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i am pretty sure this is off topic
unless she was one of the lost 10 tribes
unless she was one of the lost 10 tribes
In 1905 Australia did exist and they would dig people up from a two year old grave and put them on display in a museum.
Do you think "the Local Jews" don't know about your history?
Biography - Trugernanner (Truganini) - Australian Dictionary of Biography
(Truganini) Trugernanner (1812?-1876), Tasmanian Aboriginal, was born in Van Diemen's Land on the western side of the D'Entrecasteaux Channel, in the territory of the south-east tribe.
... By 1869 she and William Lanney were the only full bloods alive. The mutilation of Lanney's body after his death in March led Trugernanner to express concern; she told Rev. H. D. Atkinson, 'I know that when I die the Museum wants my body'.
In 1874 she moved to Hobart Town with her guardians, the Dandridge family, and died in Mrs Dandridge's house in Macquarie Street on 8 May 1876, aged 64. She was buried at the old female penitentiary at the Cascades at Midnight on 10 May. Her body was exhumed in December 1878 by the Royal Society of Tasmania, authorized by the government to take possession of her skeleton on condition that it be not exposed to public view but 'decently deposited in a secure resting place accessible by special permission to scientific men for scientific purposes'. But it was placed in the Tasmanian Museum where it was on public display in 1904-47.
Do you think "the Local Jews" don't know about your history?
Biography - Trugernanner (Truganini) - Australian Dictionary of Biography
(Truganini) Trugernanner (1812?-1876), Tasmanian Aboriginal, was born in Van Diemen's Land on the western side of the D'Entrecasteaux Channel, in the territory of the south-east tribe.
... By 1869 she and William Lanney were the only full bloods alive. The mutilation of Lanney's body after his death in March led Trugernanner to express concern; she told Rev. H. D. Atkinson, 'I know that when I die the Museum wants my body'.
In 1874 she moved to Hobart Town with her guardians, the Dandridge family, and died in Mrs Dandridge's house in Macquarie Street on 8 May 1876, aged 64. She was buried at the old female penitentiary at the Cascades at Midnight on 10 May. Her body was exhumed in December 1878 by the Royal Society of Tasmania, authorized by the government to take possession of her skeleton on condition that it be not exposed to public view but 'decently deposited in a secure resting place accessible by special permission to scientific men for scientific purposes'. But it was placed in the Tasmanian Museum where it was on public display in 1904-47.
The Talmud is evil and transgresses Yahweh's Law
Mattithyah 15:1-3, "Then scribes and Pharisees from Yerusalem came to Yahshua, and said; Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
Mattithyah 15:1-3, "Then scribes and Pharisees from Yerusalem came to Yahshua, and said; Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
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Thanks. I'm still not sure if I agree with what you're saying, but the breakup did make it a little easier to read.
Oh wow. Thanks Elin. I most certainly don't agree (with BradC). Condemning/criticising Israel, the Talmud, or Jews is idolatry? Lol. Only if one of those 3 is your god. I don't know how I missed that. Perhaps it was the paragraphs/spacing issue...
Oh wow. Thanks Elin. I most certainly don't agree (with BradC). Condemning/criticising Israel, the Talmud, or Jews is idolatry? Lol. Only if one of those 3 is your god. I don't know how I missed that. Perhaps it was the paragraphs/spacing issue...
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The Gospel of the Kingdom: An Examination of Dispensationalism
by Philip Mauro
Dispensationalism is perhaps best known for its distinctive doctrines of a “secret rapture” of the Church, a future “great Tribulation” over which will preside an evil world leader known as the “Antichrist,” and the rebuilding of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem along with the reinstitution of the Old Testament sacrificial system under a restored Levitical priesthood. However, the most pernicious errors of this system are not eschatological, but soteriological. As this book demonstrates, Dispensationalism, as popularized in the early 1900s by C.I. Scofield in his Reference Bible, and believed today by a large segment of the professing Evangelical Church in America, is a radical departure from the historic Christian understanding of the Kingdom and leads to an undermining of the biblical Gospel itself.
The Gospel of the Kingdom: An Examination of Dispensationalism by Philip Mauro - Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists
"their crudities and vagaries, and make their poor dupes believe a wonderful discovery had been made in the 'rightly dividing of the word of truth.'. . . How dreadfully superficial and faulty their 'findings' are [is apparent] from the popular (far too popular to be of much value -- Luke 16:15!) Scofield Bible."
- AWPink, The Divine Covenants (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1973), 10.
by Philip Mauro
Dispensationalism is perhaps best known for its distinctive doctrines of a “secret rapture” of the Church, a future “great Tribulation” over which will preside an evil world leader known as the “Antichrist,” and the rebuilding of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem along with the reinstitution of the Old Testament sacrificial system under a restored Levitical priesthood. However, the most pernicious errors of this system are not eschatological, but soteriological. As this book demonstrates, Dispensationalism, as popularized in the early 1900s by C.I. Scofield in his Reference Bible, and believed today by a large segment of the professing Evangelical Church in America, is a radical departure from the historic Christian understanding of the Kingdom and leads to an undermining of the biblical Gospel itself.
The Gospel of the Kingdom: An Examination of Dispensationalism by Philip Mauro - Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists
"their crudities and vagaries, and make their poor dupes believe a wonderful discovery had been made in the 'rightly dividing of the word of truth.'. . . How dreadfully superficial and faulty their 'findings' are [is apparent] from the popular (far too popular to be of much value -- Luke 16:15!) Scofield Bible."
- AWPink, The Divine Covenants (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1973), 10.
JOHN HAGEE - IN DEFENSE OF ISRAEL
- “If God intended for Jesus to be the Messiah of Israel, why didn’t he authorize Jesus to use supernatural signs to prove he was God’s Messiah, just as Moses had done?” (p. 137).
- “Jesus refused to produce a sign . . . because it was not the Father’s will, nor his, to be Messiah” (p 138).
- “If Jesus wanted to be Messiah, why did he repeatedly tell his disciples and followers to ‘tell no one’ about his supernatural accomplishments?” (p. 139).
- “The Jews were not rejecting Jesus as Messiah; it was Jesus who was refusing to be the Messiah to the Jews” (p. 140).
- “They wanted him to be their Messiah, but he flatly refused” (p. 141).
- “He refused to be their Messiah, choosing instead to be the Savior of the world” (p. 143).
- “Jesus rejected to the last detail the role of Messiah in word or deed” (p. 145).
...
John 5:23b
Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar, if not the one who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? This one is the antichrist: the one who denies the Father and the Son.
- “If God intended for Jesus to be the Messiah of Israel, why didn’t he authorize Jesus to use supernatural signs to prove he was God’s Messiah, just as Moses had done?” (p. 137).
- “Jesus refused to produce a sign . . . because it was not the Father’s will, nor his, to be Messiah” (p 138).
- “If Jesus wanted to be Messiah, why did he repeatedly tell his disciples and followers to ‘tell no one’ about his supernatural accomplishments?” (p. 139).
- “The Jews were not rejecting Jesus as Messiah; it was Jesus who was refusing to be the Messiah to the Jews” (p. 140).
- “They wanted him to be their Messiah, but he flatly refused” (p. 141).
- “He refused to be their Messiah, choosing instead to be the Savior of the world” (p. 143).
- “Jesus rejected to the last detail the role of Messiah in word or deed” (p. 145).
...
John 5:23b
Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar, if not the one who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? This one is the antichrist: the one who denies the Father and the Son.
John Hagee teaches “another” Gospel
"You know, when a Preacher and Pastor no longer sees Jesus Christ as the only ‘key’ (or way) to salvation, they have left the faith and are teaching another Gospel. And what will the preaching and/or teaching of another gospel always produce? -
Another Gospel (will always lead to one accepting) Another Jesus and Another spirit.
I bring this to your attention because of a quote by John Hagee, which Adam pointed out last night under the post, Are there one people of God or two?.
Its taken from a message Hagee posted at Charisma last Tuesday: The Lord Has Chosen Zion.The entire article includes many misapplications of scripture, which is disturbing in itself; but its this below which proves without the shadow of a doubt, John Hagee is apostate:
It is important to be right on the Israel question when you consider that being wrong brings you under the curse of God and headed for eternal, everlasting fire with the devil and his angels. Israel is not a “take it or leave it” subject. It is a life and death matter-eternal life!
If you believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God and that those who reject its truths have entered into idolatry and rebellion; if you believe Jehovah God is a God of integrity and that it would be impossible for Him to break covenant; if you believe that Jesus Christ is our example and that we are to follow Him, then there is no biblical alternative but to support the nation of Israel..
Instead of our salvation and eternal life being dependent upon Christ and our faith in Him, Hagee now teaches that our salvation is dependent upon our financially and politically supporting modern day Israel. He even says if we don’t, we will be sent to hell. THAT my friends, is another Gospel."
John Hagee teaches “another” Gospel | Sola Dei Gloria
"You know, when a Preacher and Pastor no longer sees Jesus Christ as the only ‘key’ (or way) to salvation, they have left the faith and are teaching another Gospel. And what will the preaching and/or teaching of another gospel always produce? -
Another Gospel (will always lead to one accepting) Another Jesus and Another spirit.
I bring this to your attention because of a quote by John Hagee, which Adam pointed out last night under the post, Are there one people of God or two?.
Its taken from a message Hagee posted at Charisma last Tuesday: The Lord Has Chosen Zion.The entire article includes many misapplications of scripture, which is disturbing in itself; but its this below which proves without the shadow of a doubt, John Hagee is apostate:
It is important to be right on the Israel question when you consider that being wrong brings you under the curse of God and headed for eternal, everlasting fire with the devil and his angels. Israel is not a “take it or leave it” subject. It is a life and death matter-eternal life!
If you believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God and that those who reject its truths have entered into idolatry and rebellion; if you believe Jehovah God is a God of integrity and that it would be impossible for Him to break covenant; if you believe that Jesus Christ is our example and that we are to follow Him, then there is no biblical alternative but to support the nation of Israel..
Instead of our salvation and eternal life being dependent upon Christ and our faith in Him, Hagee now teaches that our salvation is dependent upon our financially and politically supporting modern day Israel. He even says if we don’t, we will be sent to hell. THAT my friends, is another Gospel."
John Hagee teaches “another” Gospel | Sola Dei Gloria
JOHN HAGEE - CHRISTIAN ZIONISM - FALSE DOCTRINE:
How important is it that Christians bless the nation of Israel and the Jewish people? God told Abraham that all anti-Semites (those who are hostile toward the Jews) are under His curse..
Few Christians recognize that there are five judgments in Scripture. The first has occurred, and four are yet to be.
The first judgment was on sin at the cross (see Rom. 8:1). The second judgment will take place at the judgment seat of Christ, where all believers will give an account of the lives they lived before God on Earth (see 1 Cor. 3:10-15; 2 Cor. 5:10).
The third judgment is the judgment of the Jewish people (see Ezek. 20:34-38; Jer. 30:4-7; Daniel 12:1). The fourth judgment is the judgment of the nations. All the nations of the earth will be judged before God Almighty and His holy angels for the manner in which they treated the Jewish people.
The fifth judgment is the Great White Throne judgment for the wicked dead, who will be released from hell to appear before God for formal sentencing before they are cast into the lake of fire forever (see Rev. 20:11-15).
The fourth judgment is the one that most concerns us here. The time of this judgment is immediately after the Messiah returns to Earth to establish His literal kingdom in the city of Jerusalem. It is critical to your well-being that you understand what the Bible teaches about the believer’s treatment of God’s chosen people so you will not come under this judgment.
Who do you think are the hungry, naked, thirsty, sick, imprisoned strangers Jesus refers to in Matthew 25? They are not the church; they are the Jewish people.
The Lord Has Chosen Zion
John Hagee teaches “another” Gospel | Sola Dei Gloria
How important is it that Christians bless the nation of Israel and the Jewish people? God told Abraham that all anti-Semites (those who are hostile toward the Jews) are under His curse..
Few Christians recognize that there are five judgments in Scripture. The first has occurred, and four are yet to be.
The first judgment was on sin at the cross (see Rom. 8:1). The second judgment will take place at the judgment seat of Christ, where all believers will give an account of the lives they lived before God on Earth (see 1 Cor. 3:10-15; 2 Cor. 5:10).
The third judgment is the judgment of the Jewish people (see Ezek. 20:34-38; Jer. 30:4-7; Daniel 12:1). The fourth judgment is the judgment of the nations. All the nations of the earth will be judged before God Almighty and His holy angels for the manner in which they treated the Jewish people.
The fifth judgment is the Great White Throne judgment for the wicked dead, who will be released from hell to appear before God for formal sentencing before they are cast into the lake of fire forever (see Rev. 20:11-15).
The fourth judgment is the one that most concerns us here. The time of this judgment is immediately after the Messiah returns to Earth to establish His literal kingdom in the city of Jerusalem. It is critical to your well-being that you understand what the Bible teaches about the believer’s treatment of God’s chosen people so you will not come under this judgment.
Who do you think are the hungry, naked, thirsty, sick, imprisoned strangers Jesus refers to in Matthew 25? They are not the church; they are the Jewish people.
The Lord Has Chosen Zion
John Hagee teaches “another” Gospel | Sola Dei Gloria
Matthew 12
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.a 48But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him.a 48But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Dear friends,
If you are reading this, it means that I have gone on to my reward. As I write this, I can only think of what the Scriptures say and that is, "Eye has not seen, ear has not heard, neither have they entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him." (1 Corinthians 2:9) Well, I have a big curiosity and by now, I know.
I don't suppose that I will be writing you any new material, but there are a few articles in the works that might still come through.
As I go, I feel that I have left a number of things undone.....
....As I go, one of the things that concerns me deeply is how much misunderstanding there is among believers. I never thought I would live to see the day when those who know the Lord and are born again were supporting the efforts of rabbis who, frankly, not only don't know Christ, but don't want to know Him.
To be an honest ministry, it can only come from the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit can only indwell those who have the new birth and are born again. Therefore, I would urge you to think very seriously before you support any "ministry" that involves Jewish people and doesn't actually bring the gospel to the Jews.
Likewise, I am concerned over something else that I never thought that I would see or hear and that is, Jews who have become believers in Jesus and have important positions in ministry yet feel that their primary purpose is to promote Jewishness and Judaism to the Jews.
I hope I can count on you to show love and respect for the Jewish people, but Jewishness never saved anybody. Judaism never saved anybody no matter how sincere. Romans 10:9 & 10 make it clear that we must believe in our hearts and confess with our mouths the Lord Jesus in order to be saved. There are no shortcuts. There is no easy way. Within Judaism today, there is no salvation because Christ has no place within Judaism.
Aside from these concerns, I want to say that I feel as I have always felt that we stand on the edge of a breakthrough in Jewish evangelism. Just a little more. Just another push. Just another soul - and we will have reached critical mass where we begin generating that energy that the whole world might know the Lord.
I would also encourage you to be faithful to those Bible-teaching, Bible-preaching churches that give spiritual food. More than ever, the church needs faithful members who can be an example to the young people coming in. Maybe there are some features about your church that keep you from being enthusiastic - look around and see if there might be a better church for you. If there is, join it and enjoy it. If your church is doing a lot right, then stay where you’re planted.
I don't expect that Jews for Jesus will be undergoing any turmoil because of my demise. For many years, the leadership has been in competent hands, but this is a time when there needs to be some encouragement. The executive director and the staff need to hear that you intend to continue standing with us.
Anything done for Christ will last. Anything you do to help and encourage Jews for Jesus at this time will have lasting effects on all of us. So instead of saying "good bye," I'll just say, "until then - I'll see you in the sky."
Moishe Rosen - 1932-2010
Jews For Jesus
Jews for Jesus Canada
If you are reading this, it means that I have gone on to my reward. As I write this, I can only think of what the Scriptures say and that is, "Eye has not seen, ear has not heard, neither have they entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him." (1 Corinthians 2:9) Well, I have a big curiosity and by now, I know.
I don't suppose that I will be writing you any new material, but there are a few articles in the works that might still come through.
As I go, I feel that I have left a number of things undone.....
....As I go, one of the things that concerns me deeply is how much misunderstanding there is among believers. I never thought I would live to see the day when those who know the Lord and are born again were supporting the efforts of rabbis who, frankly, not only don't know Christ, but don't want to know Him.
To be an honest ministry, it can only come from the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit can only indwell those who have the new birth and are born again. Therefore, I would urge you to think very seriously before you support any "ministry" that involves Jewish people and doesn't actually bring the gospel to the Jews.
Likewise, I am concerned over something else that I never thought that I would see or hear and that is, Jews who have become believers in Jesus and have important positions in ministry yet feel that their primary purpose is to promote Jewishness and Judaism to the Jews.
I hope I can count on you to show love and respect for the Jewish people, but Jewishness never saved anybody. Judaism never saved anybody no matter how sincere. Romans 10:9 & 10 make it clear that we must believe in our hearts and confess with our mouths the Lord Jesus in order to be saved. There are no shortcuts. There is no easy way. Within Judaism today, there is no salvation because Christ has no place within Judaism.
Aside from these concerns, I want to say that I feel as I have always felt that we stand on the edge of a breakthrough in Jewish evangelism. Just a little more. Just another push. Just another soul - and we will have reached critical mass where we begin generating that energy that the whole world might know the Lord.
I would also encourage you to be faithful to those Bible-teaching, Bible-preaching churches that give spiritual food. More than ever, the church needs faithful members who can be an example to the young people coming in. Maybe there are some features about your church that keep you from being enthusiastic - look around and see if there might be a better church for you. If there is, join it and enjoy it. If your church is doing a lot right, then stay where you’re planted.
I don't expect that Jews for Jesus will be undergoing any turmoil because of my demise. For many years, the leadership has been in competent hands, but this is a time when there needs to be some encouragement. The executive director and the staff need to hear that you intend to continue standing with us.
Anything done for Christ will last. Anything you do to help and encourage Jews for Jesus at this time will have lasting effects on all of us. So instead of saying "good bye," I'll just say, "until then - I'll see you in the sky."
Moishe Rosen - 1932-2010
Jews For Jesus
Jews for Jesus Canada
Jesus
Paul
Peter
John
James
Daniel
Isaiah...
...nor any of the NT and OT prophets and writers ever taught such a thing as a pretribulation rapture.
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corrected:
"Many believe : Christ is coming back for his church prior to God's dealing with Israel during the tribulation because of imaginations within their frame of reference that have developed into strongholds in their faith. "
Paul
Peter
John
James
Daniel
Isaiah...
...nor any of the NT and OT prophets and writers ever taught such a thing as a pretribulation rapture.
...
corrected:
"Many believe : Christ is coming back for his church prior to God's dealing with Israel during the tribulation because of imaginations within their frame of reference that have developed into strongholds in their faith. "
what lost 10 tribes?
Isaiah 56:8
The Sovereign LORD declares-- he who gathers the exiles of Israel: "I will gather still others to them besides those already gathered."
Ezekiel 34:12
As a shepherd looks after his scattered flock when he is with them, so will I look after my sheep. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a day of clouds and darkness.
Ezekiel 34:23
I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd.
Matthew 15:24
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Matthew 10:6
Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.
John 10:3
The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
John 10:4
When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.
John 11:52
51Now he did not say this on his own initiative, but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation, 52 and not for the nation only, but in order that He might also gather together into one the children of God who are scattered abroad.
Acts 3:26
When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."
Romans 15:8
For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, so that the promises made to the patriarchs might be confirmed
John 10:16
15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
Isaiah 56:8
The Sovereign LORD declares-- he who gathers the exiles of Israel: "I will gather still others to them besides those already gathered."
Ezekiel 34:12
As a shepherd looks after his scattered flock when he is with them, so will I look after my sheep. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a day of clouds and darkness.
Ezekiel 34:23
I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd.
Matthew 15:24
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
Matthew 10:6
Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.
John 10:3
The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
John 10:4
When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.
John 11:52
51Now he did not say this on his own initiative, but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus was going to die for the nation, 52 and not for the nation only, but in order that He might also gather together into one the children of God who are scattered abroad.
Acts 3:26
When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."
Romans 15:8
For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews on behalf of God's truth, so that the promises made to the patriarchs might be confirmed
John 10:16
15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
B
To this day you and many others have never understood the mystery and revelation of Christ and the church that was given to the apostle Paul. You have intellectualized so much of the scriptures to fit your frame of reference that this mystery has eluded you and will have nothing to do with it and have mistaken it for a continuation of the Israel and the kingdom of God on the earth. I would rather be an advocate for a partially blinded Jew who has lost there way than I would a deliberately deceived professing Christian that knows nothing as they ought to know and goes around calling everyone a heretic who walks in the light of truth through the Spirit. That is dangerous ground that I for one fear to tread upon but there is no fear in your belly.
4) a partially blinded jew? lol. good call on Romans 11 (not). the blind leading the partially blind?
3) the church (called out ones) is not a continuation of the "the Israel and the kingdom of God on the earth"? this is just so excruciatingly wrong in so many ways i'll have to come back to it later
2) right - the head knowledge thing. "intellectualized so much of the scriptures"....just read them. they're actually surprisingly clear. this "Mystery" you invented is your escape hatch. call it a Mystery.....but that Mystery is not a Mystery any longer:
1) "the mystery and revelation of Christ and the church that was given to the apostle Paul"......why is this a mystery to you?..
what were all the Apostles to the Jews saying while Paul was supposedly injecting a Mystery Gentile Church Age gap into the mix?
the MYSTERY was that the Gentiles who believe would be fellow-heirs with the Jews who believe - through the MEANS of the foolishness of the Gospel of Christ Crucified - by GRACE THROUGH FAITH
the Gospel and salvation of the Gentiles was no mystery - God proclaimed the Gospel to Abram that all nations would be blessed through ABRAHAM'S SEED singular. - CHRIST
Romans 1:2
1Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, 2which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh
Romans 16
25Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages 26but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith— 27to the only wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ! Amen.
Ephesians 6:19
18With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints, 19and pray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, 20for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in proclaiming it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
Romans 1
1Paul, a servanta of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, 2which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3concerning his Son, who was descended from Davidb according to the flesh 4and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, 5through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations, 6including you who are called to belong to Jesus Christ,
7To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Longing to Go to Rome
8First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is proclaimed in all the world. 9For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I mention you 10always in my prayers, asking that somehow by God’s will I may now at last succeed in coming to you. 11For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to strengthen you— 12that is, that we may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith, both yours and mine. 13I want you to know, brothers,c that I have often intended to come to you (but thus far have been prevented), in order that I may reap some harvest among you as well as among the rest of the Gentiles. 14I am under obligation both to Greeks and to barbarians,d both to the wise and to the foolish. 15So I am eager to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome.
The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith,e as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”
3) the church (called out ones) is not a continuation of the "the Israel and the kingdom of God on the earth"? this is just so excruciatingly wrong in so many ways i'll have to come back to it later
2) right - the head knowledge thing. "intellectualized so much of the scriptures"....just read them. they're actually surprisingly clear. this "Mystery" you invented is your escape hatch. call it a Mystery
.....but that Mystery is not a Mystery any longer:1) "the mystery and revelation of Christ and the church that was given to the apostle Paul"......why is this a mystery to you?..
what were all the Apostles to the Jews saying while Paul was supposedly injecting a Mystery Gentile Church Age gap into the mix?
the MYSTERY was that the Gentiles who believe would be fellow-heirs with the Jews who believe - through the MEANS of the foolishness of the Gospel of Christ Crucified - by GRACE THROUGH FAITH
the Gospel and salvation of the Gentiles was no mystery - God proclaimed the Gospel to Abram that all nations would be blessed through ABRAHAM'S SEED singular. - CHRIST
Romans 1:2
1Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, 2which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh
Romans 16
25Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages 26but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith— 27to the only wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ! Amen.
Ephesians 6:19
18With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints, 19and pray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, 20for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in proclaiming it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
Romans 1
1Paul, a servanta of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, 2which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3concerning his Son, who was descended from Davidb according to the flesh 4and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, 5through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations, 6including you who are called to belong to Jesus Christ,
7To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Longing to Go to Rome
8First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is proclaimed in all the world. 9For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I mention you 10always in my prayers, asking that somehow by God’s will I may now at last succeed in coming to you. 11For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to strengthen you— 12that is, that we may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith, both yours and mine. 13I want you to know, brothers,c that I have often intended to come to you (but thus far have been prevented), in order that I may reap some harvest among you as well as among the rest of the Gentiles. 14I am under obligation both to Greeks and to barbarians,d both to the wise and to the foolish. 15So I am eager to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome.
The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith,e as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”
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CoooCow, they will never figure out who James was addressing in his epistle. Here, let me quote it in James 1:1.
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes scattered abroad (among the Gentiles in the dispersion), Greetings (rejoice)! What about Acts 26:7. What do they think the lord was speaking about in Luke 22:29,30 (Matt 19:28).
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
What in the world is the Lord doing in the city of New Jerusalem in (Rev 21) by putting the name of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel on the gates of the city? Does anyone really believe that the church or Gentile believers make up any part of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel? Then we have the wall of the city upon the twelve foundations with the name of the twelve apostles of the Lamb within those foundations.
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes scattered abroad (among the Gentiles in the dispersion), Greetings (rejoice)! What about Acts 26:7. What do they think the lord was speaking about in Luke 22:29,30 (Matt 19:28).
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
What in the world is the Lord doing in the city of New Jerusalem in (Rev 21) by putting the name of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel on the gates of the city? Does anyone really believe that the church or Gentile believers make up any part of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel? Then we have the wall of the city upon the twelve foundations with the name of the twelve apostles of the Lamb within those foundations.
wait...what's James doing writing to Jews in his day - when they are supposed to be blind until the "fullness of the Gentiles" comes in (just before the rapture) - 1900+ years in his future.
shouldn't he be out preaching just to gentiles? or kicking it doing paperwork or something?
sooo......you have no part in New Jerusalem, either i guess.
man, what a mixed up message you have.
but, that's what ya get when you slice and dice Redemptive History into dispensations that are "separate".
) - 1900+ years in his future.shouldn't he be out preaching just to gentiles? or kicking it doing paperwork or something?
sooo......you have no part in New Jerusalem, either i guess.
man, what a mixed up message you have.
but, that's what ya get when you slice and dice Redemptive History into dispensations that are "separate".