Well I got no dog in this fight. Your points are valid - EXCEPT for the little graph indicating 98 out of 100 rapists go unpunished. Also says 68 % of rapes go unreported? I mean - how do they even come up with that number? I don't know. Regardless of whether the numbers are accurate - which they probably aren't. It may be worse! Or it may not be. Point is that the generalization is, true or not, that 98 out a hundred men get away with rape. So the point you made was that men don't get punished for rape, even when they're caught. And you prove that by providing unsubstantiated graphs. That's generalization and up there in your message you said to let you know if there was one and so I did.
That could be true violakat! But who did they interview? Random women? Or was the polling more cunning? Or did they interview anyone at all? That's kinda the problem I have with these things. The graph I was speaking of is this one:
View attachment 138724
The issue I have is these are numbers based on hidden information or information that is or probably is arbitrary. I have the same problem with polling. It's like i don't believe anything anymore, but I especially doubt snipets like these that are intended to paint a picture of fact when they might be anything but. We just really don't know and I think a lot of "facts" are in fact manipulated for political reasons or for generalizations.
View attachment 138724
The issue I have is these are numbers based on hidden information or information that is or probably is arbitrary. I have the same problem with polling. It's like i don't believe anything anymore, but I especially doubt snipets like these that are intended to paint a picture of fact when they might be anything but. We just really don't know and I think a lot of "facts" are in fact manipulated for political reasons or for generalizations.
The link I listed below the graph goes to the website which lists the sources used to make it.
References
My point in listing the graph was to show that both men and women have trouble finding justice. This was prompted by reading numerous posts talking about how men are accused of rape innocently, women are evil, and there is no justice in the world (for men).
References
- Justice Department, National Crime Victimization Survey: 2008-2012
- FBI, Uniform Crime Reports, Arrest Data: 2006-2010
- FBI, Uniform Crime Reports, Offenses Cleared Data: 2006-2010
- Department of Justice, Felony Defendents in Large Urban Counties: 2009
- Department of Justice, Felony Defendents in Large Urban Counties: 2009
My point in listing the graph was to show that both men and women have trouble finding justice. This was prompted by reading numerous posts talking about how men are accused of rape innocently, women are evil, and there is no justice in the world (for men).
i was sexually assaulted by someone who i was on a date with a number of years ago. while we had been on one previous date before, i didn't know him ALL that well, other than basic info one might have exchanged in a couple conversations. but i trusted him more than i should have because he and i shared an acquaintance in common.
unfortunately, like so many women, i was so horrified, humiliated, and embarrassed by the fact that i had trusted someone i thought was harmless, kind, and even "christian" that i couldn't bring myself to report it immediately. i couldn't even imagine saying these things out loud. within a day or two, i was so traumatized that i withdrew completely into myself and wouldn't tell a single person about it for almost two years, mostly because of the shame and horror. i was so disgusted by the whole thing, and for a very long time blamed myself for ridiculous reasons that i can't even explain now. plus, real trauma immobilizes us. it causes us to make bad decisions, as well. scientifically, the worse decisions we make are following traumas.
the road back for me was heavy involvement in sexual violence support groups (roughly 6 years), where i have now heard untold numbers of stories in graphic details. in my experience, the actual reporting of sexual battery/violence is easily less than 5 percent. at one point, i remember in a group of 28, only 1 had been reported, and that was because she was a minor whose mother had interceded when her daughter came home from her second date in a physical and emotional state that was indicative of something horrible happening.
some of the non-reporting is due to violence in domestic/relationship situations. some is because they are afraid of not being believed. nobody wants to be the girl who is known for being raped. and that's a label i've never been comfortable with -- victim. i didn't want to be seen differently than who i am. and i was ashamed for not being able to inflict more damage. i didn't want to go through the conversations from friends/relatives who would ask me questions or want to tell me how sorry they were. i didn't want to see that look of awkwardness when someone didn't know what to say, and i surely didn't want to be the topic over dinner at the houses of those who knew me.
anyway, i want to say, there are a lot of abusive women too. the issue of violence against men (domestic and otherwise) is just as serious and ugly. and in their cases, i am sure they are very underreported. perhaps even more so than the female victims.
the struggle needs to stop against men and women, and refocus on what we can do, and how we can change things. starting with ourselves. shawn2516, if you're fed up with what is unfair about how men are perceived, you can do a lot about that. for example your allies aren't ever going to be found through gender, but through common goals, and faith--namely our shared pursuit of holiness.
we live in a fallen world where we ALL fall short. none of us make the mark. and that is why our only hope is in dying to Christ daily, and focusing on our ability to show His light and goodness in the world, not our own agenda of outrage and frustration. your brothers and sisters aren't the enemy. further, when i fill up with moral outrage, angry at how some people act i'm quickly reminded of my own ugly sin nature, and all that He's forgiven me for. that sort of takes the wind right out of my self-righteous sails.
Last edited: