Senate passes same-sex marriage bill with bipartisan support
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Yes it does say that. Pretending otherwise doesn't make it true. Secular law protects everyone's rights because not everyone in America is Christian
This is that persecution complex I'm talking about. A lot of Christians in America think anything less than 100% compliance to their demands equates to them being persecuted
This is that persecution complex I'm talking about. A lot of Christians in America think anything less than 100% compliance to their demands equates to them being persecuted
Christianity wasn't the cause if that's what you are implying. There were many different reasons. One predominant reason was the expanse of the Empire, a Eastern and Western that had saw one shift of power to another which weakened the Empire and the attacks of the Germanic barbarians with the rising threat of Islamic Jihad in the south, southeast and southwest. But this is just among many reasons. Over the years, morals declined as the Empire progressed. Even under the pagan gods and goddesses the Roman Republic had a high moral ethics that they religiously and by discipline lived up to. All this would convert to Christianity with one God instead of polytheism, then like America decline into a culture almost absent of morals or a adherence to the religious teachings of generations past.
I'm not pretending.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
So how does a heterosexual marriage law reinforce the establishment of religion? Where does it say you must worship Jesus?
Laws are legislated from morality. The debate is always over the morality of the left wing and right wing parties in a 2 party system. You have the morality of atheists, communists, libertarians, Republicans, Conservatives, liberals, Democrats, Etc.
There is no religious tests in our government to run for office because you can not separate conscience from mind.
But I agree Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. I do not see a Theocracy as God's will.
Beyond that, I will vote my morals that is best for the health, wealth, and security of the nation.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
So how does a heterosexual marriage law reinforce the establishment of religion? Where does it say you must worship Jesus?
Laws are legislated from morality. The debate is always over the morality of the left wing and right wing parties in a 2 party system. You have the morality of atheists, communists, libertarians, Republicans, Conservatives, liberals, Democrats, Etc.
There is no religious tests in our government to run for office because you can not separate conscience from mind.
But I agree Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. I do not see a Theocracy as God's will.
Beyond that, I will vote my morals that is best for the health, wealth, and security of the nation.
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Actually they spelled out their reasons in great detail when they made this ruling.
Justice Samuel Alito said that the only legitimate unenumerated rights — that is, rights not explicitly stated in the Constitution — are those “deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and tradition” and “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty.” Abortion, the majority held, is not such a right.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-v-wade-and-supreme-court-abortion-cases
This ruling does not make abortion illegal, it simply says that it is not in the constitution and therefore it is up to each state to decide.
What made no sense was the original Roe v Wade ruling that the right to be safe from warrantless searches meant that abortion was a constitutional right in all 50 states. The US government and the state governments regulate the health care industry but for some strange reason they can't regulate abortion?
All 50 states can regulate hunting and shooting of animals but they aren't allowed to regulate the killing of babies?
Justice Samuel Alito said that the only legitimate unenumerated rights — that is, rights not explicitly stated in the Constitution — are those “deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and tradition” and “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty.” Abortion, the majority held, is not such a right.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/roe-v-wade-and-supreme-court-abortion-cases
This ruling does not make abortion illegal, it simply says that it is not in the constitution and therefore it is up to each state to decide.
What made no sense was the original Roe v Wade ruling that the right to be safe from warrantless searches meant that abortion was a constitutional right in all 50 states. The US government and the state governments regulate the health care industry but for some strange reason they can't regulate abortion?
All 50 states can regulate hunting and shooting of animals but they aren't allowed to regulate the killing of babies?
Sexual orientation is not a behavior or an action. your own orientation requires no action for you to be heterosexual. You didn't have to have any sort of sex or engage in any emotional bonding or romantic behaviors to be heterosexual.
All, and i do mean all of it All of the evidence says that orientation is an inborn and immutable trait, just like race or right/left handedness or eye color or blood type.
and if a baker believes that people of color are condemned by God to be the social and moral inferiors to whites does that give that baker the right to put out a "white's only" sign on his store?
If you are going to go into business providing the public with goods and services then you get to do that for all people, even the ones you don't happen to like. If you can't set aside your prejudices and treat everyone who comes into your business with the same courtesy and respect then you shouldn't be in business.
you mean they refused to provide the same service they were happily providing to everyone else.
why should you have the special right to discriminate?
and the constitution says that everyone is equal in the eyes of the law and no one gets to discriminate against a minority period.
you are free to believe what you wish and dislike anyone you choose but discrimination is something someone does, not who they are or even what they believe. Discrimination is an action and actions have consequences.
you discriminate against people, your justifications for choosing to discriminate don't change discrimination into something good its still discrimination.
All, and i do mean all of it All of the evidence says that orientation is an inborn and immutable trait, just like race or right/left handedness or eye color or blood type.
and if a baker believes that people of color are condemned by God to be the social and moral inferiors to whites does that give that baker the right to put out a "white's only" sign on his store?
If you are going to go into business providing the public with goods and services then you get to do that for all people, even the ones you don't happen to like. If you can't set aside your prejudices and treat everyone who comes into your business with the same courtesy and respect then you shouldn't be in business.
you mean they refused to provide the same service they were happily providing to everyone else.
why should you have the special right to discriminate?
and the constitution says that everyone is equal in the eyes of the law and no one gets to discriminate against a minority period.
you are free to believe what you wish and dislike anyone you choose but discrimination is something someone does, not who they are or even what they believe. Discrimination is an action and actions have consequences.
you discriminate against people, your justifications for choosing to discriminate don't change discrimination into something good its still discrimination.
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(then a trial is held to determine if said discrimination took place and just what laws were broken in engaging in that discrimination. For example in Brown v the Board of education the courts found that when the Topika Board of Education segregated students they were engaging in discrimination and violating the constitution.)
So for your religious beliefs on marriage you are willing to be dragged into court everytime someone screams discrimination? Do you now how expensive this is? [/quote] the solution to that is simple. Don't discriminate
yes, quite a few churches abuse government protections and tax exemption.
but that doesn't change the fact that no priest or minister can ever be forced to engage in a ceremony he or she doesn't want to.
so again, just how are you personally being persecuted?
No those were state laws that forbid discrimination. If that baker had turned away a black couple the consequences woudl have been exactly the same
the military requires vaccinations for anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio as well. Do these constitute harassment?
Citation?
Should an employer who is a Jehovah's Witness be allowed to dictate that their employees cannot receive blood transfusions?
Here is the court's decision, you should read it
So for your religious beliefs on marriage you are willing to be dragged into court everytime someone screams discrimination? Do you now how expensive this is? [/quote] the solution to that is simple. Don't discriminate
yes, quite a few churches abuse government protections and tax exemption.
but that doesn't change the fact that no priest or minister can ever be forced to engage in a ceremony he or she doesn't want to.
so again, just how are you personally being persecuted?
No those were state laws that forbid discrimination. If that baker had turned away a black couple the consequences woudl have been exactly the same
the military requires vaccinations for anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio as well. Do these constitute harassment?
Citation?
Should an employer who is a Jehovah's Witness be allowed to dictate that their employees cannot receive blood transfusions?
Here is the court's decision, you should read it
Christians are the ones who lead the charge for all those things. Some even devoted their whole lives to such causes. It's a shame you don't actually want to have an exchange of ideas and just hurl insult and innuendo. You could profit much if you would do so.
Has someone calling themselves Christian harmed you in the past?
Has someone calling themselves Christian harmed you in the past?
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Passage of the marriage act is a slap in the face to God and Jesus' definition of marriage.
Don't look to the government for your moral guidance. Keep in mind that the government, and it's laws, supported slavery/segregation, no voting rights for women, abortion for many years.
The goverrnment grouses/grubs for their power/votes and generally comes up with the 'wind blowingflavor of the day', not to be mistaken for being morally right, only politically correct.
Don't look to the government for your moral guidance. Keep in mind that the government, and it's laws, supported slavery/segregation, no voting rights for women, abortion for many years.
The goverrnment grouses/grubs for their power/votes and generally comes up with the 'wind blowingflavor of the day', not to be mistaken for being morally right, only politically correct.
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Is this an admission that godly values are codified by godly men led by a sovereign and loving Creator who see dignity in all life created a governing system that allows all to participate and bring change to the betterment of all?
Your problem isn't with Christians. They seek your highest good. Your grievance is with the ungodly and ultimately with God Himself. You don't wish to follow Him.
Again I ask, have you been hurt in the past by someone who claimed to be a Christian?
It dawned on me just now...if Christians are to blame, our failure has been that we ourselves have been guilty of not praying enough and more stringently adhering to God's ways.
I am going to make a point to pray for you each day.
Your problem isn't with Christians. They seek your highest good. Your grievance is with the ungodly and ultimately with God Himself. You don't wish to follow Him.
Again I ask, have you been hurt in the past by someone who claimed to be a Christian?
It dawned on me just now...if Christians are to blame, our failure has been that we ourselves have been guilty of not praying enough and more stringently adhering to God's ways.
I am going to make a point to pray for you each day.
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the solution to that is simple. Don't discriminate
yes, quite a few churches abuse government protections and tax exemption.
but that doesn't change the fact that no priest or minister can ever be forced to engage in a ceremony he or she doesn't want to.
so again, just how are you personally being persecuted?
No those were state laws that forbid discrimination. If that baker had turned away a black couple the consequences woudl have been exactly the same
the military requires vaccinations for anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio as well. Do these constitute harassment?
Citation?
Should an employer who is a Jehovah's Witness be allowed to dictate that their employees cannot receive blood transfusions?
Here is the court's decision, you should read it[/QUOTE]
(the solution to that is simple. Don't discriminate)
By your beliefs as a Christian on heterosexual marriage you could be labeled under a hate group which the government has already under Biden given mandatory training for identifying hate groups which in the training it listed radical pro life or anti- LGBT groups. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/us-army-defines-christian-ministry-as-domestic-hate-group
You act as if your immune but really just blind being led to the wolf.
(yes, quite a few churches abuse government protections and tax exemption. )
This doesn't imply all religious organizations should be persicuted for their heterosexual marriage beliefs.
(but that doesn't change the fact that no priest or minister can ever be forced to engage in a ceremony he or she doesn't want to. )
Your apathy will lead to this.
( so again, just how are you personally being persecuted?)
My taxes, my kids, and my grandkids will be affected by this nonsense. Probably more of us average citizens as well in this generation.
So persecution in China isn't worthy to speak on if it isn't happening to you?
(No those were state laws that forbid discrimination. If that baker had turned away a black couple the consequences woudl have been exactly the same)
It made national attention which influences others decisions and the court ruling would have affected more people than just the state.
(the military requires vaccinations for anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio as well. Do these constitute harassment?)
What constitutes harassment is most religious exemptions were denied without even looking at each exemption. Which is why under investigation the branches have lost the battle but unfortunately many Christians were forced out the military. Also, Covid is not a threat to our young soldiers like anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio.
(Citation?)
One of many sources.
https://pilgrimsbeacon.com/why-is-obama-deporting-christian-refugees-seeking-asylum/
( Should an employer who is a Jehovah's Witness be allowed to dictate that their employees cannot receive blood transfusions?)
Are you saying this is the same as being forced to pay for contraceptive, abortions, etc?
( Here is the court's decision, you should read it)
Thanks, what of it?
yes, quite a few churches abuse government protections and tax exemption.
but that doesn't change the fact that no priest or minister can ever be forced to engage in a ceremony he or she doesn't want to.
so again, just how are you personally being persecuted?
No those were state laws that forbid discrimination. If that baker had turned away a black couple the consequences woudl have been exactly the same
the military requires vaccinations for anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio as well. Do these constitute harassment?
Citation?
Should an employer who is a Jehovah's Witness be allowed to dictate that their employees cannot receive blood transfusions?
Here is the court's decision, you should read it[/QUOTE]
(the solution to that is simple. Don't discriminate)
By your beliefs as a Christian on heterosexual marriage you could be labeled under a hate group which the government has already under Biden given mandatory training for identifying hate groups which in the training it listed radical pro life or anti- LGBT groups. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/us-army-defines-christian-ministry-as-domestic-hate-group
You act as if your immune but really just blind being led to the wolf.
(yes, quite a few churches abuse government protections and tax exemption. )
This doesn't imply all religious organizations should be persicuted for their heterosexual marriage beliefs.
(but that doesn't change the fact that no priest or minister can ever be forced to engage in a ceremony he or she doesn't want to. )
Your apathy will lead to this.
( so again, just how are you personally being persecuted?)
My taxes, my kids, and my grandkids will be affected by this nonsense. Probably more of us average citizens as well in this generation.
So persecution in China isn't worthy to speak on if it isn't happening to you?
(No those were state laws that forbid discrimination. If that baker had turned away a black couple the consequences woudl have been exactly the same)
It made national attention which influences others decisions and the court ruling would have affected more people than just the state.
(the military requires vaccinations for anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio as well. Do these constitute harassment?)
What constitutes harassment is most religious exemptions were denied without even looking at each exemption. Which is why under investigation the branches have lost the battle but unfortunately many Christians were forced out the military. Also, Covid is not a threat to our young soldiers like anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio.
(Citation?)
One of many sources.
https://pilgrimsbeacon.com/why-is-obama-deporting-christian-refugees-seeking-asylum/
( Should an employer who is a Jehovah's Witness be allowed to dictate that their employees cannot receive blood transfusions?)
Are you saying this is the same as being forced to pay for contraceptive, abortions, etc?
( Here is the court's decision, you should read it)
Thanks, what of it?
(the solution to that is simple. Don't discriminate)
By your beliefs as a Christian on heterosexual marriage you could be labeled under a hate group which the government has already under Biden given mandatory training for identifying hate groups which in the training it listed radical pro life or anti- LGBT groups. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/us-army-defines-christian-ministry-as-domestic-hate-group
You act as if your immune but really just blind being led to the wolf.
(yes, quite a few churches abuse government protections and tax exemption. )
This doesn't imply all religious organizations should be persicuted for their heterosexual marriage beliefs.
(but that doesn't change the fact that no priest or minister can ever be forced to engage in a ceremony he or she doesn't want to. )
Your apathy will lead to this.
( so again, just how are you personally being persecuted?)
My taxes, my kids, and my grandkids will be affected by this nonsense. Probably more of us average citizens as well in this generation.
So persecution in China isn't worthy to speak on if it isn't happening to you?
(No those were state laws that forbid discrimination. If that baker had turned away a black couple the consequences woudl have been exactly the same)
It made national attention which influences others decisions and the court ruling would have affected more people than just the state.
(the military requires vaccinations for anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio as well. Do these constitute harassment?)
What constitutes harassment is most religious exemptions were denied without even looking at each exemption. Which is why under investigation the branches have lost the battle but unfortunately many Christians were forced out the military. Also, Covid is not a threat to our young soldiers like anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio.
(Citation?)
One of many sources.
https://pilgrimsbeacon.com/why-is-obama-deporting-christian-refugees-seeking-asylum/
( Should an employer who is a Jehovah's Witness be allowed to dictate that their employees cannot receive blood transfusions?)
Are you saying this is the same as being forced to pay for contraceptive, abortions, etc?
( Here is the court's decision, you should read it)
Thanks, what of it?[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's the point I was making earlier. They think anything less than 100% compliance to their demands equates to them being persecuted
"Oh no I'm so persecuted over two people making a life decision that has zero effect on me"
By your beliefs as a Christian on heterosexual marriage you could be labeled under a hate group which the government has already under Biden given mandatory training for identifying hate groups which in the training it listed radical pro life or anti- LGBT groups. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/us-army-defines-christian-ministry-as-domestic-hate-group
You act as if your immune but really just blind being led to the wolf.
(yes, quite a few churches abuse government protections and tax exemption. )
This doesn't imply all religious organizations should be persicuted for their heterosexual marriage beliefs.
(but that doesn't change the fact that no priest or minister can ever be forced to engage in a ceremony he or she doesn't want to. )
Your apathy will lead to this.
( so again, just how are you personally being persecuted?)
My taxes, my kids, and my grandkids will be affected by this nonsense. Probably more of us average citizens as well in this generation.
So persecution in China isn't worthy to speak on if it isn't happening to you?
(No those were state laws that forbid discrimination. If that baker had turned away a black couple the consequences woudl have been exactly the same)
It made national attention which influences others decisions and the court ruling would have affected more people than just the state.
(the military requires vaccinations for anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio as well. Do these constitute harassment?)
What constitutes harassment is most religious exemptions were denied without even looking at each exemption. Which is why under investigation the branches have lost the battle but unfortunately many Christians were forced out the military. Also, Covid is not a threat to our young soldiers like anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio.
(Citation?)
One of many sources.
https://pilgrimsbeacon.com/why-is-obama-deporting-christian-refugees-seeking-asylum/
( Should an employer who is a Jehovah's Witness be allowed to dictate that their employees cannot receive blood transfusions?)
Are you saying this is the same as being forced to pay for contraceptive, abortions, etc?
( Here is the court's decision, you should read it)
Thanks, what of it?[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's the point I was making earlier. They think anything less than 100% compliance to their demands equates to them being persecuted
"Oh no I'm so persecuted over two people making a life decision that has zero effect on me"