Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

[Noose]

In the first place, it was not our individual sins that cause us to be separated from God. It was Adam's sin that made God reject all of us automatically.

As Romans 5:12-19 clearly explained, God provided the only way where "He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus." (Romans 3:26). That is accomplish by Jesus's act of obedience towards God by going all the way to the cross.

When we accept Jesus and believe in his death burial and resurrection, God credited the same righteousness of Jesus to all of us who do so. So eternal life is not automatically granted, but only to those who receive his finished work (Romans 5:17).

Partly agree with your statement the first part of it but i have an issue with the last part which could be true but also not true.
When you say we need to accept Jesus and believe in his death burial and resurrection, how does a one year old do that? or do we have different salvation methods for different groups.

 

[Guojing]

Partly agree with your statement the first part of it but i have an issue with the last part which could be true but also not true.
When you say we need to accept Jesus and believe in his death burial and resurrection, how does a one year old do that? or do we have different salvation methods for different groups.

As I have, I personally believe a one year old will always go to heaven if he happens to pass away at that age. If you believe otherwise, well you could be right.

Why use an extreme example to reject the main principle?

 

[Noose]

As I have, I personally believe a one year old will always go to heaven if he happens to pass away at that age. If you believe otherwise, well you could be right.

Why use an extreme example to reject the main principle?

I don't believe otherwise but you are also not qualifying your sentiments, the so called main principle.

There's no separate salvation method for children and another for adults, it is just one way, the reason Jesus urges everyone to change and become like the children for their salvation. So, you can not prescribe for me one way and can't use the same method for a child. It is not an extreme example, i just need an clear explanation for my own understanding about the term 'accepting Christ'. In the same manner the children accept Christ, that's what i also want to emulate.

 

[Guojing]

I don't believe otherwise but you are also not qualifying your sentiments, the so called main principle.

There's no separate salvation method for children and another for adults, it is just one way, the reason Jesus urges everyone to change and become like the children for their salvation. So, you can not prescribe for me one way and can't use the same method for a child. It is not an extreme example, i just need an clear explanation for my own understanding about the term 'accepting Christ'. In the same manner the children accept Christ, that's what i also want to emulate.

I don't understand the issue you have.

A one year old clearly don't have the capability of making a decision to believe Jesus's death burial and resurrection, to be saved.

How does that affect the salvation plan for you as a full grown adult?

 

[Guojing]

I don't believe otherwise but you are also not qualifying your sentiments, the so called main principle.

There's no separate salvation method for children and another for adults, it is just one way, the reason Jesus urges everyone to change and become like the children for their salvation. So, you can not prescribe for me one way and can't use the same method for a child. It is not an extreme example, i just need an clear explanation for my own understanding about the term 'accepting Christ'. In the same manner the children accept Christ, that's what i also want to emulate.

Anyway I just realized you are actually Noose and not Nat2019 and I smiled. I all along thought you were Nat2019 whom I originally addressed my post too.

Okay, since you even believe that works is enough to be saved, even if you don't believe in Jesus, like with Buddhists, I now understand why you come up with such silly counter-examples.

 

[Noose]

I don't understand the issue you have.

A one year old clearly don't have the capability of making a decision to believe Jesus's death burial and resurrection, to be saved.

How does that affect the salvation plan for you as a full grown adult?

Ok, let me see if i'm getting you. Which of these statements are correct and which ones are not:

1. Jesus is the only way
2. The only salvation method is by accepting Jesus' atoning death on the cross for our sins
3. Children are saved
4. Jesus said if we (adults) don't change and become like children, we can not be saved

 

[Noose]

Anyway I just realized you are actually Noose and not Nat2019 and I smiled. I all along thought you were Nat2019 whom I originally addressed my post too.

Okay, since you even believe that works is enough to be saved, even if you don't believe in Jesus, like with Buddhists, I now understand why you come up with such silly counter-examples.

Sorry for the confusion.
I never said i don't have to believe in Jesus, all i said believing in Jesus is actually loving others.

 

[Lightskin]

And i responded to you, pointing out how removed you are from what you quoted me, knowing very well what you believe in. I'm not going to mince my words; the kind of faith you believe in teaches and asks who ascends to heaven and who descends in hell. If i'm misrepresenting you then you need to lay it out clearly. Don't just come and quote me scriptures.

God’s word speaks on my behalf. I’m sorry if you don’t like it. I simply share the word of God, and yet for some reason you disagree with God.

 

[Lightskin]

Nope. I'm sure i did not.

😴

 

[Guojing]

Sorry for the confusion.
I never said i don't have to believe in Jesus, all i said believing in Jesus is actually loving others.

https://christianchat.com/threads/why-i-now-believe-that-salvation-can-be-lost.185786/post-4039784

You even liked my post confirming that you do, without any reply.

 

[Noose]

God’s word speaks on my behalf. I’m sorry if you don’t like it. I simply share the word of God, and yet for some reason you disagree with God.

I like it now.

 

[Noose]

https://christianchat.com/threads/why-i-now-believe-that-salvation-can-be-lost.185786/post-4039784

You even liked my post confirming that you do, without any reply.

You missed my point. And i posted this:

Matt 25:
34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

This people's reaction doesn't sound like they are from some particular religion. They are surprised, they did what they did not because they did it for righteousness sake yet it is being accounted as righteousness. These people don't sound like hey believed in eternal security. And this is not the only example in the bible.

 

[PennEd]

🤮

Perfect sentiment to how Christ feels about those who want to steal some of His Glory through works and obedience and Law keeping.

 

[Nat2019]

Perfect sentiment to how Christ feels about those who want to steal some of His Glory through works and obedience and Law keeping.

I dont even agree with Law keeping, so please dont make these accusations because there untrue.

 

[Nat2019]

It seems like there is a one sided thing going on here-

A OSAS believer can say something about my belief system that isnt true, then it can get multiple likes.

Then I say something about A OSAS believers beliefs that they think is untrue. Then I get multiple comments directed back at me from more than one person and if a person says something incorrect about my beliefs, that OSAS believer gets multiple likes.

So you dont like what I say, well that's your problem and it doesnt mean I am dishonest but this is what I feel about your beliefs and I also have scriptural backup for my claims.

-What scriptural backup do you have for your claims that say I am a (law keeper). Have I provided scripture to even say I am a law keeper.

*And if many of you think you can live like you want and write sinful content to other members and God doesnt notice it, I think you should read your bibles. Because God does notice behaviour. This is why I am against these teachings, because of what they produce in people. Thinking we can live any way we want and inherit eternal life. You know God is actually a Holy and righteous God as well as Just a graceful God....

 

[Lightskin]

What did all the worker bees do this weekend to maintain their salvation?

 

[UnderGrace]

What did all the worker bees do this weekend to maintain their salvation?

Not enough

 

[Guojing]

It seems like there is a one sided thing going on here-

A OSAS believer can say something about my belief system that isnt true, then it can get multiple likes.

Then I say something about A OSAS believers beliefs that they think is untrue. Then I get multiple comments directed back at me from more than one person and if a person says something incorrect about my beliefs, that OSAS believer gets multiple likes.

So you dont like what I say, well that's your problem and it doesnt mean I am dishonest but this is what I feel about your beliefs and I also have scriptural backup for my claims.

-What scriptural backup do you have for your claims that say I am a (law keeper). Have I provided scripture to even say I am a law keeper.

*And if many of you think you can live like you want and write sinful content to other members and God doesnt notice it, I think you should read your bibles. Because God does notice behaviour. This is why I am against these teachings, because of what they produce in people. Thinking we can live any way we want and inherit eternal life. You know God is actually a Holy and righteous God as well as Just a graceful God....

Debating doctrine is like that, especially in anonymous settings like this one.

Whenever one takes a strong and clear stand on something that the majority rejects, you have to get used to being misunderstood and misinterpreted and gang up on

There is a reason why most Christians would rather post and forward only all the encouraging stuff on the internet instead. 🤣

 

[Nat2019]

What did all the worker bees do this weekend to maintain their salvation?

Debating doctrine is like that, especially in anonymous settings like this one.

Whenever one takes a strong and clear stand on something that the majority rejects, you have to get used to being misunderstood and misinterpreted and gang up on

There is a reason why most Christians would rather post and forward only all the encouraging stuff on the internet instead. 🤣

Hi Guojing. You know what's even more disturbing- When you make a comment to one person, then another person gets involved in another persons conversation, not even related to what that person said. Then they post what you wrote, so everyone can see, others start to write comments and even if they are offensive, others will put multiple likes.

It does seem like a Gang up kind of mentality.

Write a comment to one person. Another person gets involved in the conversation, another 5 get involved in the conversation, writing offensive things and then they each like each others comments. So theres now one against 5. One person says something rude to you then people like it who you haven't even spoken to you. Pack mentality.

PS I dont see the point of publically shaming each persons comments. To make them look bad to a group of people. A conversation is between you and that person. I reply in a certain way when I see my beliefs being incorrectly interpreted. And to Pen ed she is the one that wrote rude comments about the message I wrote to another person. This is why I told her what I thought in the end. She seems to write posts to others directed at me. She blocked me because she didn't like what I told her. But I got told multiple things and haven't blocked anyone.

*You can see sarcastic comments written all the time, because these people want to look for a fight...

 

[Lightskin]

Hi Guojing. You know what's even more disturbing- When you make a comment to one person, then another person gets involved in another persons conversation, not even related to what that person said. Then they post what you wrote, so everyone can see, others start to write comments and even if they are offensive, others will put multiple likes.

It does seem like a Gang up kind of mentality.

Write a comment to one person. Another person gets involved in the conversation, another 5 get involved in the conversation, writing offensive things and then they each like each others comments. So theres now one against 5. One person says something rude to you then people like it who you haven't even spoken to you. Pack mentality.

PS I dont see the point of publically shaming each persons comments. To make them look bad to a group of people. A conversation is between you and that person. I reply in a certain way when I see my beliefs being incorrectly interpreted. And to Pen ed she is the one that wrote rude comments about the message I wrote to another person. This is why I told her what I thought in the end. She seems to write posts to others directed at me. She blocked me because she didn't like what I told her. But I got told multiple things and haven't blocked anyone.

*You can see sarcastic comments written all the time, because these people want to look for a fight...

Soooooo, the answer is nothing.