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All ceremonial laws are shadows of the unseen eternal according to the 20/20 prescription. (2 Corinthians 4:18) Without parables the unseen eternal giving us the hidden interpretation in regard to what the eyes see the temporal Christ spoke not.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
The Sabbath is a shadow of the unseen rest the seventh day just as in the same way using the Exodus of Egypt .God giving his people rest. today the new era of ceremonial sabbath is the first day of the week .The day God said "let there be light" after the new era of Sabbaths .
Something overlooked by many. God does not offer two parables with the same hidden spiritual meaning when providing moral laws . The ten commandments is a mixture.
Colossians 2:16 So don’t let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days).
Two different renderings of the gospel when it comes to the shadow
Don’t forget that you were slaves in the land of Egypt. The Lord your God brought you out of Egypt with his great power and made you free. That is why the Lord your God commands you to always make the Sabbath a special day. Deuteronomy 5
That is because the Lord worked six days and made the sky, the earth, the sea, and everything in them. And on the seventh day, he rested. In this way the Lord blessed the Sabbath—the day of rest. He made that a very special day. Exodus 20:11
His rest is our salvation we rest in him, by him, of Him.
Nope, you quoted my post. You did not address the content in ths post or the questions asked of you.
This does not answer the question asked of you brother. The question asked of you was...
Q1. How can the Sabbath be a shadow of anything if it is a part of the finished work of creation that God blessed, set apart and made Holy as part of a perfect work of creation before sin entered the world? The Sabbath was given in creation when God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day for all mankink and God commanded his people to keep it as a holy day as one of God's 4th commandments (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Of course this was done when there were no Jews and no Israel and no sin.. If you do not wish to answer the question just day so. You do not have to if you do not want to.
Before the written word of God there was the spoken word of God. JESUS says the Sabbath was man for man (Mark 2:27). The Greek word used here for man G444 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance ; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man. As posted earlier on the seventh day o creation it is written...
Genesis 2:1-3
[1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Where we have the testimony of Jesus as the creator (John 1:1-4; 14) that says...
Mark 2:27
[27], And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man (man G444 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos), and not man for the sabbath
Now if the Sabbath was man for man before sin as a part of creation and Jesus and says this was the case in his own words. How can the Sabbath not be made at creation according to you when Gods' words says it was?
As shown above already in the previous post to you more than once now. It is Gods Word that says that the Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week. (Genesis 2:1-3) not sure why you are finding this so hard to understand when Jesus who is the creation says in his own words that he made the sabbath for mankind (human beings) and on the seventh day of creation God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day. Why do you think God blessed the seventh day and set it a part as a holy day?
Gods 4th commandment reads...
Exodus 20:8-11
8, REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. 9, Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10, But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] 11, FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Refering to GENESIS 2:1-3]
Yep pretty clear what God's 4th commandment is referring to here. It is the seventh day of the creation week in Genesis 2:1-3 where God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day.
Why does there need to be examples of people being told to keep the Sabbath before Moses when God tells us he blessed the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3) for all mankind (Mark 2:28) and commands his people to keep his Sabbath as a holy day in his 4th commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11)? Your trying to make an argument in silence when God's word has already told us in the words of Jesus that the Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week (Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27; Exodus 20:8-11).
Before the written word of God there was the spoken word of God. Who says that the patriachs never kept God's Sabbath? God never left out any of his laws once again your trying to make an argument in silence. You do not that what you have posted above only supports what is being shared with you here right? What do you think the offerings are for? Sin right? So if there if the patriachs knew about sin offerings don't you think they would know what sin is? According to the scriptures sin is the breaking of anyone of Gods 10 commandments (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). Than we read God's testimony of Abraham... Genesis 26:5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. The Hebrew word used here for laws is TORAH H8451; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
This has already been addressed showing that the Greek word used in Mark 2:27 for man is G444 ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos which means Human beings, your just repeating yourself here brother and your scriptures here are not relevant as the Sabbath was made by God on the seventh day of the creation week where God blessed and set aside the seventh day of the creation week for all mankind as a holy day before sin, before Isreal and before there was even a Jew. Can't really get more clear than that brother.
Depends what you mean by the old covenant. The old covenant was made up of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is and the levitical priesthood and Mosaic laws for sin offereings for remission of sin that pointed to Jesus in the new covenant. God's law that give us a knowledge of what sin is are God's eternal law also in the new covenant that give us a knowledge of what sin is and lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven by faith (Romans 3:20; Galatians 3;22-25)
This I see is not going to go anywhere if you do not wish to discuss my posts and you continue to ignore my questions asked of you. Hope we can continue a friendly discussion. If not we may have to agree to disagree and move on.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts but for me I do not think they are biblical.
This does not answer the question asked of you brother. The question asked of you was...
Q1. How can the Sabbath be a shadow of anything if it is a part of the finished work of creation that God blessed, set apart and made Holy as part of a perfect work of creation before sin entered the world? The Sabbath was given in creation when God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day for all mankink and God commanded his people to keep it as a holy day as one of God's 4th commandments (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Of course this was done when there were no Jews and no Israel and no sin.. If you do not wish to answer the question just day so. You do not have to if you do not want to.
Before the written word of God there was the spoken word of God. JESUS says the Sabbath was man for man (Mark 2:27). The Greek word used here for man G444 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance ; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man. As posted earlier on the seventh day o creation it is written...
Genesis 2:1-3
[1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Where we have the testimony of Jesus as the creator (John 1:1-4; 14) that says...
Mark 2:27
[27], And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man (man G444 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos), and not man for the sabbath
Now if the Sabbath was man for man before sin as a part of creation and Jesus and says this was the case in his own words. How can the Sabbath not be made at creation according to you when Gods' words says it was?
As shown above already in the previous post to you more than once now. It is Gods Word that says that the Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week. (Genesis 2:1-3) not sure why you are finding this so hard to understand when Jesus who is the creation says in his own words that he made the sabbath for mankind (human beings) and on the seventh day of creation God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day. Why do you think God blessed the seventh day and set it a part as a holy day?
Gods 4th commandment reads...
Exodus 20:8-11
8, REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. 9, Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10, But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] 11, FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Refering to GENESIS 2:1-3]
Yep pretty clear what God's 4th commandment is referring to here. It is the seventh day of the creation week in Genesis 2:1-3 where God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day.
Why does there need to be examples of people being told to keep the Sabbath before Moses when God tells us he blessed the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3) for all mankind (Mark 2:28) and commands his people to keep his Sabbath as a holy day in his 4th commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11)? Your trying to make an argument in silence when God's word has already told us in the words of Jesus that the Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week (Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27; Exodus 20:8-11).
Before the written word of God there was the spoken word of God. Who says that the patriachs never kept God's Sabbath? God never left out any of his laws once again your trying to make an argument in silence. You do not that what you have posted above only supports what is being shared with you here right? What do you think the offerings are for? Sin right? So if there if the patriachs knew about sin offerings don't you think they would know what sin is? According to the scriptures sin is the breaking of anyone of Gods 10 commandments (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). Than we read God's testimony of Abraham... Genesis 26:5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. The Hebrew word used here for laws is TORAH H8451; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
This has already been addressed showing that the Greek word used in Mark 2:27 for man is G444 ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos which means Human beings, your just repeating yourself here brother and your scriptures here are not relevant as the Sabbath was made by God on the seventh day of the creation week where God blessed and set aside the seventh day of the creation week for all mankind as a holy day before sin, before Isreal and before there was even a Jew. Can't really get more clear than that brother.
Depends what you mean by the old covenant. The old covenant was made up of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is and the levitical priesthood and Mosaic laws for sin offereings for remission of sin that pointed to Jesus in the new covenant. God's law that give us a knowledge of what sin is are God's eternal law also in the new covenant that give us a knowledge of what sin is and lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven by faith (Romans 3:20; Galatians 3;22-25)
This I see is not going to go anywhere if you do not wish to discuss my posts and you continue to ignore my questions asked of you. Hope we can continue a friendly discussion. If not we may have to agree to disagree and move on.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts but for me I do not think they are biblical.
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Ok. Well one that comes to mind is the stoning of Steven just prior to Paul's visitation in acts.
Before that, the people picked up stones to throw at the adulterous woman that The Messiah forgave.
They also picked up stones to throw at The Messiah several times but he got away. I'll look for those passages..
Before that, the people picked up stones to throw at the adulterous woman that The Messiah forgave.
They also picked up stones to throw at The Messiah several times but he got away. I'll look for those passages..
Actually Dan nope, no you didn't and in this post your only repeating yourself brother. These questions have already been answered.
Sure no problem. This has already been posted maybe you did not see it. Before the written word of God there was the spoken word of God. Who says that the patriachs never kept God's Sabbath? God never left out any of his laws once again your trying to make an argument in silence. You do not that what you have posted above only supports what is being shared with you here right? What do you think the offerings are for? Sin right? So if there if the patriachs knew about sin offerings don't you think they would know what sin is? According to the scriptures sin is the breaking of anyone of Gods 10 commandments (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). Than we read God's testimony of Abraham... Genesis 26:5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. The Hebrew word used here for laws is TORAH H8451; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
As shown above already in the previous post to you more than once now. It is Gods Word that says that the Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week. (Genesis 2:1-3) not sure why you are finding this so hard to understand when Jesus who is the creation says in his own words that he made the sabbath for mankind (human beings) and on the seventh day of creation God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day. Why do you think God blessed the seventh day and set it a part as a holy day?
Gods 4th commandment reads...
Exodus 20:8-11
8, REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. 9, Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10, But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] 11, FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Refering to GENESIS 2:1-3]
Yep pretty clear what God's 4th commandment is referring to here. It is the seventh day of the creation week in Genesis 2:1-3 where God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day.
Why does there need to be examples of people being told to keep the Sabbath before Moses when God tells us he blessed the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3) for all mankind (Mark 2:28) and commands his people to keep his Sabbath as a holy day in his 4th commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11)? Your trying to make an argument in silence when God's word has already told us in the words of Jesus that the Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week (Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27; Exodus 20:8-11).
Genesis 26:5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. The Hebrew word used here for laws is TORAH H8451; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law. Before the written where there was the spoken word. God's people have always had and followed God's laws including sin offereings. Sin is the transgression of God's 10 commandments and without the law there is no knowledge of what sin is (1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20). Why would patriachs have sin offering before Sinai if they did not know what sin was? Why would the scriptures say that Abraham kept the Torah if he did not know what the Torah was? Your argument here brother makes no sense and it not biblical as shown in the scriptures examples provided above.
Already answered above. Before the written word was the spoken word.
Already answered;
JESUS says the Sabbath was man for man (Mark 2:27). The Greek word used here for man G444 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance ; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man. As posted earlier on the seventh day o creation it is written...
Genesis 2:1-3
[1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Where we have the testimony of Jesus as the creator (John 1:1-4; 14) that says...
Mark 2:27
[27], And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man (man G444 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos), and not man for the sabbath
Now if the Sabbath was man for man before sin as a part of creation and Jesus and says this was the case in his own words. How can the Sabbath not be made at creation according to you when Gods' words says it was?
I disagree. Maybe this is something you are doing as I see you do not want to have a discussion and will not address my questions asked of you. Thanks for the discussion although I believe you are closed and do not wish to dicuss the scriptures perhaps we need to agree to disagree. Thanks for the discussion though and sharing your thoughts.
I hope you can view this as a friendly discussion and wish you only all love joy and peace in the Lord Jesus.
Sure no problem. This has already been posted maybe you did not see it. Before the written word of God there was the spoken word of God. Who says that the patriachs never kept God's Sabbath? God never left out any of his laws once again your trying to make an argument in silence. You do not that what you have posted above only supports what is being shared with you here right? What do you think the offerings are for? Sin right? So if there if the patriachs knew about sin offerings don't you think they would know what sin is? According to the scriptures sin is the breaking of anyone of Gods 10 commandments (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). Than we read God's testimony of Abraham... Genesis 26:5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. The Hebrew word used here for laws is TORAH H8451; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
As shown above already in the previous post to you more than once now. It is Gods Word that says that the Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week. (Genesis 2:1-3) not sure why you are finding this so hard to understand when Jesus who is the creation says in his own words that he made the sabbath for mankind (human beings) and on the seventh day of creation God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day. Why do you think God blessed the seventh day and set it a part as a holy day?
Gods 4th commandment reads...
Exodus 20:8-11
8, REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. 9, Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10, But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] 11, FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Refering to GENESIS 2:1-3]
Yep pretty clear what God's 4th commandment is referring to here. It is the seventh day of the creation week in Genesis 2:1-3 where God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day.
Why does there need to be examples of people being told to keep the Sabbath before Moses when God tells us he blessed the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3) for all mankind (Mark 2:28) and commands his people to keep his Sabbath as a holy day in his 4th commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11)? Your trying to make an argument in silence when God's word has already told us in the words of Jesus that the Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week (Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27; Exodus 20:8-11).
Genesis 26:5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. The Hebrew word used here for laws is TORAH H8451; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law. Before the written where there was the spoken word. God's people have always had and followed God's laws including sin offereings. Sin is the transgression of God's 10 commandments and without the law there is no knowledge of what sin is (1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20). Why would patriachs have sin offering before Sinai if they did not know what sin was? Why would the scriptures say that Abraham kept the Torah if he did not know what the Torah was? Your argument here brother makes no sense and it not biblical as shown in the scriptures examples provided above.
Already answered above. Before the written word was the spoken word.
Already answered;
JESUS says the Sabbath was man for man (Mark 2:27). The Greek word used here for man G444 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance ; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man. As posted earlier on the seventh day o creation it is written...
Genesis 2:1-3
[1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Where we have the testimony of Jesus as the creator (John 1:1-4; 14) that says...
Mark 2:27
[27], And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man (man G444 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos), and not man for the sabbath
Now if the Sabbath was man for man before sin as a part of creation and Jesus and says this was the case in his own words. How can the Sabbath not be made at creation according to you when Gods' words says it was?
It sounds to me like you are more interested in winning an argument than you are in seriously considering the truth. You do not have to my questions if you do not want to as I understand these questions must be difficult for your position.
I hope you can view this as a friendly discussion and wish you only all love joy and peace in the Lord Jesus.
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Wow what's wrong? You seem...offended (*wink*)...that i could've misunderstood the question.
I'm sure Sipsey is fully capable of clarifying what they meant themselves as they asked the question, not you.
You seem more focused on showing me I'm wrong then edifying Sipsey by answering their question yourself the way you understand it.
Love right?
I'm sure Sipsey is fully capable of clarifying what they meant themselves as they asked the question, not you.
You seem more focused on showing me I'm wrong then edifying Sipsey by answering their question yourself the way you understand it.
Love right?
Why do you think I am offended and the context of this thread and his statement is obvious MIGO.........I do not get easily offended bro.....just pointing out the obvious
You know. Edify.
(And they call me the pharisee lol)
No problems fellas. This topic just brought to mind an issue that has been hurled at Christians in the past, that “stoning” was prominent in Scripture. As I said, I think that when God directed Joshua to carry out the death of Achan, it’s the only example that comes to mind that it was done, legitimately, for God. I agree that the stoning of Stephen was technically illegal even though Saul had paperwork for authority.
So even though it is a directed punishment for several offenses, it seems to have been avoided or underreported. Just wondering if it was something God used as a “standard” for punishment, but really preferred/expected mercy. Don’t want to derail this topic. I will restate it in its own window if you prefer.
So even though it is a directed punishment for several offenses, it seems to have been avoided or underreported. Just wondering if it was something God used as a “standard” for punishment, but really preferred/expected mercy. Don’t want to derail this topic. I will restate it in its own window if you prefer.
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Greetings Hevo...
The sabbath makes sense to me. More importantly, I believe it does to God. He took that day to honor His own work, to rest in peace, knowing it was now time to rest. Jesus/Yeshua came down and helped us understand that it isn't so much as a specific, designated day, that we are not to serve and do for others. His work within is constant. I think it is a part of His design, to rest in Him and in HIS work, that He never stops doing. He is a God/Yahweh of order, of renewing, of regeneration, of balance; taking time to honor Him above all other, gratefully lifting our souls to Him, resting our bodies and minds, doing so, makes sense to me. It is not a "have to"thing, with Him in our hearts, it is a "Get to" thing. We are so privileged to rest in Him.
Praise His Holy Name.
The sabbath makes sense to me. More importantly, I believe it does to God. He took that day to honor His own work, to rest in peace, knowing it was now time to rest. Jesus/Yeshua came down and helped us understand that it isn't so much as a specific, designated day, that we are not to serve and do for others. His work within is constant. I think it is a part of His design, to rest in Him and in HIS work, that He never stops doing. He is a God/Yahweh of order, of renewing, of regeneration, of balance; taking time to honor Him above all other, gratefully lifting our souls to Him, resting our bodies and minds, doing so, makes sense to me. It is not a "have to"thing, with Him in our hearts, it is a "Get to" thing. We are so privileged to rest in Him.
Praise His Holy Name.
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Actually Dan nope, no you didn't and in this post your only repeating yourself brother. These questions have already been answered.
Sure no problem. This has already been posted maybe you did not see it. Before the written word of God there was the spoken word of God. Who says that the patriachs never kept God's Sabbath? God never left out any of his laws once again your trying to make an argument in silence. You do not that what you have posted above only supports what is being shared with you here right? What do you think the offerings are for? Sin right? So if there if the patriachs knew about sin offerings don't you think they would know what sin is? According to the scriptures sin is the breaking of anyone of Gods 10 commandments (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). Than we read God's testimony of Abraham... Genesis 26:5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. The Hebrew word used here for laws is TORAH H8451; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
As shown above already in the previous post to you more than once now. It is Gods Word that says that the Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week. (Genesis 2:1-3) not sure why you are finding this so hard to understand when Jesus who is the creation says in his own words that he made the sabbath for mankind (human beings) and on the seventh day of creation God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day. Why do you think God blessed the seventh day and set it a part as a holy day?
Gods 4th commandment reads...
Exodus 20:8-11
8, REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. 9, Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10, But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] 11, FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Refering to GENESIS 2:1-3]
Yep pretty clear what God's 4th commandment is referring to here. It is the seventh day of the creation week in Genesis 2:1-3 where God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day.
Why does there need to be examples of people being told to keep the Sabbath before Moses when God tells us he blessed the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3) for all mankind (Mark 2:28) and commands his people to keep his Sabbath as a holy day in his 4th commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11)? Your trying to make an argument in silence when God's word has already told us in the words of Jesus that the Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week (Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27; Exodus 20:8-11).
Genesis 26:5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. The Hebrew word used here for laws is TORAH H8451; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law. Before the written where there was the spoken word. God's people have always had and followed God's laws including sin offereings. Sin is the transgression of God's 10 commandments and without the law there is no knowledge of what sin is (1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20). Why would patriachs have sin offering before Sinai if they did not know what sin was? Why would the scriptures say that Abraham kept the Torah if he did not know what the Torah was? Your argument here brother makes no sense and it not biblical as shown in the scriptures examples provided above.
Already answered above. Before the written word was the spoken word.
Already answered;
JESUS says the Sabbath was man for man (Mark 2:27). The Greek word used here for man G444 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance ; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man. As posted earlier on the seventh day o creation it is written...
Genesis 2:1-3
[1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Where we have the testimony of Jesus as the creator (John 1:1-4; 14) that says...
Mark 2:27
[27], And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man (man G444 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos), and not man for the sabbath
Now if the Sabbath was man for man before sin as a part of creation and Jesus and says this was the case in his own words. How can the Sabbath not be made at creation according to you when Gods' words says it was?
I disagree. Maybe this is something you are doing as I see you do not want to have a discussion and will not address my questions asked of you. Thanks for the discussion although I believe you are closed and do not wish to dicuss the scriptures perhaps we need to agree to disagree. Thanks for the discussion though and sharing your thoughts.
I hope you can view this as a friendly discussion and wish you only all love joy and peace in the Lord Jesus.
Sure no problem. This has already been posted maybe you did not see it. Before the written word of God there was the spoken word of God. Who says that the patriachs never kept God's Sabbath? God never left out any of his laws once again your trying to make an argument in silence. You do not that what you have posted above only supports what is being shared with you here right? What do you think the offerings are for? Sin right? So if there if the patriachs knew about sin offerings don't you think they would know what sin is? According to the scriptures sin is the breaking of anyone of Gods 10 commandments (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). Than we read God's testimony of Abraham... Genesis 26:5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. The Hebrew word used here for laws is TORAH H8451; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
As shown above already in the previous post to you more than once now. It is Gods Word that says that the Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week. (Genesis 2:1-3) not sure why you are finding this so hard to understand when Jesus who is the creation says in his own words that he made the sabbath for mankind (human beings) and on the seventh day of creation God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day. Why do you think God blessed the seventh day and set it a part as a holy day?
Gods 4th commandment reads...
Exodus 20:8-11
8, REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. 9, Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10, But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] 11, FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Refering to GENESIS 2:1-3]
Yep pretty clear what God's 4th commandment is referring to here. It is the seventh day of the creation week in Genesis 2:1-3 where God blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a holy day.
Why does there need to be examples of people being told to keep the Sabbath before Moses when God tells us he blessed the seventh day (Genesis 2:1-3) for all mankind (Mark 2:28) and commands his people to keep his Sabbath as a holy day in his 4th commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11)? Your trying to make an argument in silence when God's word has already told us in the words of Jesus that the Sabbath was made on the seventh day of the creation week (Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27; Exodus 20:8-11).
Genesis 26:5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. The Hebrew word used here for laws is TORAH H8451; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law. Before the written where there was the spoken word. God's people have always had and followed God's laws including sin offereings. Sin is the transgression of God's 10 commandments and without the law there is no knowledge of what sin is (1 John 3:4, Romans 3:20). Why would patriachs have sin offering before Sinai if they did not know what sin was? Why would the scriptures say that Abraham kept the Torah if he did not know what the Torah was? Your argument here brother makes no sense and it not biblical as shown in the scriptures examples provided above.
Already answered above. Before the written word was the spoken word.
Already answered;
JESUS says the Sabbath was man for man (Mark 2:27). The Greek word used here for man G444 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance ; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man. As posted earlier on the seventh day o creation it is written...
Genesis 2:1-3
[1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
[2], And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3], And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Where we have the testimony of Jesus as the creator (John 1:1-4; 14) that says...
Mark 2:27
[27], And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man (man G444 is ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos), and not man for the sabbath
Now if the Sabbath was man for man before sin as a part of creation and Jesus and says this was the case in his own words. How can the Sabbath not be made at creation according to you when Gods' words says it was?
I disagree. Maybe this is something you are doing as I see you do not want to have a discussion and will not address my questions asked of you. Thanks for the discussion although I believe you are closed and do not wish to dicuss the scriptures perhaps we need to agree to disagree. Thanks for the discussion though and sharing your thoughts.
I hope you can view this as a friendly discussion and wish you only all love joy and peace in the Lord Jesus.
Have you been here before under a different avatar name?
It was becuase they were enslaved by the egyptians and made to work all the time that God wanted to bring them out so they could have their sabbath rest and the feast God had prepared for them to worship Him. If the israelites had decided they wanted to work even on the seventh day they may as well have just stayed in egypt or gone back to work.
Hmm party with God or slave labour? Which one would you choose?
Hmm party with God or slave labour? Which one would you choose?
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