Senate passes same-sex marriage bill with bipartisan support

[Roughsoul1991]

(the solution to that is simple. Don't discriminate)

By your beliefs as a Christian on heterosexual marriage you could be labeled under a hate group which the government has already under Biden given mandatory training for identifying hate groups which in the training it listed radical pro life or anti- LGBT groups. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/us-army-defines-christian-ministry-as-domestic-hate-group

You act as if your immune but really just blind being led to the wolf.


(yes, quite a few churches abuse government protections and tax exemption. )

This doesn't imply all religious organizations should be persicuted for their heterosexual marriage beliefs.

(but that doesn't change the fact that no priest or minister can ever be forced to engage in a ceremony he or she doesn't want to. )

Your apathy will lead to this.

( so again, just how are you personally being persecuted?)

My taxes, my kids, and my grandkids will be affected by this nonsense. Probably more of us average citizens as well in this generation.

So persecution in China isn't worthy to speak on if it isn't happening to you?

(No those were state laws that forbid discrimination. If that baker had turned away a black couple the consequences woudl have been exactly the same)

It made national attention which influences others decisions and the court ruling would have affected more people than just the state.


(the military requires vaccinations for anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio as well. Do these constitute harassment?)

What constitutes harassment is most religious exemptions were denied without even looking at each exemption. Which is why under investigation the branches have lost the battle but unfortunately many Christians were forced out the military. Also, Covid is not a threat to our young soldiers like anthrax, diphtheria, measles, tetanus and polio.


(Citation?)

One of many sources.

https://pilgrimsbeacon.com/why-is-obama-deporting-christian-refugees-seeking-asylum/

( Should an employer who is a Jehovah's Witness be allowed to dictate that their employees cannot receive blood transfusions?)

Are you saying this is the same as being forced to pay for contraceptive, abortions, etc?


( Here is the court's decision, you should read it)

Thanks, what of it?

Yeah that's the point I was making earlier. They think anything less than 100% compliance to their demands equates to them being persecuted
"Oh no I'm so persecuted over two people making a life decision that has zero effect on me"[/QUOTE]

Read the post that I just responded to your post. It all effects you someway somehow or will very soon. It shouldn't matter anyways if it doesn't affect you. If you love your neighbor and it's harmful to them then wouldn't you wish to prevent it? Why have laws on underage drinking?

 

[Dude653]

No reason? Sociological factors, birth/death rates, disease, cost of medical insurance and taxes, the social construct of the family being absent of one biological father or mother. These are real issues for a nation to consider.

If a gay couple isn't having kids which they don't tend to do then that's not relevant
I on't see how taxes are relevant either, how does same-sex marriage affect tax rates?
Don't see how it's relevant to the cost of health insurance either. If your argument is stds, heterosexual people get STDs all the time
One of my friends got chlamydia because his wife was cheating on him
So I don't see how any of these arguments you made are relevant

 

[Cameron143]

You don't have a right to force your "Godly values" on other people.
Imagine trying to tell someone that he doesn't have the right to not follow your religion. Pretentious much?

Morality is a byproduct of our founding. My desire isn't to force anything on anyone. My desire is a person's highest good. Religion doesn't serve this function. Only a relationship with God will ever satisfy the deepest longings of the human heart. Because you don't have this relationship, you seek to satisfy these longings in temporal things. You don't understand that righteousness exalts a nation and that as people move further and further into sin, God moves in judgment and withholds blessing. Thus, you ignorantly bring about your own demise and support others who do the same.
I see this as a great tragedy. If God in grace and mercy were to unveil this understanding to you, and imprint his word upon your heart, you too would understand that what you promote is bringing harm and not good. And I truly hope that He does, not only for you, but for all.
What you perceive as pretentiousness is actually a concern for your well-being.

 

[Dude653]

Morality is a byproduct of our founding. My desire isn't to force anything on anyone. My desire is a person's highest good. Religion doesn't serve this function. Only a relationship with God will ever satisfy the deepest longings of the human heart. Because you don't have this relationship, you seek to satisfy these longings in temporal things. You don't understand that righteousness exalts a nation and that as people move further and further into sin, God moves in judgment and withholds blessing. Thus, you ignorantly bring about your own demise and support others who do the same.
I see this as a great tragedy. If God in grace and mercy were to unveil this understanding to you, and imprint his word upon your heart, you too would understand that what you promote is bringing harm and not good. And I truly hope that He does, not only for you, but for all.
What you perceive as pretentiousness is actually a concern for your well-being.

Well that's where we're going to disagree because in my opinion a consensual relationship between two adults has nothing to do with morality
That's why you don't get to force your morals on me. I have constitutional rights
If you believe its immoral to eat hot dogs on Thursday that don't do it, you can't force it on me

 

[Roughsoul1991]

If a gay couple isn't having kids which they don't tend to do then that's not relevant
I on't see how taxes are relevant either, how does same-sex marriage affect tax rates?
Don't see how it's relevant to the cost of health insurance either. If your argument is stds, heterosexual people get STDs all the time
One of my friends got chlamydia because his wife was cheating on him
So I don't see how any of these arguments you made are relevant

(If a gay couple isn't having kids which they don't tend to do then that's not relevant)

But they are playing marriage with kids. So it is relevant.

(I on't see how taxes are relevant either, how does same-sex marriage affect tax rates?)

Taxes pay for Medicaid and Medicair. Taxes pay for the ills of poor family structures as well. Look at the statistics of a fatherless home.

(Don't see how it's relevant to the cost of health insurance either. If your argument is stds, heterosexual people get STDs all the time
One of my friends got chlamydia because his wife was cheating on him)

It is statistically obvious which group is most prone and transmittance of STDs. The higher the cost of healthcare on the whole affects the individual paying in.

(So I don't see how any of these arguments you made are relevant)

Why does car insurance go up? Ours went up due to reckless driving in big cities. Why are smokers put lower on the list of heart transplants? They live an unhealthy lifestyle.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Morality is a byproduct of our founding. My desire isn't to force anything on anyone. My desire is a person's highest good. Religion doesn't serve this function. Only a relationship with God will ever satisfy the deepest longings of the human heart. Because you don't have this relationship, you seek to satisfy these longings in temporal things. You don't understand that righteousness exalts a nation and that as people move further and further into sin, God moves in judgment and withholds blessing. Thus, you ignorantly bring about your own demise and support others who do the same.
I see this as a great tragedy. If God in grace and mercy were to unveil this understanding to you, and imprint his word upon your heart, you too would understand that what you promote is bringing harm and not good. And I truly hope that He does, not only for you, but for all.
What you perceive as pretentiousness is actually a concern for your well-being.

Idk about you but I'm forcing my morality that says thou shall not murder. I'll force that anywhere possible including abortion.

 

[shittim]

Well that's where we're going to disagree because in my opinion a consensual relationship between two adults has nothing to do with morality
That's why you don't get to force your morals on me. I have constitutional rights
If you believe its immoral to eat hot dogs on Thursday that don't do it, you can't force it on me

And this is why you are widely recognized as a person who posts ignorantly.
Only a lost and ignorant person would live for this life which will pass and not for their eternity as the Lord and Savior commands.

 

[Dude653]

Idk about you but I'm forcing my morality that says thou shall not murder. I'll force that anywhere possible including abortion.

False equivalency.
You're trying to equate a consensual relationship between two adults to taking someone's life. They're not even remotely the same thing
Because one situation has a victim and the other doesn't

 

[Lanolin]

The republicans and the democrats should be allowed to marry each other - after all, its the UNITED states not the divorced and seperated states.

 

[Dude653]

The republicans and the democrats should be allowed to marry each other - after all, its the UNITED states not the divorced and seperated states.

Just my subjective opinion but the only requirements for marriage should be both parties should be human, as animals can't give consent, both parties should be adult and both parties should consent

 

[ZNP]

And this is why you are widely recognized as a person who posts ignorantly.
Only a lost and ignorant person would live for this life which will pass and not for their eternity as the Lord and Savior commands.

Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

 

[kaylagrl]

False equivalency.
You're trying to equate a consensual relationship between two adults to taking someone's life. They're not even remotely theeaso same thing
Because one situation has a victim and the other doesn't

In Cali they are letting "minor attracted" persons, the rest of us say pedophiles, out well before their time. Heard it on the news the other day, people would be astonished. One man lives within walking distance of a daycare. When marriage is not treated as sacred and you say "love is love" people will test that. We have men getting pregnant, we have men playing womens sports, we have a male teacher in Canada wearing false breasts that can be seen from outer space, we have men using womens bathrooms, we have men going to womens prisons and getting them pregnant. And there is always a next step and I said to my husband a couple years ago, pedophilia is the next thing to be accepted. He didn't want to believe me either, but it is going to happen. When they begin the name change they are making it more palatable for the church people. A great revivalist in essence "the lower the church goes, the world goes lower still". The church made excuses for their own sin. They stopped respecting marriage and began living together, committing adultery, getting divorced at the drop of a hat. The church lowered it's standards. And when we do that, there is no compass,if the church is fine with it, it's ok. The issue with same sex marriage, homosexuality, trans, adultery, living together before marriage, multiple divorces is that it takes away from marriage as being sacred. And we will have to answer before God for what we allowed to slide in the church.

If you believe there is a God, then you believe you will answer one day, not just for your sins, but for those you won to the Lord. If you have a friend who is gay, if you know a couple that is same sex married, if you know a young couple living together and not married, it is up to you to tell them the truth of the Word. You can say I'm a bigot, that I am a hater, that I am homophobic, but I don't answer to you. At the end of my life I answer to an Almighty God. Did I lie to that person or did I lead them toward the truth and what the Word says? I'm going to do what a Christian should do, be a shining light in a dark world that is in bondage to sex. And we need to be careful lest we fall into the same sin. America is rife with sexual influences, none of them being right or healthy for a person. If you are a Christian, the Bible is the final Word, and same sex marriage is a sin. The country may recognize it, the world may recognize it, and it will come down to the church being forced to recognize it, but I will not. I will do as I did for 20 yrs and proclaim the truth of the Word and that Jesus saves from a life of bondage to sin. It's just as simple as that. For the Christian, that is the end of the story.

 

[Dude653]

In Cali they are letting "minor attracted" persons, the rest of us say pedophiles, out well before their time. Heard it on the news the other day, people would be astonished. One man lives within walking distance of a daycare. When marriage is not treated as sacred and you say "love is love" people will test that. We have men getting pregnant, we have men playing womens sports, we have a male teacher in Canada wearing false breasts that can be seen from outer space, we have men using womens bathrooms, we have men going to womens prisons and getting them pregnant. And there is always a next step and I said to my husband a couple years ago, pedophilia is the next thing to be accepted. He didn't want to believe me either, but it is going to happen. When they begin the name change they are making it more palatable for the church people. A great revivalist in essence "the lower the church goes, the world goes lower still". The church made excuses for their own sin. They stopped respecting marriage and began living together, committing adultery, getting divorced at the drop of a hat. The church lowered it's standards. And when we do that, there is no compass,if the church is fine with it, it's ok. The issue with same sex marriage, homosexuality, trans, adultery, living together before marriage, multiple divorces is that it takes away from marriage as being sacred. And we will have to answer before God for what we allowed to slide in the church.

If you believe there is a God, then you believe you will answer one day, not just for your sins, but for those you won to the Lord. If you have a friend who is gay, if you know a couple that is same sex married, if you know a young couple living together and not married, it is up to you to tell them the truth of the Word. You can say I'm a bigot, that I am a hater, that I am homophobic, but I don't answer to you. At the end of my life I answer to an Almighty God. Did I lie to that person or did I lead them toward the truth and what the Word says? I'm going to do what a Christian should do, be a shining light in a dark world that is in bondage to sex. And we need to be careful lest we fall into the same sin. America is rife with sexual influences, none of them being right or healthy for a person. If you are a Christian, the Bible is the final Word, and same sex marriage is a sin. The country may recognize it, the world may recognize it, and it will come down to the church being forced to recognize it, but I will not. I will do as I did for 20 yrs and proclaim the truth of the Word and that Jesus saves from a life of bondage to sin. It's just as simple as that. For the Christian, that is the end of the story.

That's why we have laws to put child molesters in jail.
I've had multiple gay friends over the years and not a single one of them would condone pedophilia. So it's just silly too correlate being gay with pedophilia

 

[Billyd]

You don't have a right to force your "Godly values" on other people.
Imagine trying to tell someone that he doesn't have the right to not follow your religion. Pretentious much?

Nor do you have the right to force ungodly values on me. Who decides your values? You yours and me mine.

 

[Dude653]

Nor do you have the right to force ungodly values on me. Who decides your values? You yours and me mine.

Good thing I'm not doing that
You live by your principles and I will live by mine. See how easy that is?

 

[kaylagrl]

That's why we have laws to put child molesters in jail.
I've had multiple gay friends over the years and not a single one of them would condone pedophilia. So it's just silly too correlate being gay with pedophilia

Both are sin in God's eyes. I'm not saying gays are pedophilias , I'm saying it's sin before God. That's the Words stand on it, that should be the churches stand on it, and it's my stand on it. What the world sees as right, that has no bearing on the the Word says is right. There's a way that seems right to man, but it leads to destruction. If we care we will tell people the truth.

 

[Dude653]

Both are sin in God's eyes. I'm not saying gays are pedophilias , I'm saying it's sin before God. That's the Words stand on it, that should be the churches stand on it, and it's my stand on it. What the world sees as right, that has no bearing on the the Word says is right. There's a way that seems right to man, but it leads to destruction. If we care we will tell people the truth.

Well yeah but we have systems in place to put child molesters in jail.
That's why I probably every state in America has statutory rape laws, but I think the legal age of consent varies depending on which state you're in

 

[Dude653]

Also I don't believe we have any control over to whom we are attracted because attraction is a result of brain chemistry, which is all involuntary
If you tell me to perform action X or you're going to punch me in the face, no matter how much I try, I can't make myself want to be punched in the face. Same reason you can't control what you find attractive and what you don't
I know we've had this discussion before but attractiveness is subjective so find a person that you think is completely repulsive and make yourself be attracted to that person. You can't do it

 

[Roughsoul1991]

False equivalency.
You're trying to equate a consensual relationship between two adults to taking someone's life. They're not even remotely the same thing
Because one situation has a victim and the other doesn't

Murder and sexual immorality are both in the spectrum of moral issues are they not? So in legislating morality they are both moral issues.

As I already stated, lgbt marriage is not a victimless crime when the fatherless or motherless statistics affect me, when higher health risks affect my taxes and insurance, when this ideology has proven to have no boundaries.

I always wonder why some support this but they do not support adult to child marriages, human to animal, human to object, etc. (BTW these 3 things are actually legally occurring in the US already).

Why do you say these are wrong and not homosexual marriages?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Sexual orientation is not a behavior or an action. your own orientation requires no action for you to be heterosexual. You didn't have to have any sort of sex or engage in any emotional bonding or romantic behaviors to be heterosexual.

All, and i do mean all of it All of the evidence says that orientation is an inborn and immutable trait, just like race or right/left handedness or eye color or blood type.

You are well versed in this flimsy excuse you continue to recite. Hope it makes you feel better for being what you are. But ultimately you are calling God a liar.

Do you really believe God made homosexuality or Sin does?