Christians response to gay marriage?

[Moses_Young]

I don't want the straw man you. Are you saying we should put people in jail for being gay?
And, this is America not Saudi arabia. The difference between LGBT people and drug dealers is that one is pedaling harmful substances and the other is a consensual relationship between two adults that harms no one

If we put people in jail for sodomy, they wouldn't be parading it all over the TV and brazenly grooming kids out in the open.

 

[Dude653]

If we put people in jail for sodomy, they wouldn't be parading it all over the TV and brazenly grooming kids out in the open.

Yeah but what the media isn't showing you is the probably millions of LGBT Americans who aren't involving kids
Not a single gay person I know supports pedophilia.
Also the American prison system is already overcrowded.
So the government can take away the rights of consenting adults who are peaceful citizens, they can take your rights away too.

 

[Moses_Young]

Yeah but what the media isn't showing you is the probably millions of LGBT Americans who aren't involving kids
Not a single gay person I know supports pedophilia.
Also the American prison system is already overcrowded.
So the government can take away the rights of consenting adults who are peaceful citizens, they can take your rights away too.

But the aim of the laws wouldn't be to stop whatever abominations consenting adults do behind closed doors. The laws would be to stop this filth becoming public. So if there really are millions of LGBT that keep it to themselves, no one's going to bust in their doors. They'll only get in trouble if they try to make it spread in public.

 

[JohnDB]

Well over 90% of every species that has existed has gone extinct.
If humans ever go extinct is not going to be because 4% of the population isn't procreating.
Sorry but the math just doesn't support your argument
And if an LGBT person breaks the law then they can go to jail like anyone else.
Over the years I've had multiple gay friends who don't commit crimes and are productive citizens just like everyone else
They also work and pay taxes. You know who doesn't pay taxes?..... Churches

Now you are using anecdotal evidence to back up your claim....I've got statistical analysis and absolute truth. The numbers don't lie. We have a very significant portion of disease and crime coming from a small portion of the population. The expense of dealing with these drains on our resources is substantial.
Their productivity does not outweigh their detriment by a long long shot. It is illogical to continue with the charade that "its not hurting anyone" when the truth is that they are a blight on a community.

And where I do believe and agree that churches here in America could do with some restraint in building cathedrals...they are not exactly a detriment because of their altruism in providing additional services for a community such as daycare, sports programs, AA, and welfare services like food banks and counseling.

I'm not being callous in my assessments...I'm being analytical. And I have scriptures backing up (well they actually led my investigation) the assessments.

It's not the homosexuality in itself that is the problem. Homosexuality is the evidence they are a problem. Which is precisely what Roman's 1&2 clearly explains.

 

[JohnDB]

Not a single gay person I know supports pedophilia.
.

Ummmm
It doesn't require a rocket scientist to know that pedophilia is a reviled practice....of course they are not going to admit to a desire of doing such things. Lying is way down the list of a "nothing" with those who commit moral turpitude.

 

[Dude653]

Now you are using anecdotal evidence to back up your claim....I've got statistical analysis and absolute truth. The numbers don't lie. We have a very significant portion of disease and crime coming from a small portion of the population. The expense of dealing with these drains on our resources is substantial.
Their productivity does not outweigh their detriment by a long long shot. It is illogical to continue with the charade that "its not hurting anyone" when the truth is that they are a blight on a community.

And where I do believe and agree that churches here in America could do with some restraint in building cathedrals...they are not exactly a detriment because of their altruism in providing additional services for a community such as daycare, sports programs, AA, and welfare services like food banks and counseling.

I'm not being callous in my assessments...I'm being analytical. And I have scriptures backing up (well they actually led my investigation) the assessments.

It's not the homosexuality in itself that is the problem. Homosexuality is the evidence they are a problem. Which is precisely what Roman's 1&2 clearly explains.

If they break the law, you put them in jail. If they don't break the law, you don't put them in jail. That seems pretty simple.
And I'm not saying all churches do this but I have personally witnessed how preachers live like rock stars. People will give their last dollar so the preacher can drive Lexus. I even personally heard a preacher get up behind the pulpit and brag about how much his church pays him.
Who's not fleecing people out of their money? LGBT people?

 

[Dude653]

Ummmm
It doesn't require a rocket scientist to know that pedophilia is a reviled practice....of course they are not going to admit to a desire of doing such things. Lying is way down the list of a "nothing" with those who commit moral turpitude.

It's ridiculous to assume that being LGBT automatically equates to being a pedophile and we don't put people in jail for what they might do.
Imagine a judge put me in jail because he thinks I might rob a bank tomorrow

 

[Beckie]

Ummmm
It doesn't require a rocket scientist to know that pedophilia is a reviled practice....of course they are not going to admit to a desire of doing such things. Lying is way down the list of a "nothing" with those who commit moral turpitude.

Your posts is being translated into what you did not say. A couple time of that can be a mistake but over and over it is just a cheap liberal lie .

 

[JohnDB]

If they break the law, you put them in jail. If they don't break the law, you don't put them in jail. That seems pretty simple.
And I'm not saying all churches do this but I have personally witnessed how preachers live like rock stars. People will give their last dollar so the preacher can drive Lexus. I even personally heard a preacher get up behind the pulpit and brag about how much his church pays him.
Who's not fleecing people out of their money? LGBT people?

No....not quite correct. LGBT want something infinitely more valuable....your immortal soul. Because if you have their soul of course they got your wallet as well....or at least destroy your earning abilities.

And where finger pointing is a way to distract us from the truth....it does not defend the actions and statistics of this particular group as a whole.

The truth is that the evidence truly suggests that those who practice some form of homosexuality are a blight on a community.

Looking at the UK and the class action lawsuit by TWO THIRDS of those receiving gender reassignment surgery...it becomes obvious that these people need mental health care and not more reinforcement of their psychosis.

And I'm saying that the statistics show that those who demonstrate that they are in need of mental Healthcare by becoming LGBT are getting the exact same thing as those in the UK. The wrong endorsement. They need mental Healthcare...not legitimizing. They also may need incarceration to ensure they get well.

 

[JohnDB]

It's ridiculous to assume that being LGBT automatically equates to being a pedophile and we don't put people in jail for what they might do.
Imagine a judge put me in jail because he thinks I might rob a bank tomorrow

If it was just pedophilia...that would be more easily cured. But it isn't as the range of crimes and spread of STDs clearly demonstrate.

Like I keep saying. LGBT is the symptom of a larger problem with an individual.

 

[Dude653]

No....not quite correct. LGBT want something infinitely more valuable....your immortal soul. Because if you have their soul of course they got your wallet as well....or at least destroy your earning abilities.

And where finger pointing is a way to distract us from the truth....it does not defend the actions and statistics of this particular group as a whole.

The truth is that the evidence truly suggests that those who practice some form of homosexuality are a blight on a community.

Looking at the UK and the class action lawsuit by TWO THIRDS of those receiving gender reassignment surgery...it becomes obvious that these people need mental health care and not more reinforcement of their psychosis.

And I'm saying that the statistics show that those who demonstrate that they are in need of mental Healthcare by becoming LGBT are getting the exact same thing as those in the UK. The wrong endorsement. They need mental Healthcare...not legitimizing. They also may need incarceration to ensure they get well.

Well if they actually commit a crime then you incarcerate them.
I'm pretty sure it would be unconstitutional to put some money in jail if they haven't committed an actual crime
Also our prison systems are already overcrowded to begin with. Also, most LGBT people are probably productive citizens who go to work and pay taxes just like everyone else

 

[Dude653]

Also this sounds like a slippery slope.
If our government could put people in jail for being gay, what stops them from doing the same thing to you if they decide Christianity is harmful to society

 

[Dude653]

Or..... Text the majority of violent crime in America is committed by one particular ethnicity, what would happen if we had a racist government who said well let's just put them all in jail before they crime.. you're basically making the same argument

 

[JohnDB]

Well if they actually commit a crime then you incarcerate them.
I'm pretty sure it would be unconstitutional to put some money in jail if they haven't committed an actual crime
Also our prison systems are already overcrowded to begin with. Also, most LGBT people are probably productive citizens who go to work and pay taxes just like everyone else

You need to demonstrate in some capacity how Homosexuals are a innocuous part of society. You have failed to demonstrate anything...just empty claims at this point relying upon rights framed in our constitution by pastors and Seminary school graduates for the members of their respective Christian communities. Homosexuals by very definition are not Christian. These two things are mutually exclusive to each other. You cannot be a Christian Atheist...nor can you be a homosexual Christian.

I've clearly demonstrated how LGBT are mentally ill and a blight.

And where we don't tax church organizations (because of their altruistic endeavors) the individual members of a church group do pay taxes....I've never gotten any exemption for being a Christian church member in my lifetime of working....oh oh oh if I could only have that money back I could retire a wealthy man. 25% of my lifetime income?


And in answer to your latest post....
Ethnicity is not a crime. Nor is it leading to an inherent Predestination for committing a crime. There is no genetic evidence whatsoever. There is a cultural predilection and encouragement to commit crimes. But it is not automatically the norm.

However....
That Homosexuality, across the board in all races and Ethnicity, has been a clear indicator of a larger issue with the individuals who practice it.

You have yet to make a case for anything different. Please do so at the earliest convenience.

 

[Dude653]

You need to demonstrate in some capacity how Homosexuals are a innocuous part of society. You have failed to demonstrate anything...just empty claims at this point relying upon rights framed in our constitution by pastors and Seminary school graduates for the members of their respective Christian communities. Homosexuals by very definition are not Christian. These two things are mutually exclusive to each other. You cannot be a Christian Atheist...nor can you be a homosexual Christian.

I've clearly demonstrated how LGBT are mentally ill and a blight.

And where we don't tax church organizations (because of their altruistic endeavors) the individual members of a church group do pay taxes....I've never gotten any exemption for being a Christian church member in my lifetime of working....oh oh oh if I could only have that money back I could retire a wealthy man. 25% of my lifetime income?


And in answer to your latest post....
Ethnicity is not a crime. Nor is it leading to an inherent Predestination for committing a crime. There is no genetic evidence whatsoever. There is a cultural predilection and encouragement to commit crimes. But it is not automatically the norm.

However....
That Homosexuality, across the board in all races and Ethnicity, has been a clear indicator of a larger issue with the individuals who practice it.

You have yet to make a case for anything different. Please do so at the earliest convenience.

You are clearly clouded by hatred and I don't wish to pursue this conversation with you any further so you're going on ignore

 

[Dude653]

But that's the crux of the argument.

We, the Christian community have, and continue to, declare that it is a harmful relationship. Homosexuality is the symptom evidence of a larger problem.

It's a device built into nature that stops procreation of those who are damaged beyond repair. They are stopped from procreation because of their warped and sick minds.

And where this current society is enthralled with sexual promiscuity it is not in our society's best interest to continue to do so. It is harmful....and currently the homosexual community is the ones with AIDS, Monkey Pox, and committing a disproportionate percentage of crimes in our communities.

So your claim of "harmless" is absolutely bogus. It looks good on paper. Sounds good as a sound byte....but it's absolutely wrong.

Oh and one more thing before I put you on ignore.
You sound certifiably insane and should probably see professional help.
Because you're saying that someone's mirror existence is a crime
You honestly sound like you're about to grab it assault rifle then go shoot up a gay nightclub or something.
People like you is why I encourage the LGBT community to exercise their second amendment rights

 

[JohnDB]

You are clearly clouded by hatred and I don't wish to pursue this conversation with you any further so you're going on ignore

I'm not exactly sure how you come to the conclusion that I hate anyone....

Far from it.

I've said all along that they need mental health care.

 

[JohnDB]

When people say they hear voices in their head...we get them some mental Healthcare. We don't lock them up unless they refuse to follow doctor's orders. We most definitely don't congratulate them and tell them they should be sure to to do everything the voices say.

The problem isn't the voices...it's something else. They are sick and need guidance to mental health professionals.
No different than homosexuality. Homosexuality is the symptom of the problem.

 

[SanderB]

Also this sounds like a slippery slope.
If our government could put people in jail for being gay, what stops them from doing the same thing to you if they decide Christianity is harmful to society

Amen brother.

 

[Dude653]

Amen brother.

Yeah I'm done with him. It sounds like he's the one who needs professional help saying people deserve to go to jail just for their sexual preferences