Voting is a waste of time

[Combanitorics]

This is interesting stuff. A lot of historians today say that the question of states' rights was fully settled by the American Civil War. A Supreme Court ruling said states cannot secede, and the war itself ended in that conclusion.

However, I see secession as THE foundational American premise: that a People CAN and OUGHT TO choose their own representative form of government. Secession was how the American colonies BECAME the United States of America, ultimately.

The Supreme Court, as part of the federal government, of course is biased in favor of the federal government and will always take its side. And the American Civil War was simply argument by brute force, the weakest of all arguments.

I still say that the STATES HAVE THE RIGHT TO SECEDE, indeed, the DUTY to do so if the federal government becomes tyrannical.

That's an interesting point of view. Is that a second amendment argument, because I'm curious as to what your view of states' rights is. Are you referring to the written constitutions of the individual states in their relation to the national constitution? And how do you see the relationship between the body of law (written documents) and the body politic (the total group of "we the people" the citizens)?

 

[JStates]

Civil Wars are fought between citizens or subjects of the same republic or kingdom over the content of the law or the person of the lawgiver. It's not the same thing as a race war.

The American Civil War wasn't a race war. A race war is one "race" against another. It was mostly white dudes fighting and dying during the American Civil War (though blacks did fight for both sides as well) over the issue of STATES RIGHTS which was triggered by the national sin of CHATTEL SLAVERY.

The next civil war won't be a race war either, though the elites keep trying to stir one up. If blacks are fighting whites, it makes both easier for the Establishment to control. Just like in prison.

 

[JStates]

That's an interesting point of view. Is that a second amendment argument, because I'm curious as to what your view of states' rights is. Are you referring to the written constitutions of the individual states in their relation to the national constitution? And how do you see the relationship between the body of law (written documents) and the body politic (the total group of "we the people" the citizens)?

The body of law should always reflect morality, truth, and the best interests of the People.
The foundational American value is self-determination of governance for the People. Period. The Establishment and the Laws of George III's Britain disagreed, so the dispute was eventually settled forcibly.
Yes, I am pro-2A.
I'm also a secessionist.

 

[Gideon300]

I say this as someone who was a candidate for public office five years ago and who genuinely believed that if you don't vote, you can't complain about the way government is (I now take the opposite view - if you DO vote, you cannot complain. You're the one who drove the clowns to the circus!).

Anyway, voting is a complete waste of time, energy, and interest. This was definitively proven to me after the fraud of 2020.

And before you say it wasn't a fraud - you may be right. Perhaps there was no significant fraud at all and Biden is the legit Vegetable-in-Chief. The problem is, the courts refused to hear any of this. The things that happened were fishy at best: kicking out poll watchers, blocking up viewing stations so the public could not observe ballot counting, "finding" hundreds and thousands of ballots in the middle of the night while others were found discarded, countless ballots with only the presidential selection made, and on and on and on. If democracy is the god that so many people in this country believe it to be, then these claims should have been examined.

Guess who largely refused to hear them? Republican-elected and -appointed state and federal judges. They didn't even want to consider allegations and refused to hear matters on it. They had the power to at least examine what were and still are credible claims of fraud. They did not. I, and many like me, now realize that elections are a sham and the process cannot and absolutely should not be trusted.

By the way, this fabled "red wave" many of you are pinning your hopes on will accomplish nothing. I've lived through several red waves since I became eligible to vote in 2002. It's always the same song and dance. "Look how terrible Democrats are! We gots ta vote Republican to fix this!" Then they get in and either do nothing by compromising or make the problem demonstrably worse.

All that has happened is the government has continued to waste money, grow exponentially, and curtail more and more basic liberties. Republicans are not interested in the radical reforms we would need to return this country to a republic (not "democracy"). Someone once observed that conservatism is just progressivism driving the speed limit. And that's true.

There's an obvious reason. As satanic as Democrats are - and they are all satanic - at least they are honest about what they want. They hate God, you, America, the family, decency, morality, capitalism, and freedom. They do not hide their contempt for these and other quintessential values. Nor do they care how they accomplish their objectives. Voter fraud? Voter intimidation and threats? Executive orders so their "president" can govern like a king? Cancel culture and character assassination of opponents? All this and more are fair game because their satanic religion demands it.

Meanwhile Republicans are Mr. Good Guy. They believe in THE SANCTITY OF THE INSTITUTIONS and other gobbledygook. They believe in stuff like WELL AH DONT AGREE WITH MAH OPPONENT BUT AH RESPECT HIS RIGHT TO BE THAT WAY and other Mr. Good Guy platitudes about tolerance and respect for a group of people who have nothing but abject hatred to pay them with. The left and right are enemies, but only one side seems to realize this.

Even when they win, Republicans are useless. They are not interested in doing anything they promise because then you won't have a reason to vote for them. For example, they have had the power several times to ban abortion yet have refused. Why? They know that banning abortion is the number one reason most evangelicals vote to elect Republicans. MUH SUPREME COURT NOMINEES!! The Supreme Court is 6-3 "conservative" and can't do anything but side with liberals, thanks to traitor and probable pedophile John Roberts and the other weaklings on there.

You can vote if you want. It's your right to live in a delusion. But I'm telling you now, nothing will change. 10 election cycles from now you'll still be falling for this con while the grifters continue profiting off of your votes by buying and selling access to government. This country, to the extent it is still a country, is run by banks, corporations, and lobbyists. Not you. "If voting actually changed anything, it would be illegal."

A cynic indeed. I disagree. Sure, there is good reason to be cynical. Whoever you vote for, you end up with a politician. However, some are less problematic than others. First up, we need to pray that God will rid us of people who displease Him and bring in those who do please Him. I've lived in Australia since 1966 and I've seen miracles of Antichrist governments being removed and replaced with those who are less oppressive.

In a democracy, change is effected at the ballot box. For example, one major party in Australia has turned against Israel. A number of smaller parties agree. If they get in at the next election, God will have even more reason to judge Australia. The current federal administration is the lesser of two evils. Like Trump, they were not supposed to be elected. God overruled.

Pray and vote. Christians have the power and authority to change things. Complacency and fatalism are not the answer.

 

[JStates]

A cynic indeed. I disagree. Sure, there is good reason to be cynical. Whoever you vote for, you end up with a politician. However, some are less problematic than others. First up, we need to pray that God will rid us of people who displease Him and bring in those who do please Him. I've lived in Australia since 1966 and I've seen miracles of Antichrist governments being removed and replaced with those who are less oppressive.

In a democracy, change is effected at the ballot box. For example, one major party in Australia has turned against Israel. A number of smaller parties agree. If they get in at the next election, God will have even more reason to judge Australia. The current federal administration is the lesser of two evils. Like Trump, they were not supposed to be elected. God overruled.

Pray and vote. Christians have the power and authority to change things. Complacency and fatalism are not the answer.

I see this whole present situation as a Puritan/Separatist scenario. The Puritans and the Separatists believed a lot of the same doctrines, but the Puritans thought the Anglican Church could be fixed from within and the Separatists decided to remove to the New World. Eventually, the Puritans gave up and came to the New World as well.

Different scenario, different times, impossible to say how things will play out. Could God give us a reprieve and allow us to cleanse the corrupt federal government from within? Could we have a new period of revival and peace? Absolutely, if this nation repents and turns back to God.

Personally though, I'm a Separatist. I don't think the system can be saved. Judgment has been prophesied and it's coming eventually.

So my approach is a Separatist approach. Pursue food independence and secession. Get ready for the impending civil war. Try to wake others up to the truths being hidden.

Others go for the Puritan method. Vote. Get politically active. Try to change the school boards. Try to change the laws. Try to fix the corrupt courts. Fight the tyranny of the federal system using the federal system. Etc.

I say do what you can whatever path you choose.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The American Civil War wasn't a race war.

True. But it was a totally stupid war, since there was absolutely no need to go to war over slavery. While Lincoln was fighting to free slaves on one hand, he was enslaving Native Americans on reservations on the other hand, and trying to destroy the South at the same time. But there were far better and far smarter solutions to both of these issues.

Getting back to voting, the days of free and fair elections are over. Donald Trump had four years to ensure that the election machinery and laws in every state were cleaned up (by whatever means were available including a Special Commission). Also a proper wall, properly built right across the southern border. But he allowed himself to be distracted from the critical issues, and in the end there was massive election fraud, and almost two million migrant invaders are now in the States. Will this ever be fixed? The Democrats want to totally destroy free and fair elections, and are working night and day to make sure that they will never again be fair. And there has not been a single prosecution in connection with the crimes committed during the last election.

 

[Combanitorics]

True. But it was a totally stupid war, since there was absolutely no need to go to war over slavery. While Lincoln was fighting to free slaves on one hand, he was enslaving Native Americans on reservations on the other hand, and trying to destroy the South at the same time. But there were far better and far smarter solutions to both of these issues.

Getting back to voting, the days of free and fair elections are over. Donald Trump had four years to ensure that the election machinery and laws in every state were cleaned up (by whatever means were available including a Special Commission). Also a proper wall, properly built right across the southern border. But he allowed himself to be distracted from the critical issues, and in the end there was massive election fraud, and almost two million migrant invaders are now in the States. Will this ever be fixed? The Democrats want to totally destroy free and fair elections, and are working night and day to make sure that they will never again be fair. And there has not been a single prosecution in connection with the crimes committed during the last election.

Well, the voting process is a bit complex, and it might well be hackable. I don't think that has anything to do with electronic voting machines or mail in ballots, though. There's this thing they call "social engineering" in cybersecurity. It is actually also known as just assuming a fake identity like a spy and lying in order to access premises and obtain, alter or otherwise manipulate information. It dosn't have anything to do with math or anything, it's about whose in.

 

[KrisWampler]

If i had tangible evidence that voting works, I would not take this position. But since the year 2000 I have seen Republicans take all three branches of government (several times in some cases). Nothing, not a single thing, has improved. There is more government, spending, waste, corruption, lies, and selling out than ever. Just look at the national debt and tell me you have hope for this country when you know the GOP is responsible for a huge chunk of that. Republicans are cowards and simply will not stand up to the left on anything. They basically apologize for being who they pretend they are. Why would I vote for cowardly people who are ashamed of their own beliefs?

Again, if I saw actual evidence that voting made a difference, I would renounce this view. But consistently, the cycle has gone this way:

Dems get in power
Dems shift everything to the left (Overton Window included)
Reps get MAD
Reps campaign and win
Reps fail to change anything

Over and over and over. I believe it was a famous Republican president who said that doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results, is insanity.

By the way, when the above cycle happens again this year - which it will - I will try to remember to come back and bump this lol

 

[JStates]

If i had tangible evidence that voting works, I would not take this position. But since the year 2000 I have seen Republicans take all three branches of government (several times in some cases). Nothing, not a single thing, has improved. There is more government, spending, waste, corruption, lies, and selling out than ever. Just look at the national debt and tell me you have hope for this country when you know the GOP is responsible for a huge chunk of that. Republicans are cowards and simply will not stand up to the left on anything. They basically apologize for being who they pretend they are. Why would I vote for cowardly people who are ashamed of their own beliefs?

Again, if I saw actual evidence that voting made a difference, I would renounce this view. But consistently, the cycle has gone this way:

Dems get in power
Dems shift everything to the left (Overton Window included)
Reps get MAD
Reps campaign and win
Reps fail to change anything

Over and over and over. I believe it was a famous Republican president who said that doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results, is insanity.

By the way, when the above cycle happens again this year - which it will - I will try to remember to come back and bump this lol

Both sides are controlled by the elites. This is the Freemasonic two-headed eagle. The heads look like they are enemies, but they feed the same evil body.

Also known as the Hegelian dialectic, in other words controlling both sides of a conflict or argument. "The best way to fight the resistance... is to lead it yourself."

Go watch the movie "Snowpiercer."

 

[KrisWampler]

Both sides are controlled by the elites. This is the Freemasonic two-headed eagle. The heads look like they are enemies, but they feed the same evil body.

Also known as the Hegelian dialectic, in other words controlling both sides of a conflict or argument. "The best way to fight the resistance... is to lead it yourself."

Go watch the movie "Snowpiercer."

Is that on Netflix by any chance?

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

I say everyone from local, state, and federal positions need to be removed The system is a JOKE. I'm probably on a list .

 

[KrisWampler]

I say everyone from local, state, and federal positions need to be removed The system is a JOKE. I'm probably on a list .

If you're not on a list you're not doing it right lol

 

[VineyardsOfEngedi]

Yea, I'm definitely on a list . Maybe this is not the right thread to ask this question, but I've asked before, if this system is a joke what is better than this? This system gives people the illusion that they are in control but really are not and far from it? I have more to say but lol maybe this is enough

 

[Combanitorics]

True. But it was a totally stupid war, since there was absolutely no need to go to war over slavery. While Lincoln was fighting to free slaves on one hand, he was enslaving Native Americans on reservations on the other hand, and trying to destroy the South at the same time. But there were far better and far smarter solutions to both of these issues.

Getting back to voting, the days of free and fair elections are over. Donald Trump had four years to ensure that the election machinery and laws in every state were cleaned up (by whatever means were available including a Special Commission). Also a proper wall, properly built right across the southern border. But he allowed himself to be distracted from the critical issues, and in the end there was massive election fraud, and almost two million migrant invaders are now in the States. Will this ever be fixed? The Democrats want to totally destroy free and fair elections, and are working night and day to make sure that they will never again be fair. And there has not been a single prosecution in connection with the crimes committed during the last election.

Ultimately, all the American Civil War does is prove that the country pays a lot less attention to the Exodus narrative than it claims to. God had told Israel to wipe out the Canaanites completely, not leave a few alive here and there to be "hewers of wood and drawers of water". The Canaanites who were kept alive began to function as a fifth column in the camp, bringing in other Philistines and Babylonians to join them and supplant Israel.

 

[KrisWampler]

Yea, I'm definitely on a list . Maybe this is not the right thread to ask this question, but I've asked before, if this system is a joke what is better than this? This system gives people the illusion that they are in control but really are not and far from it? I have more to say but lol maybe this is enough

Personally I am an anarchist. Not the idiots who break windows and hate capitalism (they're Marxists). I don't believe any human is legitimate, and in fact it seems to me that God reluctantly allowed human government going back centuries ago when His rebellious children demanded kings to rule over them. That was a corruption that mankind has paid dearly for ever since.

And there's libertarian reasons too behind that. I just hate all government and believe it is inherently violent and evil.

 

[JStates]

Is that on Netflix by any chance?

I'm pretty sure that's where I saw it, or maybe on Amazon.

 

[JStates]

Yea, I'm definitely on a list . Maybe this is not the right thread to ask this question, but I've asked before, if this system is a joke what is better than this? This system gives people the illusion that they are in control but really are not and far from it? I have more to say but lol maybe this is enough

@KrisWampler

I agree with both of you guys to an extent. A moral People can self govern to a great degree without a large bureaucratic government. And as Kris mentioned, when Israel begged God for a human king, this showed that they had crossed that threshold. They didn't want to be accountable to God... but having human authorities over them introduced many evils. Look at the first two kings they had: Saul, corrupt and ineffectual; David, murderous philanderer. They couldn't even go 200 years without the kingdom splitting (if I recall).

I feel like the American system worked pretty well... but the Founders acknowledged it was a system intended for moral people and America really isn't a moral nation any longer. Plus, the checks and balances of the system need to be updated periodically for the times. The American system - especially the federal government but also the state governments - is topheavy with corruption that the People should have been more vigilant to clean out generation by generation.

There's no fixing it. It will be civil war and rebuilding from the ashes, if anyone is left to rebuild.

 

[ZNP]

@KrisWampler

I agree with both of you guys to an extent. A moral People can self govern to a great degree without a large bureaucratic government. And as Kris mentioned, when Israel begged God for a human king, this showed that they had crossed that threshold. They didn't want to be accountable to God... but having human authorities over them introduced many evils. Look at the first two kings they had: Saul, corrupt and ineffectual; David, murderous philanderer. They couldn't even go 200 years without the kingdom splitting (if I recall).

I feel like the American system worked pretty well... but the Founders acknowledged it was a system intended for moral people and America really isn't a moral nation any longer. Plus, the checks and balances of the system need to be updated periodically for the times. The American system - especially the federal government but also the state governments - is topheavy with corruption that the People should have been more vigilant to clean out generation by generation.

There's no fixing it. It will be civil war and rebuilding from the ashes, if anyone is left to rebuild.

The way to fix it is delineate clearly what is not in the purview of the Federal government.

1. Education -- should be up to the states. This would eliminate the ability of a guy like Soros to pay for a few people to indoctrinate the entire nation with CRT.

2. Standing army -- eliminate all these "police actions" this is how our government bullies other nations and abuses them. Suppose we have 200,000 in our army, you divy that up among the States based on which state each person came from, so on average 4,000 per state. You could still have universities like West Point so they would all be on the same wavelength. I don't think you can do this with our navy or air force or missiles. But at least you can make it illegal to send US foot soldiers overseas without an order from congress. The President still has the right to respond with executive actions to an attack on the United States, but if Americans are attacked abroad he cannot order an air strike or any other attack without authorization from the Congress. He can close embassies, push for sanctions, and the State department can refuse visas to these nations that are deemed unsafe for Americans, etc.

3. There must be a hard and fast rule about how much they can tax the US. In the Old Testament it was 10%. I think that is a very good number to limit the federal government from turning into a monster. If we are at war we can have a special tax for that but remember Congress has to vote to approve that action. The law should be very clear, the Federal government can only issue a single 10% tax and is outlawed from any other means to raise money from the American people.

The only protection we have against the Federal government becoming a monster is the state government. The way that the Federal government has seized power is by paying for something and then taxing people for it and then holding those funds as a cudgel over the people. Every state should be have full autonomy over Education, controlling the national guard, and most other things like pensions. The federal government has used Social Security to rob the american people. If this had been done by the 50 states there might have been 3 or 4 states caught up in massive fraud but that would have been much less serious than the entire country waking up to learn their retirement account has been robbed.

4. Finally the kicker is the Fed. The Fed has seized power in the same way that credit cards do. They entice you with credit. The US needs live within their means and get off this drug of "the Fed". It will be hard like going cold turkey. Other drug addicts have been rehabilitated, the US also can do it. Printing money is a different way of taxing the Americans, just like going crazy with a credit card. We have to put a stop to that.

 

[RaceBoy]

Yeah I agree. I don't vote either cuz I don't Bruce l believe my vote will make a difference. They put who they want in office so IMO the best way to change things is to create our own services (without breaking the law) that actually do what's right.

 

[Combanitorics]

Yeah I agree. I don't vote either cuz I don't Bruce l believe my vote will make a difference. They put who they want in office so IMO the best way to change things is to create our own services (without breaking the law) that actually do what's right.

Dunno, buddy. Here think about the objective definition of "Civil War" for a minute, going beyond the fact that the American one is a unique time bounded occurrence and that it has to do with civics (now that means the law in this country, which is a republic). If your votes aren't being counted and you're not getting fair hearings in court, that's a civil problem. Hey, if they don't even let you participate, why don't you declare war?