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Agricola

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I do not think there will be any satisfactory or pratical solution to stop mass shootings. A number of issues arise with constitution etc. Right to bear arms to stop governments oppressing the people. Nice idea after the war of independance, however that was a time when firearms were single shot and took 15 seconds and more to reload.

Taking away certain types of guns will be seen as oppression from the government, as if assult rifles an automatics were banned, then that would put the citizens of the nation at a severe disadvantage. America is unique in this respect, therefore following any models of gun control will not work.

The only way I see it, is introduce tighter controls and inspections and do away with the loop hole of private sales. People must submit to at least an annual mental health check, which will be a nightmare to impliment and regulate. Planning to go an kill people is usually down to mental illness. There is no single reason why people plan to go on a shooting spree, but if a number of those school shooters had been checked out, then there would be a lot more people alive today.
 
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I do not think there will be any satisfactory or pratical solution to stop mass shootings. A number of issues arise with constitution etc. Right to bear arms to stop governments oppressing the people. Nice idea after the war of independance, however that was a time when firearms were single shot and took 15 seconds and more to reload.

Taking away certain types of guns will be seen as oppression from the government, as if assult rifles an automatics were banned, then that would put the citizens of the nation at a severe disadvantage. America is unique in this respect, therefore following any models of gun control will not work.

The only way I see it, is introduce tighter controls and inspections and do away with the loop hole of private sales. People must submit to at least an annual mental health check, which will be a nightmare to impliment and regulate. Planning to go an kill people is usually down to mental illness. There is no single reason why people plan to go on a shooting spree, but if a number of those school shooters had been checked out, then there would be a lot more people alive today.
It's not down to mental illness. People suffering mental illness suffer enough of a stigma already.

Why won't people call it out like it is? This isn't caused by mental illness or video games or any of that. Shootings happen when someone goes pure evil, plain and simple.

Or maybe it's easier to blame those things cause it doesn't force us to look at ourselves and how we might contribute to the problem.
 

PennEd

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I do not think there will be any satisfactory or pratical solution to stop mass shootings. A number of issues arise with constitution etc. Right to bear arms to stop governments oppressing the people. Nice idea after the war of independance, however that was a time when firearms were single shot and took 15 seconds and more to reload.

Taking away certain types of guns will be seen as oppression from the government, as if assult rifles an automatics were banned, then that would put the citizens of the nation at a severe disadvantage. America is unique in this respect, therefore following any models of gun control will not work.

The only way I see it, is introduce tighter controls and inspections and do away with the loop hole of private sales. People must submit to at least an annual mental health check, which will be a nightmare to impliment and regulate. Planning to go an kill people is usually down to mental illness. There is no single reason why people plan to go on a shooting spree, but if a number of those school shooters had been checked out, then there would be a lot more people alive today.
So taking away guns would be seen as oppressive, but FORCING people to undergo a mental health check WOULDN'T be seen as oppressive?!!

I'm speechless.
 
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So taking away guns would be seen as oppressive, but FORCING people to undergo a mental health check WOULDN'T be seen as oppressive?!!

I'm speechless.
Mentally sick people shouldn’t have guns. Having maniacs getting guns is oppressive to the rest of us.

But that’s not the main reason for the mass shootings. I think it’s the division in this country causing it. It’s so much “we” against “them” here. Liberals vs conservatives, one ethnic group against another ethnic group, rich vs poor etc etc.
 

zeroturbulence

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How about instead of a biased religious site, look for multiple studies from multiple resources.
Wow discussion with you is nothing but a waste of time and effort. You have zero desire to actually listen to anything anyone says. You just take each person's post as an opportunity to find a way to berate them. You said you never claimed to know everything, but you sure are acting like you do.
 
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Wow discussion with you is nothing but a waste of time and effort. You have zero desire to actually listen to anything anyone says. You just take each person's post as an opportunity to find a way to berate them. You said you never claimed to know everything, but you sure are acting like you do.
I simply like to inform myself from multiple sources.
 

zeroturbulence

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I simply like to inform myself from multiple sources.
Nice innocent little comeback. The truth is that if you were at all interested in getting to the bottom of the matter you would have looked at the article and considered what it has to say instead of simply dismissing it. The reason there aren't many articles like it is because someone had to take a serious interest into looking if there is a connection between mass shooters and video games, and this person looked and found 14 correlations.
 

zeroturbulence

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Wow I can't believe I'm actually still trying to reason with this person. She is exactly what's wrong with much of the younger generation these days. They disregard the opinions of those who have experience and believe their feelings and whatever they read on the internet or what they're friends tell them instead. This is why we have so many who believe the earth is flat and that the founding fathers weren't christian, etc.
 
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Wow I can't believe I'm actually still trying to reason with this person. She is exactly what's wrong with much of the younger generation these days. They disregard the opinions of those who have experience and believe their feelings and whatever they read on the internet or what they're friends tell them instead.
Oh please, like your generation is completely blameless. What with opposing the Vietnam War simply because of some TV footage. And of course sending no-fault divorce through the roof. Oh, not to mention sex, drugs, and rock n' roll 'cause y'all were bored and coddled all your lives.
 

calibob

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Wow I can't believe I'm actually still trying to reason with this person. She is exactly what's wrong with much of the younger generation these days. They disregard the opinions of those who have experience and believe their feelings and whatever they read on the internet or what they're friends tell them instead. This is why we have so many who believe the earth is flat and that the founding fathers weren't christian, etc.
Name one founding father that was born again. The Deists weren't, the Freemasnons weren't.
 

zeroturbulence

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Oh please, like your generation is completely blameless. What with opposing the Vietnam War simply because of some TV footage. And of course sending no-fault divorce through the roof. Oh, not to mention sex, drugs, and rock n' roll 'cause y'all were bored and coddled all your lives.
You just confirmed my point.
 
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Oh please, like your generation is completely blameless. What with opposing the Vietnam War simply because of some TV footage. And of course sending no-fault divorce through the roof. Oh, not to mention sex, drugs, and rock n' roll 'cause y'all were bored and coddled all your lives.
Oh, forgot to mention, racist riots. My mom had to leave her high school a couple times because of them.
 

calibob

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Oh please, like your generation is completely blameless. What with opposing the Vietnam War simply because of some TV footage. And of course sending no-fault divorce through the roof. Oh, not to mention sex, drugs, and rock n' roll 'cause y'all were bored and coddled all your lives.
And you little girl. Do you think the Vietnam War Police Action and the sexual revolution was the baby boomers idea? Or that Hippies invented drugs?
 

Roughsoul1991

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I know I'll expect resistance, given the nasty things I've said before. I know I may be mocked, ridiculed, and sidelined. But I don't care. I have a strong opinion and I want to share it.

We've had five shootings in the last five days. Christians, when are we gonna get serious about this beyond "thoughts and prayers?" Thoughts and prayers are meaningless without action. Something needs to be done.

Maybe less guns won't solve the problem, but more certainly won't help either. Should we just sit back and let the nation become a terrorist state? Should gun violence only be stopped by making sure the good guy has the bigger gun? You know something is terribly wrong when shootings become a matter of "when" rather than "if." If Christians want to be part of the solution, we can't just pray, we need to do something. Then again, according to a lot of evangelicals, the world is going to be consumed by fire anyway so why bother doing jack?

I'm honestly ashamed to call myself a Christian now, not because I'm ashamed of Jesus, but because I'm ashamed of my fellow Christians who've all but sold their souls to political power. The past few years have proven to me that most Christians aren't much different, if at all, from the world. We're sloppy with grace and don't teach people to be responsible for their actions.

There are people in this world who are evil and do not deserve our sympathy. I do not feel one bit sorry for all these mass shooters and all those youth teachers who turned out to be pedophiles. There are normal people, and then there are the depraved. Do not tell me there is not a difference. Do not tell me that the only unforgivable sin is "blasphemy." Blasphemy takes many forms.

But whatever, it's not like anyone truly cares. Even I prefer to isolate myself because I know that I can only take so much empathy. I can only weep with so many others who weep. This is why so many people my age are so disillusioned. We were prepared for a world that no longer exists, where people are content to hate each other rather than get over themselves and work together.

I'm sick of theology that tells me to hate people based on their skin color, religion, sexual orientation, or whatever. I want to judge people by their character, nothing else. Christians, the world is watching. We are called to a higher standard. And if I'm the only one willing to hold to it, then so be it.
When you react, you let others control you. When you respond, you are in control. -Bohdi Sanders

When evil strikes we often are caught off guard and forced to react by overwhelming sense of emotions that remind us the sanctity of life has been unjustly ignored and the line between good and evil was shattered. God's holy nature of being all just, good, and loving is living in us. We feel the injustice because God feels the injustice.

And in direct opposition is the fallen human nature that wants to react without consulting with the absolute judge, graceful and giver of all wisdom who is living within us.

The objects will never be the problem. The hearts of mankind will always be the problem.

The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
– Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

Reacting on emotions without wisdom can be very dangerous in regards to a spontaneous action can lead to generations worth of heartache, death, and destruction. In China the people are not legally allowed to have any kind of firearm and recently it was discovered millions have been locked us for religious or opposing political beliefs and their organs harvested to be sold in the black markets around the world.

Over the we had 40 or more deaths classified under mass shootings. 40 compared to future millions of lives destroyed by a corrupt government that also has the heart problem.

Politics may be dirty, the culture may be dirty, the people may be dirty, but we are told to go forth into this world and let the word of God be known in every corner of life. They may be dirty but so are we. We received grace and it isnt up to us to decide who deserves grace. If God forgives the most evil person on the planet due to a true death bed conversion then I have no reason to judge that or believe that individual was beyond the saving grace of God.

To change the culture first starts from within then your family, then your circle of influence, then your town, city, state, and finally the nation.
 
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Every generation has their issues that they both inherit and create. Most of my generation can't afford to buy their own houses and pay their student debt because of the recession.
 

calibob

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Well, it started happening when they hit their twenties. I don't think that's a coincidence.
You missed my edit. Viet Nam Started before I started kindergarten. LSD came from the CIA marijuana and opium have been here forever and there is no doubt that homosexuals were in Sodom during Abrahams lifetime and Cleopatra fornicated with J. Caesar and Mark Anthony.
 

calibob

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@HistoryPrincess I apologize. I temporarily lost my cool. My generation inherited the same problems yours did. Sewage piles up then runs down hill. Any plumber will tell you that.