When is it gonna be enough?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
K

kaylagrl

Guest
#123
#123
HistoryPrincess said:
How about instead of a biased religious site, look for multiple studies from multiple resources.
Click to expand...

Well I'm gonna give my 10 cents here. I don't believe it's violent video games either. Stats don't bear that out. Not saying it doesn't affect a person that already has an issue, but I don't think it's the cause. But one thing the shooters do all have in common, 26 out of 27 came from fatherless homes. I think that is a pretty big stat and a good reason to start looking into it.
 
H

HistoryPrincess

Senior Member
#124
Feb 20, 2016
1,154
266
83
#124
kaylagrl said:
Well I'm gonna give my 10 cents here. I don't believe it's violent video games either. Stats don't bear that out. Not saying it doesn't affect a person that already has an issue, but I don't think it's the cause. But one thing the shooters do all have in common, 26 out of 27 came from fatherless homes. I think that is a pretty big stat and a good reason to start looking into it.
Click to expand...
My sentiments exactly.
 
H

HistoryPrincess

Senior Member
#125
Feb 20, 2016
1,154
266
83
#125
People, no matter what I say about myself, you just assume you know me. I tell you I try to do things a certain way, only for you to tell me I'm self-righteous. I try to give you all advice, but then you tell me I have no business doing so. You've put me in a situation I where I can't win. Do you all enjoy slamming me? Do you hate me?
 
K

kaylagrl

Guest
#126
#126
HistoryPrincess said:
People, no matter what I say about myself, you just assume you know me. I tell you I try to do things a certain way, only for you to tell me I'm self-righteous. I try to give you all advice, but then you tell me I have no business doing so. You've put me in a situation I where I can't win. Do you all enjoy slamming me? Do you hate me?
Click to expand...
No one hates you, people have different opinions, that's all. This is a discussion forum and that's what people do here. Don't give people so much control in your life. You must admit you are direct and so people will respond in kind. If that isn't the feedback you want then you have to be more subdued in your responses. I know I can light a match here and have a barn burner. I don't unless someone starts with false doctrine. Then I don't care if they light up. People respond in kind usually.
 
H

HistoryPrincess

Senior Member
#127
Feb 20, 2016
1,154
266
83
#127
kaylagrl said:
No one hates you, people have different opinions, that's all. This is a discussion forum and that's what people do here. Don't give people so much control in your life. You must admit you are direct and so people will respond in kind. If that isn't the feedback you want then you have to be more subdued in your responses. I know I can light a match here and have a barn burner. I don't unless someone starts with false doctrine. Then I don't care if they light up. People respond in kind usually.
Click to expand...
Problem is, I have no one else to talk to about any of my problems. No one. Not my family, and certainly no friends. And I have gone out of my way to try and make friends for years. And yet, the stupid things I post online will stay there forever and will likely cost me future job opportunities.

Sometimes, life just really sucks.
 
K

kaylagrl

Guest
#129
#129
HistoryPrincess said:
Problem is, I have no one else to talk to about any of my problems. No one. Not my family, and certainly no friends. And I have gone out of my way to try and make friends for years. And yet, the stupid things I post online will stay there forever and will likely cost me future job opportunities.

Sometimes, life just really sucks.
Click to expand...

I've been there, I think many of us have. Have you tried the ladies forum? They are usually easy to talk to. Do you have a church you attend? Is there a pastor's wife you could talk with? Getting late here but will check back for your answer tomorrow.
 
H

HistoryPrincess

Senior Member
#130
Feb 20, 2016
1,154
266
83
#130
kaylagrl said:
I've been there, I think many of us have. Have you tried the ladies forum? They are usually easy to talk to. Do you have a church you attend? Is there a pastor's wife you could talk with? Getting late here but will check back for your answer tomorrow.
Click to expand...
Why bother talking to anyone? I do attend a church, but I'm painfully shy and introverted, and also on the spectrum. I know almost nobody there. I've tried Christian counseling dozens of times. Nothing has ever worked.
 
H

HistoryPrincess

Senior Member
#131
Feb 20, 2016
1,154
266
83
#131
kaylagrl said:
I've been there, I think many of us have. Have you tried the ladies forum? They are usually easy to talk to. Do you have a church you attend? Is there a pastor's wife you could talk with? Getting late here but will check back for your answer tomorrow.
Click to expand...
By the way, how do I know you're being genuine? I see how you've upvoted the comments that were bashing me.
 
H

HistoryPrincess

Senior Member
#132
Feb 20, 2016
1,154
266
83
#132
Everyone, allow me to say that I'm sorry if I sounded condescending and rude. I have no excuse, and I'm trying to improve in my judgment of what I say online and how I say it. I get passionately angry about things and often don't have places or people to vent to. I know that's no excuse but it's a reason.

That said, just remember that you can also hurt someone's feelings by what you say. It hurts even more when it comes from someone who calls themselves a Christian.

Just know that I'm praying both for my poor judgment and those of you who posted those hurtful things.
 
S

Susanna

Guest
#133
#133
I have been a member of this site for more than six years. Rude, disrespectful and hurtful comments are quite common around these parts.

Thing is that if someone is posting something contrary to some of the members beliefs, they will sometimes respond in a not so nice way.

I don’t particularly enjoy saying this, but there are people who are well versed in the noble art of bashing others. At times I’m one of them🙁. Unfortunately.
 
H

HistoryPrincess

Senior Member
#134
Feb 20, 2016
1,154
266
83
#134
Susanna said:
I have been a member of this site for more than six years. Rude, disrespectful and hurtful comments are quite common around these parts.

Thing is that if someone is posting something contrary to some of the members beliefs, they will sometimes respond in a not so nice way.

I don’t particularly enjoy saying this, but there are people who are well versed in the noble art of bashing others. At times I’m one of them🙁. Unfortunately.
Click to expand...
Well, hopefully there are as many decent people as there are awful people. Lord knows.
 
S

Susanna

Guest
#135
#135
The way I see it the biggest problem is the tendency of ganging up when one person first starts bashing someone.

I’ve seen it again and again on here. Someone is posting, someone doesn’t approve of said post, and instantly starts slamming the first poster. Then others start joining in, and before long there is 4-5 posters making 10 posts each per hour to make the first poster stop posting. That’s a plain old Lynch mob.

I know people that have left the site after being attacked repeatedly.

Sad.
 
H

HistoryPrincess

Senior Member
#136
Feb 20, 2016
1,154
266
83
#136
Susanna said:
The way I see it the biggest problem is the tendency of ganging up when one person first starts bashing someone.

I’ve seen it again and again on here. Someone is posting, someone doesn’t approve of said post, and instantly starts slamming the first poster. Then others start joining in, and before long there is 4-5 posters making 10 posts each per hour to make the first poster stop posting. That’s a plain old Lynch mob.

I know people that have left the site after being attacked repeatedly.

Sad.
Click to expand...
Sure is. But we can only control our own actions, and reactions.
 
A

Adstar

Senior Member
#137
Jul 24, 2016
7,600
3,624
113
#137
HistoryPrincess said:
We would be respecting each other and being polite for the wrong reasons though.
Click to expand...
True.. But still life in such a town would be more peaceful and less dangerous then living in a gun free zone where all law abiding people where unarmed and all the criminals and crazies have guns..

Jesus said we are to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us. In your scenario, we would treat every living person like a target. And I thought everyone was made in God's image.
Click to expand...
Those who Love the teachings of Jesus will be doing those things irrespective of the situation in regard to guns in their town.. They would not be doing good out of fear of the consequences, they would be doing good because they love what is good..

We wouldn't trust anyone. We barely even do as it is. And love cannot be built without trust. Give everyone a firearm, and when the wrong person uses it at the wrong time, you get utter chaos and anarchy.
Click to expand...
People find love in the middle of war zones.. Love can be built on the desire to love.. As for me i only Trust in God.. I hope in other human beings, but i do not trust any human being.. In the cases i have seen of a person intervening in a shooter situation the person did not go crazy with their gun and shot up everyone around them.. So no chaos would be very rare..

The early Christians laid down their rights to carry weapons and were willing to be martyred for their faith. You know why? Cause they loved rather than hated. Where's that faith and bravery now?
Click to expand...
I agree, I do not use a weapon and i rely on God for protection and if God deems that it is my time to die and i am going to die by being shot then so be it....

But in the general society, which is mostly filled with people who do not believe Jesus, they will treat others with more respect and they will resist the temptation to rape, steal or kill if they know that there is a high probability that the people around them are armed and loaded.. Christians are motivated by Love not to do evil.. Many Unbelievers need the motivation of fear not to do evil..


Thing is, fear does not bring about lasting change. People always get fed up with their fear anyway and ignore the consequences.
Click to expand...
Well if they become suicidal and they are motivated to try doing evil then yeah fear does not work.. But the fear of bad consequences does stop most of them taking things to that level.. You are never going to stop evil happening 100% but if you reduce the incidences by 95% then that is good..


Small children in daycare centers especially should not be surrounded with firearms. If I had a child, I wouldn't take them there.
Click to expand...
Well the gun can be secure in its holster.. Of course you do not allow kids to start playing with Guns.. The gun should be on your person at all times.. A chest holster under your shirt would be best in such a situation..
 
H

HistoryPrincess

Senior Member
#138
Feb 20, 2016
1,154
266
83
#138
Adstar said:
True.. But still life in such a town would be more peaceful and less dangerous then living in a gun free zone where all law abiding people where unarmed and all the criminals and crazies have guns..



Those who Love the teachings of Jesus will be doing those things irrespective of the situation in regard to guns in their town.. They would not be doing good out of fear of the consequences, they would be doing good because they love what is good..



People find love in the middle of war zones.. Love can be built on the desire to love.. As for me i only Trust in God.. I hope in other human beings, but i do not trust any human being.. In the cases i have seen of a person intervening in a shooter situation the person did not go crazy with their gun and shot up everyone around them.. So no chaos would be very rare..



I agree, I do not use a weapon and i rely on God for protection and if God deems that it is my time to die and i am going to die by being shot then so be it....

But in the general society, which is mostly filled with people who do not believe Jesus, they will treat others with more respect and they will resist the temptation to rape, steal or kill if they know that there is a high probability that the people around them are armed and loaded.. Christians are motivated by Love not to do evil.. Many Unbelievers need the motivation of fear not to do evil..




Well if they become suicidal and they are motivated to try doing evil then yeah fear does not work.. But the fear of bad consequences does stop most of them taking things to that level.. You are never going to stop evil happening 100% but if you reduce the incidences by 95% then that is good..




Well the gun can be secure in its holster.. Of course you do not allow kids to start playing with Guns.. The gun should be on your person at all times.. A chest holster under your shirt would be best in such a situation..
Click to expand...
I wouldn’t feel safe living in a neighborhood where everyone has a firearm on them. I don’t carry a firearm because I don’t have the training to use it, nor do I want the training. Most ordinary people with gun training don’t have the training to defend other people at a moment’s notice. I don’t want to accidentally shoot the wrong person.

So no. More “good guys with guns” are not the answer. Besides, those same good guys only try to stop someone once he starts shooting people. And by then the damage is already done.

Most people are law abiding citizens and people with mental illness suffer enough stigma as it is.

You don’t trust anyone? That’s sad. That’s why our society is crumbling. We don’t trust anyone anymore.

What I mean is I don’t want kids like my niece having to think that their teacher needs a gun to keep the kids safe. It ironically robs a child of their sense of safety. And regardless of whether or not you keep it on your person, they’re gonna find a way to get it.
 
K

kaylagrl

Guest
#139
#139
HistoryPrincess said:
By the way, how do I know you're being genuine? I see how you've upvoted the comments that were bashing me.
Click to expand...

Because there is a difference between a straight forward discussion of views and talking with someone who is clearly speaking from a place of hurt. IMO you don't need to be discussing here, I think it will only hurt you more. I'm mature enough and astute enough to tell the difference between a person lashing out from a place of hurt vs arrogance. I believe you're the former and I hope others take note. Whether you think I'm genuine or not is up to you.
 
K

kaylagrl

Guest
#140
#140
HistoryPrincess said:
Why bother talking to anyone? I do attend a church, but I'm painfully shy and introverted, and also on the spectrum. I know almost nobody there. I've tried Christian counseling dozens of times. Nothing has ever worked.
Click to expand...
I have two nephews that have been on medication for anxiety and other issues. My 14yr old nephew is shy and has few friends. I worry about him. He seems open to talk to me and then he tells me not to tell anyone,not even his parents. I want to help him, I'm just not sure how to. I try to stay close but he lives two hours away. He is living in an unstable family situation right now so he has no one to turn to. I say all that to say sometimes people want to help but don't know how. Unfortunately the church is the worst for this. They have little or no training in these issues, or marriage and family issues. I wish I had an answer for you and my nephews, I honestly don't. But I'm looking for answers, that's certain.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.