laid alongside what the Bible really says.
and is going to be very bad for your spiritual health.
if you are logical, even for a little while....you'll see that this means Jesus did not accomplish what he came to do.
go back and read John Hagee's remarks about Jesus not being the Messiah.
this is antichrist, friend. how long til you take the time to get the Israel of God (CHRIST) question right?
do you know what this God is saying?
Hosea 11:1
1When Israel was a youth I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son. 2The more they called them, The more they went from them; They kept sacrificing to the Baals And burning incense to idols
Matthew 2:15
14So Joseph got up and took the Child and His mother while it was still night, and left for Egypt. 15He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."
if you don't believe God made Jesus to be The Israel (like He is the Second Adam); and you ditch Him...and insert people who identify as jews today, don't you know what this means?
ISRAEL - the "nation" (you think in the Middle East today) is your redemption.
and isn't this where dispensationalism goes?
of course it is. that's why threads like this one:
Re: Support your Local Jew!
because you think your salvation hinges on "blessing" the nation of Israel.
s'nother gospel, CooCaw.
better figure this out.