Rom 5:6You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
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Your statement is right backwards; In order to believe in Jesus, you first have to be justified and that was accomplished by Jesus on the cross. Your scripture references support the fact that a person is justified (made innocent) before he believes. It does not say "justified if they will believe, but justifier of those who are believers."
"If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us" 2 Timothy 2:12 KJV
What part of this Verse do you not understand? I myself am 100 %ly sure that salvation loss is possible.[/QUOTE]
That is saying if you deny what Christ has done for you pertinent to His death, burial, and resurrection for your the sake of your salvation, then He will deny you before the Father. It doesn't have anything to do with losing your salvation brother.
What part of this Verse do you not understand? I myself am 100 %ly sure that salvation loss is possible.[/QUOTE]
That is saying if you deny what Christ has done for you pertinent to His death, burial, and resurrection for your the sake of your salvation, then He will deny you before the Father. It doesn't have anything to do with losing your salvation brother.
Amen.
If there is no chance of apostasy, all the warnings about departing from the faith, departing from the living God and falling away are meaningless. Warnings against deception are pointless, WHO CARES if you are deceived in the OSAS scheme of things? You are still saved.
Consider this as well: In order to DEPART from the living God, don't you first need to be there? In order to depart from the faith don't you need to be in it first?
If there is no chance of apostasy, all the warnings about departing from the faith, departing from the living God and falling away are meaningless. Warnings against deception are pointless, WHO CARES if you are deceived in the OSAS scheme of things? You are still saved.
Consider this as well: In order to DEPART from the living God, don't you first need to be there? In order to depart from the faith don't you need to be in it first?
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That is saying if you deny what Christ has done for you pertinent to His death, burial, and resurrection for your the sake of your salvation, then He will deny you before the Father. It doesn't have anything to do with losing your salvation brother.[/QUOTE]
We are put in Christ in the new birth, once you are born, you can not become unborn. If you read the rest of Timothy you will see where Jesus says that he can not deny himself (within us).
We are put in Christ in the new birth, once you are born, you can not become unborn. If you read the rest of Timothy you will see where Jesus says that he can not deny himself (within us).
We are put in Christ in the new birth, once you are born, you can not become unborn. If you read the rest of Timothy you will see where Jesus says that he can not deny himself (within us).[/QUOTE]
Yes once saved always saved. I meant He will deny one who refuses to accept Jesus Christ as their savior. Not sure if what I said was confusing.
Yes once saved always saved. I meant He will deny one who refuses to accept Jesus Christ as their savior. Not sure if what I said was confusing.
Yes once saved always saved. I meant He will deny one who refuses to accept Jesus Christ as their savior. Not sure if what I said was confusing.[/QUOTE]
Accepting Jesus as your Savior is not the cause of (requirement) our eternal salvation, but the affects of being already saved eternally (born again). John 12:47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not, for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 1 Cor 2:14, The natural man, before he is born again, will not accept Jesus.
Accepting Jesus as your Savior is not the cause of (requirement) our eternal salvation, but the affects of being already saved eternally (born again). John 12:47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not, for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 1 Cor 2:14, The natural man, before he is born again, will not accept Jesus.
FYI there is a strong case to be made that Joshua's conquest of the Land of Promise was a symbolic microcosm of the Greater Joshua Jesus conquering the entire planet earth and the demonic powers and principalities thereof.
Just a thought to dial in your perspective. And yes I am a pre-trib rapture futurist.
Just a thought to dial in your perspective. And yes I am a pre-trib rapture futurist.
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GOD gives eternal life and this thru his son. You either believe this or you do not. Those who believe Jesus is the son of God receive eternal life and those who dont dont.
He that has the son has LIFE and he that has not the son has not life. 1 John 5:11 I hope you have eternal life and belong to him. But we don't debate if you can or cant lose it. Not Profitable for his people
He that has the son has LIFE and he that has not the son has not life. 1 John 5:11 I hope you have eternal life and belong to him. But we don't debate if you can or cant lose it. Not Profitable for his people
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Hi I haven't been on here for a while thanks for your reply. I will ask some questions.
Can Luke 6:46
“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?
1 John 3:24
Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.
John 8:51
Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.”
Luke 11:28
But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
James 1:22-25
But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
Philippians 2:8
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming "obedient" to the point of death, even death on a cross.
John 14:23
Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
Romans 6:16
Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?
Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
1 John 3:22
And whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.
James 2:17
So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Whether or not the word "salvation" is involved in these passages these passages still need to be applied as a Christian according to these scriptures. I am not mentioning salvation but that the bible requires all Christians to put the word of God into practice.
Can Luke 6:46
“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?
1 John 3:24
Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.
John 8:51
Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.”
Luke 11:28
But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
James 1:22-25
But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
Philippians 2:8
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming "obedient" to the point of death, even death on a cross.
John 14:23
Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
Romans 6:16
Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?
Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
1 John 3:22
And whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.
James 2:17
So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
Whether or not the word "salvation" is involved in these passages these passages still need to be applied as a Christian according to these scriptures. I am not mentioning salvation but that the bible requires all Christians to put the word of God into practice.
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