Why Jerusalem?

[Shilohsfoal]

Again. You seem to not be able to pay attention, if you can’t, I will move on.

I've paid attention to God.
The kingdom promised to the seed of Abraham is the promised land.

The seed is Christ.

After the beast is destroyed, the saints who were killed for thier witness of Jesus and who did not worship the beast, will be resurrected and they shall reign with Christ in the kingdom promised to him.
In the promised land where the ten horns now live.And the little horn as well.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You ignored the passages I mentioned . How can you expect me to respond when you will not even look at them? Non of the passages you quoted showed god will not fulfill the passages I mentioned

I did look at them thoroughly , what you are saying to Me at least doesn’t make any sense , that again it isn’t important if I happen to agree I’m no one special but indeed I did read your post two times . It doesn’t make sense to Me I wish I agreed but I see it differently no offense intended but I did read your post just not understanding the connections you have made I hear what you are saying but I don’t think it means what you think it means

my point to you is the fulfilling of their covenant is based upon good and evil it could become a blessing for Israel Gods chosen nation above all the nations of the earth. The beautiful adorned woman in her glory when God chose her and was a husband to her. Or a curse to all the earth Which happens later in prophecy but begins here

“Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭11:26-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is what led me to show you what he was saying about” finding Jerusalem naked making her beautiful and placing a crown on her head and then she betters yes and defiled thier marriage by whoring herself out to those gods he just warned them about telling them it would make thier covenant a curse ? And would turn her over to her lovers and they would utterly destroy her by his will , that’s Jerusalem he’s talking about In that prophecy and several others like it

This is perpetually what israel
Did from The time Moses was receiving the law on the mountain , to the time of Joshua , all the way to the time of the latter prophets God was saying this and they repeatedly would repent and then return to thier whoredoms and then long after when the prophets had been sent to call them to repentance so they could have what your quoting

“And the Lord hath sent unto you all his servants the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.

They said, Turn ye again now every one from his evil way, and from the evil of your doings, and dwell in the land that the Lord hath given unto you and to your fathers for ever and ever: And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands;

and I will do you no hurt. Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the Lord; that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭25:4-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he was always telling them repent and return to the law of the covenant i
Made with your fathers and I will bless you and restore you , you are locating those parts of fuller prophetic messages that result in then finally running out of patience and he starts promising the remnant who still loves him and is faithful he will send a new covenant not according to the broken eternal
One that’s now a curse. But it’s all based on the whorish nature of the children of Israel according to flesh and blood

even before Moses dies God knew this and declared what he knew they would be

“And the Lord said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us? And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:16-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s the story of israel he’s crush them for thier adulteries , their repent and he’s send a judge among them , they would last a generation then go whoring after other gods again . Repetitively that’s the history of the children of Israel .

until finally the curse comes to pass their restoration is what you are missing like they did, Jesus is The One God sent to Israel for salvation from the curse and they rejected his doctrine and crucified him.

So God took the kingdom from Israel of this earth and is Making a New earth and new Jerusalem a mew people , new seed of Abraham to fill the Promised new earth that is us.

We are included together as one people with believing Israel the early church who did believe the gospel and were saved as we all Can be gentile or Jew

. It’s what the gospel is about creating new people with new hearts and minds through faith in Jesus Christ saving them from the condemnation upon this earth and everyone in it because of sin , to fill the eternal creation to come .

This place is where you find Israel

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

“And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.



..... But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-8‬ ‭

that’s not going to happen until Jesus returns from heaven where his kingdom is now , But our kingdom where Jerusalem reigns will come to earth as it is in heaven with our king when he returns

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You believe the temple of God is a stone building do you?

can’t commit an abomination of desolation without a physical temple. Plus as was prophesied, christ will rule from that temple. And don’t forget, Jesus called the temple that was standing his fathers house.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I've paid attention to God.
The kingdom promised to the seed of Abraham is the promised land.

The seed is Christ.

After the beast is destroyed, the saints who were killed for thier witness of Jesus and who did not worship the beast, will be resurrected and they shall reign with Christ in the kingdom promised to him.
In the promised land where the ten horns now live.And the little horn as well.

The ten horns are in rome

your paying attention to something, but I am not sure what

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I did look at them thoroughly , what you are saying to Me at least doesn’t make any sense , that again it isn’t important if I happen to agree I’m no one special but indeed I did read your post two times . It doesn’t make sense to Me I wish I agreed but I see it differently no offense intended but I did read your post just not understanding the connections you have made I hear what you are saying but I don’t think it means what you think it means

my point to you is the fulfilling of their covenant is based upon good and evil it could become a blessing for Israel Gods chosen nation above all the nations of the earth. The beautiful adorned woman in her glory when God chose her and was a husband to her. Or a curse to all the earth Which happens later in prophecy but begins here

“Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭11:26-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is what led me to show you what he was saying about” finding Jerusalem naked making her beautiful and placing a crown on her head and then she betters yes and defiled thier marriage by whoring herself out to those gods he just warned them about telling them it would make thier covenant a curse ? And would turn her over to her lovers and they would utterly destroy her by his will , that’s Jerusalem he’s talking about In that prophecy and several others like it

This is perpetually what israel
Did from The time Moses was receiving the law on the mountain , to the time of Joshua , all the way to the time of the latter prophets God was saying this and they repeatedly would repent and then return to thier whoredoms and then long after when the prophets had been sent to call them to repentance so they could have what your quoting

“And the Lord hath sent unto you all his servants the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.

They said, Turn ye again now every one from his evil way, and from the evil of your doings, and dwell in the land that the Lord hath given unto you and to your fathers for ever and ever: And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands;

and I will do you no hurt. Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the Lord; that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭25:4-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he was always telling them repent and return to the law of the covenant i
Made with your fathers and I will bless you and restore you , you are locating those parts of fuller prophetic messages that result in then finally running out of patience and he starts promising the remnant who still loves him and is faithful he will send a new covenant not according to the broken eternal
One that’s now a curse. But it’s all based on the whorish nature of the children of Israel according to flesh and blood

even before Moses dies God knew this and declared what he knew they would be

“And the Lord said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us? And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:16-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s the story of israel he’s crush them for thier adulteries , their repent and he’s send a judge among them , they would last a generation then go whoring after other gods again . Repetitively that’s the history of the children of Israel .

until finally the curse comes to pass their restoration is what you are missing like they did, Jesus is The One God sent to Israel for salvation from the curse and they rejected his doctrine and crucified him.

So God took the kingdom from Israel of this earth and is Making a New earth and new Jerusalem a mew people , new seed of Abraham to fill the Promised new earth that is us.

We are included together as one people with believing Israel the early church who did believe the gospel and were saved as we all Can be gentile or Jew

. It’s what the gospel is about creating new people with new hearts and minds through faith in Jesus Christ saving them from the condemnation upon this earth and everyone in it because of sin , to fill the eternal creation to come .

This place is where you find Israel

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

“And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.



..... But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-8‬ ‭

that’s not going to happen until Jesus returns from heaven where his kingdom is now , But our kingdom where Jerusalem reigns will come to earth as it is in heaven with our king when he returns

You keep,posting all these passages about destruction of Isreal (circa Babylon and Rome) and ignoring what happens after those events

lev says if Isreal sins he will punish the, up to and including total military defeat and the destruction of her high places, this happened three times in history, the Assyrians, the Babylonians and the Romans (the last one in 70 ad.

when assyria defeated Israel it scattered her everywhere, judah was not scattered until 70 ad, since that time, both judah and isreal have been scattered in gentile nations. As promised he will make them 1 nation again, by bringing them out of the nations from we ce they were scattered

Ezekiel 37: 21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God. ......25, Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children.

Zech 14:
Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin’s Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and fromthe Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses.
The people shall dwell in it; And no longer shall there be utter destruction, But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

16: And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The stone was not promised a kingdom in Rome.
He was promised a kingdom in the promised land.
That's why after the resurection, the saints reign with Christ in Jerusalem. Not Rome.

indeed the true promised land and the true Jerusalem faith looks far off Towards the heavens to find the promised land in Christ

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

faith looks beyond what is seen and known and touched it looks deeply into the words of God

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.


But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13-14, 16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we have a promised land to be assured of and look forward in hope towards because he promised and we believe

“But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-25, 27-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You keep,posting all these passages about destruction of Isreal (circa Babylon and Rome) and ignoring what happens after those events

lev says if Isreal sins he will punish the, up to and including total military defeat and the destruction of her high places, this happened three times in history, the Assyrians, the Babylonians and the Romans (the last one in 70 ad.

when assyria defeated Israel it scattered her everywhere, judah was not scattered until 70 ad, since that time, both judah and isreal have been scattered in gentile nations. As promised he will make them 1 nation again, by bringing them out of the nations from we ce they were scattered

Ezekiel 37: 21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God. ......25, Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children.

Zech 14:
Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin’s Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and fromthe Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses.
The people shall dwell in it; And no longer shall there be utter destruction, But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

16: And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

brother consider why I’ve repetitively shown you there is going to be a new earth .....a new Jerusalem anyways you seem frustrated and obviously aren’t making the same connections so let’s not get to arguing or insulted and try to discuss again another time about something you seem pretty nice and like you believe the lords word so I can’t argue or start bickering or make you frustrated in good conscience sorry if I did

 

[eternally-gratefull]

brother consider why I’ve repetitively shown you there is going to be a new earth .....a new Jerusalem anyways you seem frustrated and obviously aren’t making the same connections so let’s not get to arguing or insulted and try to discuss again another time about something you seem pretty nice and like you believe the lords word so I can’t argue or start bickering or make you frustrated in good conscience sorry if I did

Brother I know there will be a new heaven and new earth

i am concentrating on what happens between now and then

if you read what I posted, you have to come to the conclusion they are future, because they have not happened yet,

you also have to see, there is sin in that future time. So it can not be the future new heaven and earth, there will be no sin at that time

 

[Pilgrimshope]

2 seperate covenants? Mosaic and new? Well in salvation sense, mosaic was weak and failed, the new covenant is what saved us

but we are talking about the abrahamic. The new covenant does not replace the abrahamic. It is part of the abrahamic. the abrahamic is an eternal covenant, all aspects.

new jerusalem has nothing to do with a covenant lit is a new heaven a and earth when Christ destroys this one. So not sure why your trying to compair these things,

The children of Abraham are Christians who can be Israeli or of any nation Abraham was promised for all
Nations

“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:7-9, 26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Abrams Flesh children rejected the messiah and crucified him , they for generations killed persecuted and rejected his prophets before that listen to Jesus parable here and see if it makes you think

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That other nation is all who are saved through Christ , making them the children of Abraham , Abrams covenant ended in a curse Because of the great whore , so God sent salvation

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Brother I know there will be a new heaven and new earth

i am concentrating on what happens between now and then

if you read what I posted, you have to come to the conclusion they are future, because they have not happened yet,

you also have to see, there is sin in that future time. So it can not be the future new heaven and earth, there will be no sin at that time

I did read every post and. I I totally disagree about your timeline but that’s not an offense I just don’t see what you are saying like you do because I know the condition upon Israel’s promises and what came because the refused God again and again it was always conditional they cursed the world through transgression God sent the new covenant the old is fulfilled it was when Jesus does for any believer Jew or gentile

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The children of Abraham are Christians who can be Israeli or of any nation Abraham was promised for all
Nations

“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:7-9, 26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Abrams Flesh children rejected the messiah and crucified him , they for generations killed persecuted and rejected his prophets before that listen to Jesus parable here and see if it makes you think

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That other nation is all who are saved through Christ , making them the children of Abraham , Abrams covenant ended in a curse Because of the great whore , so God sent salvation

God never promised christians the land of Canaan, he promised abraham, Isaac and jacob that land, and that promise still stands

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I did read every post and. I I totally disagree about your timeline but that’s not an offense I just don’t see what you are saying like you do because I know the condition upon Israel’s promises and what came because the refused God again and again it was always conditional they cursed the world through transgression God sent the new covenant the old is fulfilled it was when Jesus does for any believer Jew or gentile

Then fine, tell me when those events took place.
when did Jesus rule in Jerusalem, and anyone who did not go to worship him punished with no rain

when after judah was scattered in 70 ad were they restored after they repented, and returned to the land

when did God declair that Lev 26 is no longer valid, and if a nation repents and scripture foretells, god no longer will adhere to his own promise?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Brother I know there will be a new heaven and new earth

i am concentrating on what happens between now and then

if you read what I posted, you have to come to the conclusion they are future, because they have not happened yet,

you also have to see, there is sin in that future time. So it can not be the future new heaven and earth, there will be no sin at that time

I have a different view on revelation than you do sort of completely it’s not a timeline of future events it’s showing things from the beginning leading all the way up to The end . John is writing down past present and future events leading up to the restoration of creation with Jerusalem her capitolmcoty again but it has nothing to do with this earths israel

has to do with believing the gospel and being saved

 

[Pilgrimshope]

God never promised christians the land of Canaan, he promised abraham, Isaac and jacob that land, and that promise still stands

the land of cannan is desolate until the new things are restored the temple will never stand again until it comes from heaven and when it does it will be removed

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the land of cannan is desolate until the new things are restored the temple will never stand again until it comes from heaven and when it does it will be removed

Says who?

if this is true, prophecy will never be fulfilled. What does that say about God? That he can not fulfill his own prophecy?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have a different view on revelation than you do sort of completely it’s not a timeline of future events it’s showing things from the beginning leading all the way up to The end . John is writing down past present and future events leading up to the restoration of creation with Jerusalem her capitolmcoty again but it has nothing to do with this earths israel

has to do with believing the gospel and being saved

Has nothing to do with salvation

it has to do what God as the great prophet fortelling the future, it is a tool he uses, if he can not be trusted there, he can not trusted period

 

[Pilgrimshope]

the land of cannan is desolate until the new things are restored the temple will never stand again until it comes from heaven and when it does it will be removed

God never promised christians the land of Canaan, he promised abraham, Isaac and jacob that land, and that promise still stands

that land is desolate and will be destroyed with the earth.

he delivered them into the land and fulfilled that word then they went whoring after other gods cursed the earth by breaking that everlasting covenant

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 17, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think we far apart but that’s ok thanks for the time and discussion I sort of ran out of free time for a bit

this earth brother all the earth is in store for a purpose satan deceived
Man and his angels followed him some men also do they have an eternal
Home this earth we inhabit

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

...Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this earth and everything in it is cursed eternally It is by Gods word reserved for the fires of judgement of the ungodly that is an eternal curse because the law is eternal They transgressed and made it an eternal Curse all Of us who have sinned did the inhabitants of the earth

that includes the land of cannan on this earth It’s not eternal that’s been my point to you about a new jerusalem
In heaven that is yet to come . The old one was a whore and God let her have her lovers by her own will he only kept his words in the law about if they went whoring after other gods he gave them generations to repent finally when the priests became wicked his glory was taken from earth completely until Christ returned

if it’s on this earth then there’s no end to this earth , but there clearly is

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christians are those who receive Abraham’s promise

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Has nothing to do with salvation

it has to do what God as the great prophet fortelling the future, it is a tool he uses, if he can not be trusted there, he can not trusted period

hmm ok man well thanks for sharing all your wisdom I’ll consider the discussion and hope to find some agreement in the future

 

[eternally-gratefull]

that land is desolate and will be destroyed with the earth.

he delivered them into the land and fulfilled that word then they went whoring after other gods cursed the earth by breaking that everlasting covenant

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.

The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6, 17, 19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I think we far apart but that’s ok thanks for the time and discussion I sort of ran out of free time for a bit

this earth brother all the earth is in store for a purpose satan deceived
Man and his angels followed him some men also do they have an eternal
Home this earth we inhabit

“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

...Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7, 10, 13‬ ‭

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this earth and everything in it is cursed eternally It is by Gods word reserved for the fires of judgement of the ungodly that is an eternal curse because the law is eternal They transgressed and made it an eternal Curse all Of us who have sinned did the inhabitants of the earth

that includes the land of cannan on this earth It’s not eternal that’s been my point to you about a new jerusalem
In heaven that is yet to come . The old one was a whore and God let her have her lovers by her own will he only kept his words in the law about if they went whoring after other gods he gave them generations to repent finally when the priests became wicked his glory was taken from earth completely until Christ returned

if it’s on this earth then there’s no end to this earth , but there clearly is

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christians are those who receive Abraham’s promise

The lands are desolate, and the passages I posted prove it will,be restored

if not God lied

 

[Adstar]

The son of perdition is not the beast.
So you deny God's word that the beast attacks and kills his witnesses in Jerusalem and that the Lord comes and fights against those nations which attack Jerusalem?

Don't accuse me of denying things which i have not denied.....

Again Don't accuse people of saying things they have not said....

Don't put words into their mouths..