Christians response to gay marriage?

[Dude653]

You have spent energy here caring about what this adult consents to post. I never said people were forcing their beliefs on me i said on Christians .

Just having a conversation. That's what we do on this little forum discussion thingy

 

[Dude653]

You used the term "consenting adults".

And truthfully, they have no concept of what they are consenting to because emotionally they are damaged to the point that they have a skewed view of right and wrong. They are mentally unstable. That includes the gambit of narcissistic tendencies to gender dysphoria and all points in between.

Where these people are less than 5% of the population...they also have no qualms about moral turpitude...
Which was once a reason that they were unable to engage in large contracts...including life insurance. (Once upon a time corporate America actually had a conscience instead of all greed all the time)

Which brings us to the point of normalizing mental health. At what point do we stop incarceration or hospitalizing those with moral turpitude? We certainly do not want to encourage such behaviors....but that is exactly what you are arguing in favor of. Yes, they have some functionality in society but because of the moral turpitude they are always seeking to enlist more people into perversion and a breakdown of our society.

Look, Mexico is a "Christian " nation of Catholics. But the place is a cesspool. Full of drugs, gangs, sex slaves, and every perversion possible. Sure there are pockets of decency but a two block radius surrounded by armed guards really isn't the sort of place I want to live.

'"moral turpitude' is a little vague it takes a court order from a judge to have someone institutionalized for mental health and typically it's only if the person is deemed to be dangerous
If someone believes his toaster is talking to him, he's not likely to be institutionalized because that's not dangerous behavior
People who harm others go to jail.

 

[Beckie]

I've made my opinion on this issue pretty clear. That's the exact opposite of lukewarm. Also you're still dodging my question.
Who is forcing anything on you?

I never said anyone was forcing something on me i said Christians .

 

[Dude653]

I never said anyone was forcing something on me i said Christians .

What specifically is being forced on christians?

 

[JohnDB]

'"moral turpitude' is a little vague it takes a court order from a judge to have someone institutionalized for mental health and typically it's only if the person is deemed to be dangerous
If someone believes his toaster is talking to him, he's not likely to be institutionalized because that's not dangerous behavior
People who harm others go to jail.

Moral turpitude is not vague....it's quite specific.
It's just one of those words not commonly used anymore like avarice. Avarice is no longer considered a sin...it still is one but well....God says it is.

 

[Dude653]

Moral turpitude is not vague....it's quite specific.
It's just one of those words not commonly used anymore like avarice. Avarice is no longer considered a sin...it still is one but well....God says it is.

Okay but we're not a theocracy so we don't put people in jail for sin
This is america, not Saudi Arabia

 

[Beckie]

What specifically is being forced on christians?

What is being taught in public schools that Christian's pay taxes for.

 

[Dude653]

What is being taught in public schools that Christian's pay taxes for.

Yeah but how much of that is really happening and how much is just propaganda? Pretty sure that's not happening here where I live or the whole community would be in an uproar about it

 

[Eli1]

What is being taught in public schools that Christian's pay taxes for.

So, what are you gonna do Beckie?

 

[Beckie]

keep hiding your head some times that is best. How about the cost the baker has to pay the loss of business.
How about the girl who was raped by the 'trans kid' at school , Ya know the kid who was transferred to another school and did it again?
This one was back in the 80s when i worked at the school. School woud transport your child for an abortion but by golly they had to call home to give her an aspirin.

 

[Dude653]

keep hiding your head some times that is best. How about the cost the baker has to pay the loss of business.
How about the girl who was raped by the 'trans kid' at school , Ya know the kid who was transferred to another school and did it again?
This one was back in the 80s when i worked at the school. School woud transport your child for an abortion but by golly they had to call home to give her an aspirin.

Well anyone who sexually assaults someone should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law but if Bob and Steve want to get married, I don't see how that's harming anyone

 

[Beckie]

Yeah but how much of that is really happening and how much is just propaganda? Pretty sure that's not happening here where I live or the whole community would be in an uproar about it

How about the grammar school girl who has told the teacher she wants to be a boy. The amount of pressure put on the mom to go along or face deportation is unreal.

 

[Beckie]

Same old line you choose not to see the over all corruption sin causes.

 

[JohnDB]

Okay but we're not a theocracy so we don't put people in jail for sin
This is america, not Saudi Arabia

I didn't say anything of the sort. This is a red herring.

I said that we should return to incarceration or hospitalization of those engaged in moral turpitude. We do this for drug dealers on a consistent basis. Exactly what is the difference between LGBT and drug dealers?

Currently in the UK you have ⅔ of those receiving gender reassignment surgery involved in a class action lawsuit against the hospital that performed their surgery....saying that they needed mental Healthcare and not gender reassignment surgery....but that they got pushed/coerced into the surgery.

Then there's the impressionable teenagers/young adults who typically have body image issues and needing emotional support being told that they are wrong about being a girl or boy and that they need to change...and that's when those people who have no compunction about committing moral turpitude usually prey upon the youngest members of a society....it's called grooming. Making the whole situation worse than it originally was with these young adults.

Your group of "consenting adults" is not innocent or anywhere near a normal person. They are predators. They destroy the community they reside within. Directly and indirectly they are destructive.

Monkey pox and HIV are prime examples. They are primarily homosexual diseases obtained by homosexuals having "casual sex" with partners that they don't have even so much as a name or contact information about.

Then if you doubt what I am saying....look at the percentage of crimes committed by the homosexual population. For 5% of the population why are they committing such a huge percentage of the crimes in a community?

 

[Dude653]

I didn't say anything of the sort. This is a red herring.

I said that we should return to incarceration or hospitalization of those engaged in moral turpitude. We do this for drug dealers on a consistent basis. Exactly what is the difference between LGBT and drug dealers?

Currently in the UK you have ⅔ of those receiving gender reassignment surgery involved in a class action lawsuit against the hospital that performed their surgery....saying that they needed mental Healthcare and not gender reassignment surgery....but that they got pushed/coerced into the surgery.

Then there's the impressionable teenagers/young adults who typically have body image issues and needing emotional support being told that they are wrong about being a girl or boy and that they need to change...and that's when those people who have no compunction about committing moral turpitude usually prey upon the youngest members of a society....it's called grooming. Making the whole situation worse than it originally was with these young adults.

Your group of "consenting adults" is not innocent or anywhere near a normal person. They are predators. They destroy the community they reside within. Directly and indirectly they are destructive.

Monkey pox and HIV are prime examples. They are primarily homosexual diseases obtained by homosexuals having "casual sex" with partners that they don't have even so much as a name or contact information about.

Then if you doubt what I am saying....look at the percentage of crimes committed by the homosexual population. For 5% of the population why are they committing such a huge percentage of the crimes in a community?

I don't want the straw man you. Are you saying we should put people in jail for being gay?
And, this is America not Saudi arabia. The difference between LGBT people and drug dealers is that one is pedaling harmful substances and the other is a consensual relationship between two adults that harms no one

 

[mustaphadrink]

I Don't know it all, but we should all go to the marriage and child rearing manual for directions.
My reading of Genesis through the entire O.T. is the following observation. I'm oversimplifying this, but for sale if brevity I'll hit bullet points.

*First, my heart goes out to christian parents who have a child who came back from school to announce that they came out of the closet and want acceptance. That's very sad. I'm not here to judge and condemn anyone.
* There are good parents who have children grow up to be disappoints in some part of their character.
* There are generations of believers back then as there are now, who think they've done their job to expose their children to church. This is not enough. It will be a rocky row to how so to speak later if lessons in parenting aren't learned early. Just my observations.
*The children who were "hey mom and dad, this is my same sex bo or gff and wanted you to know" were all public school educated. It probably happens in christian school educated as well, but I know of none. Does not mean it doesn't happen because many christian schools have the same problems as public. I have yet to learn of home schooled children with this issue, but again I used to teach home schoolers, but have a limited number to cite. My conclusion from reading the available research at the time of my homeschool study and observation showed the following summary.
A. In spite of exceptions, christian home school children were on average socially more adjusted than the average private and public school counterparts.
B. Parental involvement had more to do with various success factors than other variables.

I'm friends of a family who had a child who excelled until she moved out on her own to college. A lesbian relationship was established. She was raised in a public school setting every weekday for 12 years.
It's hard for parents to counter those many influences. That was the basic idea when the Prussian model was adopted in the USA.
It was based upon state uniformity to the will of large corporations. The family until was not a factor, but the contrary. Strangers would raise the children in a state,/ corporate approved manner. They took the place of the parents.
*Time and again, God warned His people against this. The few exceptional parents were commended because the parents would raise their children according to His statutes.
The masses tended to go so far as to allow heathens to marry their children.
What is the norm today?
God's people decided to reject God's commands and raise their children as the heathens do and give their sons and daughters to heathens to marry. The parents who have "gay" children most likely failed to insulate them adequately and protect them from the wickedness that captivated their hearts.
It would take too long to provide examples.

I have rejected the way contemporary Christianity has done things for many generations. It might be too late, but if the Lord provides me with a decent believer we plan to raise children according to God's Word. There are no guarantees since nobody is perfect, but it would be a failure somewhere very important if the child became homosexual. That's not a roll if the dice.

Homosexuality is all about identity. If we are secure in our identity, we will be happy with who we are and what we are so there is no need to find an identity outside of the norm. If we are not secure in our identity, we will look for it elsewhere and it can manifest itself in several ways. A person who is a promiscuous heterosexual is just a heterosexual version of a homosexual because homosexuals are very promiscuous as they equate acceptance with sex so the more sex they have the more accepted they are.

Anyone can stop being homosexual but no one can unless that is what they want. Part of the process is to enable them to find their identity in Christ which will replace the one they have. It may not happen overnight but it will happen of that is what the person wants and had the right support.

Telling a person it is sin and they are wrong will achieve nothing. They probably know that so what they need to hear is what they don't know that there is freedom in Christ and that he can give them a new identity that will obviate the need for their homosexual identity.

 

[Angela53510]

I asked for an example of something being forced on you?

You also asked for a Scripture.

"Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matt 28:18-21

Jesus commands us to "make" disciples. That is, he tells us his expectations for believers. We are not just to "share" the gospel but through the authority Jesus has, we are to bring people to Christ & teach them how to obey Christ. Fairly close to "forcing" people to believe in Christ!

I am not that vehement. And I always pray for people to come to know Christ, that I have witnessed to! But one of the people who started a revival in an area where I used to live, literally rode a 45 minute round trip on a free ferry all day, sharing tracts & his testimony. It was an important part of me learning what the gospel was. Locals would often stay in their cars, so they didn't have to hear his spiel again! But he knew what God had done for him, and the least he could do for God was to preach the gospel, as God told him to do in his Word.

I'm very sorry to hear you gave up on Jesus. But just be aware, it is God that calls us to be saved, nothing about our own works! God has not given up on you. When my RA was excruciatingly painful and Word Faith people were telling me I didn't have enough faith to be healed, I got very angry with God, and turned my back in him. But he didn't turn his back on me! He kept calling me home. One day, I turned around and he was right there, he hadn't moved, I had! God told me to read 5 Psalms a day. Which I did for 2 years! I met God's people & found us that the rain falls on the just & the unjust. Everyone suffers sober or later with something. I went back to church, opened my Bible, started praying again. Within 6 months, God had called me to seminary, which is where I really belonged!!

Praying for you to realize God is waiting for you to turn back to him!

 

[JohnDB]

I don't want the straw man you. Are you saying we should put people in jail for being gay?
And, this is America not Saudi arabia. The difference between LGBT people and drug dealers is that one is pedaling harmful substances and the other is a consensual relationship between two adults that harms no one

But that's the crux of the argument.

We, the Christian community have, and continue to, declare that it is a harmful relationship. Homosexuality is the symptom evidence of a larger problem.

It's a device built into nature that stops procreation of those who are damaged beyond repair. They are stopped from procreation because of their warped and sick minds.

And where this current society is enthralled with sexual promiscuity it is not in our society's best interest to continue to do so. It is harmful....and currently the homosexual community is the ones with AIDS, Monkey Pox, and committing a disproportionate percentage of crimes in our communities.

So your claim of "harmless" is absolutely bogus. It looks good on paper. Sounds good as a sound byte....but it's absolutely wrong.

 

[Dude653]

You also asked for a Scripture.

"Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matt 28:18-21

Jesus commands us to "make" disciples. That is, he tells us his expectations for believers. We are not just to "share" the gospel but through the authority Jesus has, we are to bring people to Christ & teach them how to obey Christ. Fairly close to "forcing" people to believe in Christ!

I am not that vehement. And I always pray for people to come to know Christ, that I have witnessed to! But one of the people who started a revival in an area where I used to live, literally rode a 45 minute round trip on a free ferry all day, sharing tracts & his testimony. It was an important part of me learning what the gospel was. Locals would often stay in their cars, so they didn't have to hear his spiel again! But he knew what God had done for him, and the least he could do for God was to preach the gospel, as God told him to do in his Word.

I'm very sorry to hear you gave up on Jesus. But just be aware, it is God that calls us to be saved, nothing about our own works! God has not given up on you. When my RA was excruciatingly painful and Word Faith people were telling me I didn't have enough faith to be healed, I got very angry with God, and turned my back in him. But he didn't turn his back on me! He kept calling me home. One day, I turned around and he was right there, he hadn't moved, I had! God told me to read 5 Psalms a day. Which I did for 2 years! I met God's people & found us that the rain falls on the just & the unjust. Everyone suffers sober or later with something. I went back to church, opened my Bible, started praying again. Within 6 months, God had called me to seminary, which is where I really belonged!!

Praying for you to realize God is waiting for you to turn back to him!

Also says if someone isn't interested in your message, you walk away and wipe the dust from your feet.

 

[Dude653]

But that's the crux of the argument.

We, the Christian community have, and continue to, declare that it is a harmful relationship. Homosexuality is the symptom evidence of a larger problem.

It's a device built into nature that stops procreation of those who are damaged beyond repair. They are stopped from procreation because of their warped and sick minds.

And where this current society is enthralled with sexual promiscuity it is not in our society's best interest to continue to do so. It is harmful....and currently the homosexual community is the ones with AIDS, Monkey Pox, and committing a disproportionate percentage of crimes in our communities.

So your claim of "harmless" is absolutely bogus. It looks good on paper. Sounds good as a sound byte....but it's absolutely wrong.

Well over 90% of every species that has existed has gone extinct.
If humans ever go extinct is not going to be because 4% of the population isn't procreating.
Sorry but the math just doesn't support your argument
And if an LGBT person breaks the law then they can go to jail like anyone else.
Over the years I've had multiple gay friends who don't commit crimes and are productive citizens just like everyone else
They also work and pay taxes. You know who doesn't pay taxes?..... Churches