Does God expect the Jews to stop Jewish rituals when they know Jesus?

[homwardbound]

Jewish rituals come from the Talmud not the Scriptures, you guys probably think the Sabbath is for the jews?

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing dany evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which eplease Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place; ministering position with power, and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; de filing, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to hMy holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer."

So What is the true Sabbath, is it Christ were one rests 24/7 or of man's work that he needs physical rest?
Is Christ the Sabbath rest for all that believe or not? Did not all scripture point to Christ? And did not the law and prophets witness this:
Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

 

[homwardbound]

Your point is that Paul says we should eat pork. My point is that Paul did not say that.

Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

So to whoever chooses they choose, yet I am also convinced the God cleansed all things through Christ at the cross. And can eat whatever I choose to and give God thanks
As he said to Peter, Do not call anything unclean that God has cleaned. This is where he had three dreams as to kill and eat, and was the allegory for the salvation to come over to the Gentile Acts 10 and 11

So really it all depends on what one does with what one has got, and the motive in it, that we know we are well in our soul or not.
So people do as you think is right in the sight of God, and if there is anything to be straightened out, I am sure God who has received you will straighten out and cause me, you or anyone that believes to stand in God, giving God thanks.
Romans 14, a very deep chapter concerning this.

 

[homwardbound]

Does God expect the Jews to stop Jewish rituals when they know Jesus?

The jewish rituals were given because of transgression. The Lord Jesus was given as a solution to this transgression.

If you are forgiven of your transgression and you know it wasn't by your work or rituals I don't know why you would go back to practicing the work and rituals that didn't do anything to forgive you of your transgressions.

I would think you would desire this New Way you were shown through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Is it possible to be afraid of taking God's wonderful way as in being forgiven by God through Christ for granted, as is a deceit from the enemy where are warfare is:
2 Corinthians 10:4 (for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

Who is it that pulls down the strong holds, self or God?

 

[zone]

Have you heard of vowel pointing? This was still going on for hundreds of years after Yahshua's death and resurrection. Vowel pointing is Hebrew. So yeah they spoke Hebrew. Every greek manuscript says Yahshua called out to Shaul with the Holy Language or the Hebrew language, how did Shaul understand and recognize it as Hebrew? There is only one Bible that says Aramaic and it's the NIV, NO ORIGINAL TEXT BACKS THAT UP. Also why would He speak the language of Babylon?

You know what thought, you might be right a renowned Bible Scholar did say Yahshua spoke Aramaic, what was his name?.......oh yeah Mel Gibson.

Yahshua?

Jews don't write Yahshua.
scared name gentile cultists do though

this whole post is funny.
more Hebrew Roots mythology.

 

[homwardbound]

Not loving your neighbor as yourself...

How about a little deeper as Christ loved you and loves you through the cross unto Father who today because of Christ can live in us and teach us all truth, because once one believes they see, and receive. Starts with being made Holy by Christ's body
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

 

[homwardbound]

Ah, coming from one who doesn't believe the Law is in effect? Yep, you are right, there is one Law, love. This has two parts, love God and love your neighbor. The first, love God, has four parts and the second, love your neighbor has six parts. Each of the these 10 parts has many more parts explaining the details.

What we call them are Laws, Commandments, Statutes and Judgments. Thanks for affirming that.

Glad and elated that you see the Love of God in the two and the Ten, Tell me I know at least for me I could not do the Ten, in Love or the two until I saw and understood this
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us

Then after seeing this and growing in God's amazing grace, I have today been seeing this:
[h=3]Ephesians 3:17-19[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; [SUP]19 [/SUP]and to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God.

Truth has set me free to Love the way God loves as in 1 cor. 13:4-13. where when I was of the flesh I could never love that way until God born me again through the resurrected Christ. But first I needed to die to self as Paul so well explains in Phil. 3

And God wants us all to experience this truth in God, that is done through the cross of Christ

 

[homwardbound]

A shadow is an outline of something without the details filled in vividly. So you would be saying holding to only the law incompletely. For instance in the case of murder. The shadow said don't murder, Christ said not only don't murder drawing blood as in the shadow, but as in the completed don't even say you fool.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

 

[homwardbound]

Whoops, you forgot these...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

There is under the law as what was here before the cross and there is after the cross where we are no longer under the Law seeing how that the Law is Holy and flesh and blood is not, therefore is weak and the perfect Law shows us this and are in need of being born again ion the Spirit of God. And this is done by God through the resurrected Christ our new life in God
Born again in Spirit for God can only be worshipped this way
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

So either we are of the flesh or the Spirit of God. HMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know what I have decided and asked God for, and God does, if we have a pure motive in knowing God, without any malice

 

[homwardbound]

Rick, please put on the peace of God, and just reflect Him! Not "flagrantly overlook", "like the Pharisees" for no one here uses works in a Pharisee way, "you don't know". You don't have to make those judgmental assumptions to tell what you think. You talk about getting to perfection through Christ. We both understand that we need Christ's cleansing power, and we need the Holy Spirit. Where our difference seems to come in is you say knowing Christ and understanding through the HS is enough, and I am saying that is a dead end unless we go the next step and repent and act.

when one receives the Love of God as in 1Cor. 13:4-13 then is where God acts through us and we show forth the Love of God that no flesh can do unless born again in the Spirit of God through the resurrected Christ is where this new life in God is at. For God's Love fills all in all

 

[Hizikyah]

So What is the true Sabbath, is it Christ were one rests 24/7 or of man's work that he needs physical rest?
Is Christ the Sabbath rest for all that believe or not? Did not all scripture point to Christ? And did not the law and prophets witness this:
Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

I feel everybody is mistaking my stance on these issues. Never once have I said Falith alone, or works alone will save.

Yaaqob (James) 2:22 & 26, "Do you see that the faith worked together with his works, and by works the faith makes perfect?" "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

Now you quoted Luke 16:16, IF YOU READ ONE MORE VERSE IT SAYS;

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

And you quoted Romans 3:21, if you read 10 more verses it says;

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Now because of what Shaul said in;

2 Timothy 4:3, "For the time will come when gthey will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they will heap to themselves teachers, who will tickle their ears; telling them what they want to hear."

I think it is clear alot of people only look at the verses that ar "ear tickling."

However we need to consider ALL the Scriptures, now most people think there is a contradicition between faith and works, there is not. We have verses explaining both and they are not in oppisition;

Ephesians 2:8, "For indeed by undeserved pardon you will be saved through the faith; but this does not come out of you; it is the gift of Yahweh."

Acts 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

Now these verses are not in contradicition with the next 2 I will quote, as I will show a Scriptual example why;

Romans 3:25, "Whom Yahweh set forth as a sacrifice of atonement by His own blood, through the faith, to declare His
righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of Yahweh."

Hebrews 10:26, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries."

IT's carzy all I have to do is quote the "NT" and you all yell out (it went from) JEW! to SDA! to CULT MEMBER!

But these verses are not in oppisition or contradicition of each other; (example)

Yahchanan (John) 5:14, "Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts of The House of Yahweh, and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse thing will come upon you."

As Yahshua clearly tells us we will be judged by our works and one can even lose their place in the kingdom of Yahweh by transgressing against Laws that are outside the 10 Commandments. THIS IS THE WORDS OF THE MESSIAH YOU ALL CLAIM TO FOLLOW;

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices breaking the Law."

dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers are not against the 10 Commandments, I want you to tell me what Law, (these things that Yahshua says people will be not allowed to enter,) break?

 

[Hizikyah]

Yahshua?

Jews don't write Yahshua.
scared name gentile cultists do though

this whole post is funny.
more Hebrew Roots mythology.

Yes I am not a Jew, you see alot of Jews follow the Rabbinical enactment in which the Name of the Creator is not to be spoken (as do many gentiles). Also all modern Hebrew has ADDED vowel points (Masorites added in) that changed the meaning of some words.

While I believe it is possible the Name of the Messiah may be;

Yahshua
Yahushuwa

both of those mean YHWH is Salvation!

YEshua does not, and the Jews use Yeshua

And because of this verse, as I take the Scriptures serious;

Acts 4:12, "Let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israyl, that in the Name of Yahshua Messiah of Nazareth, Whom you nailed on a stake, but Whom Yahweh raised from the dead--by Him does this man stand here before you,
healed. This is the stone which was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the Head stone of the corner,
Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men by which we
must be saved."

 

[Hizikyah]

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Can I ask you all
a question? Do you celebrate Christmas?

 

[zone]

Romans 3:25, "Whom Yahweh set forth as a sacrifice of atonement by His own blood, through the faith, to declare His
righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of Yahweh."

Hebrews 10:26, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries."

maybe you need to go back and see what "for the remission of sins that are past" means: the sins committed in past generations. it's not talkiing about the sin YOU committed until your saved date - after which time there is no more forgiveness - exactly what Christ do you believe in?

and perhaps discover who Hebrews 10 was speaking to specifically at what precise time, and about what the very danger they faced was - returning to a Covenant which was ending, and Temple system that would very soon be dust. whereby they would have no more propitiation for their sin, having rejected the New Covenant, having trampled the Son of God underfoot, putting Him to public shame.

 

[zone]

Yes I am not a Jew, you see alot of Jews follow the Rabbinical enactment in which the Name of the Creator is not to be spoken (as do many gentiles). Also all modern Hebrew has ADDED vowel points (Masorites added in) that changed the meaning of some words.

While I believe it is possible the Name of the Messiah may be;

Yahshua
Yahushuwa

both of those mean YHWH is Salvation!

YEshua does not, and the Jews use Yeshua

And because of this verse, as I take the Scriptures serious;

Acts 4:12, "Let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israyl, that in the Name of Yahshua Messiah of Nazareth, Whom you nailed on a stake, but Whom Yahweh raised from the dead--by Him does this man stand here before you,
healed. This is the stone which was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the Head stone of the corner,
Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men by which we
must be saved."

lol.
so unless we all use the name Yahshua or Yahushuwa none of us can be saved?
Yahshua and Yahushuwa are made up sacred name cult names.
neither of them are the Name Ἰησοῦς - Iesous - Jesus.
neither are they Hebrew in any way.
jews don't recognize those names.

The Lord determined the New Testament would be forever recorded in Greek.
He had a reason.

Jesus (English) is Yeshua transliterated from Hebrew.
it is the same as Joshua.

YHWH is a Latin transliteration of the Hebrew tetragrammaton.
so you're just sounding out in Latin four Hebrew letters, which added vowels on top of that!

The Lord already revealed to Moses His Name by which said men were to call Him - I AM.

you should be careful with this stuff.
i mean making proclamations that you know THE NAME and any other name is pagan or whatever.

the sacred name groups are....well....to each their own i guess.

 

[Hizikyah]

maybe you need to go back and see what "for the remission of sins that are past" means: the sins committed in past generations. it's not talkiing about the sin YOU committed until your saved date - after which time there is no more forgiveness - exactly what Christ do you believe in?

and perhaps discover who Hebrews 10 was speaking to specifically at what precise time, and about what the very danger they faced was - returning to a Covenant which was ending, and Temple system that would very soon be dust. whereby they would have no more propitiation for their sin, having rejected the New Covenant, having trampled the Son of God underfoot, putting Him to public shame.

How well you twist the Scriptures

Hebrews 10:22-26, "Let pus draw near with a true heart in full assurance of the faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of the faith without wavering; not bending, not giving way, for He Who promised is faithful! Do Not Forsake Gathering Together And let us consider one another, how we may urge one another on toward love and righteous works; Not forsaking the gathering of
ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but sexhorting one another; and so much the more as you see the day approaching. For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins."

And Romans is talking directly yo those who accept the blood of the Lmb also;

Romans 3:23-25, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of Yahweh; Being freely justified by His forgiveness, through the redemption; salvation, that is through Yahshua Messiah; Whom Yahweh set forth as a sacrifice of atonement by His own blood, through the faith, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of Yahweh."

I not not trying to be mean, try to accept this witout offence, it seems a number of you have been give over to a confused mind, I was there once, if you pray and seek to do what is right in Yahweh's eyes He will listen.

 

[Hizikyah]

lol.
so unless we all use the name Yahshua or Yahushuwa none of us can be saved?
Yahshua and Yahushuwa are made up sacred name cult names.
neither of them are the Name Ἰησοῦς - Iesous - Jesus.
neither are they Hebrew in any way.
jews don't recognize those names.

The Lord determined the New Testament would be forever recorded in Greek.
He had a reason.

Jesus (English) is Yeshua transliterated from Hebrew.
it is the same as Joshua.

YHWH is a Latin transliteration of the Hebrew tetragrammaton.
so you're just sounding out in Latin four Hebrew letters, which added vowels on top of that!

The Lord already revealed to Moses His Name by which said men were to call Him - I AM.

you should be careful with this stuff.
i mean making proclamations that you know THE NAME and any other name is pagan or whatever.

the sacred name groups are....well....to each their own i guess.

"lol. so unless we all use the name..."

I don;t LOL at Acts 4:12, and I said I believe this to be the Name.

"The Lord determined the New Testament would be forever recorded in Greek.
He had a reason.

Jesus (English) is Yeshua transliterated from Hebrew.
it is the same as Joshua."

Actually there is a valid copy of Hebrew Matthew confirmed by a scholar at Hebrew University that also did translation on the Dead Sea Scrolls.

And transliteration is not translation, and no Jesus is not from Yeshua it is from Iosus.

Finally YHWH is the way I write it on this english speaking fourm, and no the latin version is JHVH,

the Creators Name uses 4 Hebrew letters;
YOD HEY WAW HEY

At least I attempt to use HIS REAL NAME instead of unknowingly following the Rabbinical enactment of the PHARISEES of replacing it with

ADONAI = LORD or ELOHIM = GOD(s)

You people are crazy

 

[reject-tech]

I think He expects them to transform their literal rituals into spiritual life-changers.
For example, instead of sacrificing a literal ram, sacrifice a part of self that head-butts others.
For their benefit and His reputation.

And I think Moses knew this when he wrote it.

 

[Hizikyah]

lol.
The Lord already revealed to Moses His Name by which said men were to call Him - I AM.
.

Maybe in youe buchered translation He did, as original text say YHWH

Exodus 3:14-15, "Then Yahweh said to Mosheh: I am Who I am. And He said: This is what you are to say to the children of Israyl; YAHWEH has sent me to you. Yahweh also said to Mosheh: This also shall you say to the children of Israyl;
YAHWEH, the Heavenly Father of your fathers, the Mighty One of Abraham, the Mighty One of Isaac, and the Mighty One of Yaaqob, has sent me to you. THIS IS MY NAME FOREVER-- and this is MY MEMORIAL: the Name by which I am to be remembered by, from generation to generation, for all generations."

He never said His Name was "I AM".

 

[Hizikyah]

I think He expects them to transform their literal rituals into spiritual life-changers.
For example, instead of sacrificing a literal ram, sacrifice a part of self that head-butts others.
For their benefit and His reputation.

And I think Moses knew this when he wrote it.

I agree. LOL Idk about headbut, but transform yes

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[zone]

How well you twist the Scriptures

whatever, man.
i don't have much patience today for Hebrew Roots/Judaizing.
a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Hebrews 10:22-26, "Let pus draw near with a true heart in full assurance of the faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of the faith without wavering; not bending, not giving way, for He Who promised is faithful! Do Not Forsake Gathering Together And let us consider one another, how we may urge one another on toward love and righteous works; Not forsaking the gathering of
ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but sexhorting one another; and so much the more as you see the day approaching. For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins."

read the whole book again.

this is written to Hebrews who had heard the Gospel of their salvation, been among the New Covenant remnant jews - now Christians.....they had come near to the New Covenant, and were in danger of departing back to the old ways - the Law and the Temple...they were suffering persecution at the hands of both gentiles and their kinsmen (apostate jews who had already rejected Jesus).


32But recall the former days when, after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings, 33sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated. 34For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one. 35Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. 36For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. 37For,

“Yet a little while,
and the coming one will come and will not delay;
38 but my righteous one shall live by faith,
and if he shrinks back,
my soul has no pleasure in him.”

39But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.

And Romans is talking directly yo those who accept the blood of the Lmb also;

Romans 3:23-25, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of Yahweh; Being freely justified by His forgiveness, through the redemption; salvation, that is through Yahshua Messiah; Whom Yahweh set forth as a sacrifice of atonement by His own blood, through the faith, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of Yahweh."

read the whole passage.
no time for it, today really.
if you think you no longer sin, or have no need of confession and cleansing - whatever - i've had enough of these threads to last a lifetime.

to Declare His Righteousness - what RIGHTEOUSNESS?

that men would be saved by THE GOSPEL of THE CROSS OF JESUS CHRIST AND NOT BY THE BLOOD OF ANIMALS.

that Righteousness.

Romans 3:21
Justified by Faith
21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

I not not trying to be mean, try to accept this witout offence, it seems a number of you have been give over to a confused mind, I was there once, if you pray and seek to do what is right in Yahweh's eyes He will listen.

you were where once?
saved by grace through faith in the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ, the righteousness of God apart from the Law?

then what? you did exactly what the Hebrews in 10 were warned NOT to do?
anyways.

once you've departed from the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ and set about to establish your own through the Law, or through some sect that relies on superstition (made up 'sacred names') i've learned there's little to be said.

i will pray for you, though.
take care.