This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

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Lanolin

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I'm browsing channels late night, can't sleep. I come across One America News Network, which is my hubby's favorite because they don't cloud reporting with partisan bias. Me, I don't watch the news or read the newspapers.

In this one late night segment tonight it is all Corona virus related. All reporting. Maybe I was suppose to see this.
In Spain, their death toll to the virus has topped China. In Spain police are arresting anyone found outside because they're disobeying the lawful order to stay home. But the cops aren't doing that. What makes them immune to the virus?

A New Jersey man is facing years in prison for allegedly coughing in a woman's face and telling her he has the virus. He's being prosecuted under a terrorism law here in the U.S..
A New Jersey man has been charged with making terroristic threats after allegedly coughing in the direction of a local supermarket employee and claiming he suffered from the coronavirus
The story below. Full report is here.
. The state's attorney general, Gurbir Grewal, announced the charges against George Falcone on Tuesday.

Here's how his office explains what happened at a Wegmans supermarket on Sunday evening:


"The employee was concerned that Falcone was standing too close to her and an open display of prepared foods, so she requested that he step back as she covered the food. Instead, Falcone allegedly stepped forward to within 3 feet of her, leaned toward her, and purposely coughed. He allegedly laughed and said he was infected with the coronavirus. Falcone subsequently told two other employees they are lucky to have jobs."​

In addition to the third-degree terrorist threats charge, the attorney general's office has also accused Falcone, 50, of harassment and obstructing law or other governmental functions. All told, Grewal says the man now faces the possibility of more than six years in state prison and thousands of dollars in fines.... [more]

New York allegedly has the highest number of cases currently of CV patients. The Maryland governor today said anyone who travels in the tri-state area, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, will be required to self-quarantine for 14 days! (The Hill article) How are they going to enforce that exactly?
Florida is doing the same thing with regards to anyone who traveled to NYC in the last three weeks. Again, how are they going to ascertain this in order to insure compliance?

In China not that long ago news broadcasts showed China police members stopping cars and checking people for the virus by taking their temperature.

Sweden however is a whole different thing. Their businesses are open and opening earlier than usual to accommodate shoppers. Their PM said that they have to trust their people to do what is right during this crisis.

Our U.S military is on shutdown, all personnel ordered to stay where they are, for the next three weeks.
Military bases close to visitors, cancel events, place service members under quarantine to stop virus

Florida and Texas have been declared disaster areas by President Trump, due to Corona.
Sweden is open for business. Their businesses are opening early to accommodate shoppers. The PM there saying they have to trust their people know how to be responsible during this Corona virus pandemic. Meanwhile, the Democrats here on the hill are condemning Trump for not being more strict on business shut downs because the economy isn't worth people risking their lives to the virus.
Syria has issued a curfew order due to Corona. There's talk in America of travel ban's between states.

OK, here's the thought. Years ago there was this news story that hit the air once, and wasn't repeated after the first airing. Which is odd. The report concerned prisons being built but not populated by prisoners after construction was finished. Railroad tracks being laid behind them too. And a ghost staff manning the facilities.
As I recall these were going up in the central U.S. mainly. Many in the area thought they were to take the pressure off what was even then a huge issue of prison overcrowding in all states. Yet, those new prisons remained empty of prisoners. Of course conspiracy theorists then, this was during Bush43, were saying it was going to be a FEMA control that was going to come into power and dissidents were to be housed in those prisons. Slowly that rumor faded.

What if those prisons remain empty still? Only now with this Corona virus panic will soon be filled with people who refuse to comply with the following. Self quarantine. And also, refusing to not travel outside home state lines. Also, remember that guy who's facing terrorism charges for coughing and telling the grocery employee he had Corona?

What if those who will also populate those prisons are people who appear sick while out in public? The ultimate self-quarantine afforded by being taken into government custody for a term. When this virus is said to be able to lay dormant for 14 days before any symptoms appear, where is the red flag ? Wherever a government order plants it.
thatis very interesting how people in america view things.
the police actually dont have immunity, nobody does if they dont do the right thing.
Im sorry but if you have loved ones whod been overseas and come into contact with this virus, you would be very concerend right now. I know america is a huge country, and it might not seem like it will affect you oersonally but it will.
 

Lanolin

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even with a 'regular flu' it can be devastating even if you dont die of it. if you have asmal, or,large business, this will,affect your workforce. if you live in a refirment village or on your own who is going to be looking after YOU when you get sick.
 

Lanolin

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thos people treating it all as a joke are not funny IMHO.
 
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thatis very interesting how people in america view things.
the police actually dont have immunity, nobody does if they dont do the right thing.
Im sorry but if you have loved ones whod been overseas and come into contact with this virus, you would be very concerend right now. I know america is a huge country, and it might not seem like it will affect you oersonally but it will.
Why does this have to be about a single country all of a sudden, people in America is viewing it the same as another people any where. if you want to start naming things people are not being concerned just in America I can no doubt find news in New Zealand of people not concerned with about the virus.
 
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EleventhHour

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the share of deaths by pre-existing condition. Rather, it represents, for a patient with a given pre-existing condition, the risk of dying if infected by COVID-19.

PRE-EXISTING CONDITION
DEATH RATE
confirmed cases
DEATH RATE
all cases
Cardiovascular disease
13.2%
10.5%
Diabetes
9.2%
7.3%
Chronic respiratory disease
8.0%
6.3%
Hypertension
8.4%
6.0%
Cancer
7.6%
5.6%
no pre-existing conditions

0.9%

*Death Rate = (number of deaths / number of cases) = probability of dying if infected by the virus (%). The percentages do not have to add up to 100%, as they do NOT represent share of deaths by condition.
Any virus or even bacterial infection is more problematic for less healthy people.

Not sure what the point is?
 
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EleventhHour

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thos people treating it all as a joke are not funny IMHO.
I would absolutely agree on that.
Worse yet people that think we can just carry on and and open everything back up and problem solved.
 
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EleventhHour

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Could this vaccine that the whole world seems to be longing for be the mark of the beast. After all they have created so much fear that when the vaccine is found will not most people be lining up to get it thinking it is just a vaccine. Just a weird thought I had??
I do not think so the mark is not taken "willingly" in scripture
 

Lanolin

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you try running a classroom when you have a headache and its noisy and you want to just lie down and rest. try speaking when you have a cought or itchy throat. Try appearing in pulic with a constant runny nose. that maybe a cold, a flu is different again and so is a fever.

do you know anything about viruses and how contagious they can be?
when heaps of people die of this all at once and you survive how are you going to handle looking after them?
 

Lanolin

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sorry pps but I guess ppl arent taking this seriously enough. My country has a level 4 national state of emergency.

we are doing eveything we can to look after each other through this.
 
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sorry pps but I guess ppl arent taking this seriously enough. My country has a level 4 national state of emergency.

we are doing eveything we can to look after each other through this.
America has gone to war time state of emergency, what is your point? you seem to fixed on what America isn’t doing
 

Lanolin

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Imagine if the media reported how many people die each day from heart attack, cancer, aneurysm, etc... would it put the deaths due to this one strain into perspective?
they do in the deaths columns. dont you read them. I suppose you dont pay any attnrtion.or pray for their loved ones left behind.
 

Lanolin

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America has gone to war time state of emergency, what is your point? you seem to fixed on what America isn’t doing
its because the OP was talking about american and the majority of posters seem to be american and frankly rsther arrogant or ignorant.
 

Lanolin

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she wrote she was watching one american news.
well if you dont live in america you would get your own countries news but you can actually access all thw worlds different news online or through radio. its not hard.
 
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its because the OP was talking about american and the majority of posters seem to be american and frankly rsther arrogant or ignorant.
so are you saying you found yourself obligated to respond in the same manner?
 
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The "hype" I am referring to is the overdriving dramatization and exaggeration that makes a mole hill into a mountain and a virus outbreak into the end of the world -- for the express purpose of advancing an agenda.
I would like you to go yell that out in the middle of a Piazza in Italy, or perhaps to the doctors and nurses there?
Yes I really would.

Pandemics have happened in history before and there was no agenda.
Coddled generations that no nothing of history....smh
 

Lanolin

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I do work in broadcasting and yes there are protocols on how news is reported.
 

Lanolin

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people dont seem to understand the gravity of the situation thinkin their own lives are never at risk. well tell that to the drunk driver who smashes into YOUR car
 
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I would like you to go yell that out in the middle of a Piazza in Italy, or perhaps to the doctors and nurses there?
Yes I really would.

Pandemics have happened in in history before and there was no agenda.
Coddled generations that no nothing of history....smh
the ones that are left, the alarming stat in Italy has been I think so far 50 doctors that have died from getting the corona virus, not sure how many nurses but it might get to a point where there are not enough qualified practitioners to help to growing numbers of the infected and in need of help.
 

blue_ladybug

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I thought it was...

Just trying to interject a little humor.
Then find something that IS funny, to interject..

Your comment was in poor taste, talking about multi-car pile-ups that usually result in death.. Isn't there already enough deaths going on right now??