Why do Dispensationalists teach Separation Theology?
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Why is it a problem to believe that the Lord will literally come back to earth physically and visibly to set up His eternal Kingdom on earth? The Bible evidence is overwhelming. He is presently in Heaven in His glorified body, and all the saints will receive similar bodies at the Resurrection/Rapture.
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Well, He says that His Words are Spirit and they are Life and that it is the Spirit that quickens but the flesh profits nothing.
I don't think it is a problem to believe that the Lord will literally come back to earth physically but it doesn't seem to fit in with Scripture.
Matthew 24:24-27
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
If the Lord comes literally, physically to Earth like lightning then what about all the people on the opposite side of the world? They won't see it.
But what if the Lord comes literally Spiritually, Past, Present and Future, to those who come to Him? They wouldn't have to be told He is in the desert or He is in secret chambers. It would be like Lightning in the sky and they would Know where Christ is.
Its things like this that cause me to think and wonder. I'm not saying I am 100% right. It just seems to fit better with what the Lord says. And with what prophecies say.
Luke 17:20-24
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
I don't think it is a problem to believe that the Lord will literally come back to earth physically but it doesn't seem to fit in with Scripture.
Matthew 24:24-27
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
If the Lord comes literally, physically to Earth like lightning then what about all the people on the opposite side of the world? They won't see it.
But what if the Lord comes literally Spiritually, Past, Present and Future, to those who come to Him? They wouldn't have to be told He is in the desert or He is in secret chambers. It would be like Lightning in the sky and they would Know where Christ is.
Its things like this that cause me to think and wonder. I'm not saying I am 100% right. It just seems to fit better with what the Lord says. And with what prophecies say.
Luke 17:20-24
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
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This is the SAME mistake the Jews made.
They thought that, according to Scripture, God was coming to be a Conqueror for them.
Well, He did. But He did in a Spiritual Way and NOT in a literal flesh way. And so they missed it.
This is the same with ALL prophecy and the reason why there are endless arguments. We see darkly and not clearly because we are not purely Spiritual people yet.
But the pattern is there for us to "see". I know people who study prophecy don't like this. They want to take it all and make it into something they can understand.
People who are born again should definitely understand some of what Prophecy says because it applies directly to them, imo. A past, present, and future fulfilling of prophecy in a Spiritual Way and not in a literal flesh way. Still literal but not able to be seen by the natural eyes. Only able to be revealed by the "Spiritual" eyes.
I bet everyone in this thread hates me...
They thought that, according to Scripture, God was coming to be a Conqueror for them.
Well, He did. But He did in a Spiritual Way and NOT in a literal flesh way. And so they missed it.
This is the same with ALL prophecy and the reason why there are endless arguments. We see darkly and not clearly because we are not purely Spiritual people yet.
But the pattern is there for us to "see". I know people who study prophecy don't like this. They want to take it all and make it into something they can understand.
People who are born again should definitely understand some of what Prophecy says because it applies directly to them, imo. A past, present, and future fulfilling of prophecy in a Spiritual Way and not in a literal flesh way. Still literal but not able to be seen by the natural eyes. Only able to be revealed by the "Spiritual" eyes.
I bet everyone in this thread hates me...
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This should be kept within its context. When Christ was addressing the Jews, they were generally receiving His words in a carnal sense ("the flesh"), and when He spoke of feeding on Him, they thought He was preaching cannibalism. But the words of Christ are indeed Spirit and Life in that they nurture the spirit and speak of eternal life and spiritual things. But in order to understand the words of Christ one must be born again, and that is when the Holy Spirit reveals the spiritual truths embedded in Scripture.
At the same time, there is simply a huge body of prophecies pertain to the Second Coming of Christ and the LITERAL establishment of God's Kingdom on earth, with Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords. This one passage gives us an overview:
DANIEL 7
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man [Christ] came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days [God the Father], and they brought Him [the Son] near before Him [the Father].
14 And there was given Him dominion, and glory, and a Kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve Him: His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His Kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
When Jesus was being examined by the Sanhedrin before His crucifixion, He made reference to this passage, and the religious leaders accused Him of blasphemy.
At the same time, there is simply a huge body of prophecies pertain to the Second Coming of Christ and the LITERAL establishment of God's Kingdom on earth, with Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords. This one passage gives us an overview:
DANIEL 7
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man [Christ] came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days [God the Father], and they brought Him [the Son] near before Him [the Father].
14 And there was given Him dominion, and glory, and a Kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve Him: His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His Kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
When Jesus was being examined by the Sanhedrin before His crucifixion, He made reference to this passage, and the religious leaders accused Him of blasphemy.
the jews are right. its not a mistake. Jesus is coming as a conqueror. but its only at second coming. first coming was as a suffering servant and lamb of God. second coming will be returning as king of kings conquering lion of tribe of judah, unleashing righteous fury on all His enemies in might and glory.
big difference
thats why many jews thought there could be two messiahs they couldnt reconcile that its same messiah but two comings.
big difference
thats why many jews thought there could be two messiahs they couldnt reconcile that its same messiah but two comings.
I usually stay out of these things because my point of view is SO different from everyone else.
I'm pretty sure I'm getting some of it wrong... But I'm not really that invested in my opinion to start getting upset about it.
I just don't understand enough to say definitively this is how it has to be. Or that is how it has to be.
Some points makes sense and some don't. To me...
I'm pretty sure I'm getting some of it wrong... But I'm not really that invested in my opinion to start getting upset about it.
I just don't understand enough to say definitively this is how it has to be. Or that is how it has to be.
Some points makes sense and some don't. To me...
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I wouldn't discount a literal Kingdom on Earth with Christ sitting on the Throne. There are too many references to it that I don't 100% understand.
But those scriptures that I posted show that The Kingdom doesn't come with observation but it is inside of people.
So perhaps it is both, simultaneously. The Kingdom has come, is here and will be in the future, spiritually in people. And then at some later date it will possibly be literally, physically established on earth.
I guess I'm not concerned with the literal, physical future things but only the literal Spiritual things that have happened, are happening and will happen in the future.
If that makes sense.
But those scriptures that I posted show that The Kingdom doesn't come with observation but it is inside of people.
So perhaps it is both, simultaneously. The Kingdom has come, is here and will be in the future, spiritually in people. And then at some later date it will possibly be literally, physically established on earth.
I guess I'm not concerned with the literal, physical future things but only the literal Spiritual things that have happened, are happening and will happen in the future.
If that makes sense.
Correct.
This is the point also that Peter was conveying in Acts 3 (esp. v.21) and is the same point being made in [the fact that] "King" is used only TWO TIMES in all of the epistles... and both of them are "future" (ex: 1Tim6:15, "Which in his times he SHALL SHEW [/openly manifest], who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords" (see also Rev19:16 [and 17:14 in reverse order]; and noting especially the wording in 19:15b, which is ALSO "future" to that point in the chronology [i.e. future to His "2nd Coming to the earth"])
[Acts 3:21 - "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." (i.e. OT prophecies)]
This is the point also that Peter was conveying in Acts 3 (esp. v.21) and is the same point being made in [the fact that] "King" is used only TWO TIMES in all of the epistles... and both of them are "future" (ex: 1Tim6:15, "Which in his times he SHALL SHEW [/openly manifest], who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords" (see also Rev19:16 [and 17:14 in reverse order]; and noting especially the wording in 19:15b, which is ALSO "future" to that point in the chronology [i.e. future to His "2nd Coming to the earth"])
[Acts 3:21 - "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." (i.e. OT prophecies)]
im interested cause i see that we are close to Jesus coming back.
news are clear we have degenerecy, apostasy, more hot more cold than ever, natural disasters, waters turning red, upheavel, disobedient to parents changing genders, robots replacing humans, technology thats able to track everything so nowhere to hide from antichrist and so on. even pagans in past had more sense than today's liberals
its clear this generation is ready for antichrist. its so caught in tolerance love and unity
news are clear we have degenerecy, apostasy, more hot more cold than ever, natural disasters, waters turning red, upheavel, disobedient to parents changing genders, robots replacing humans, technology thats able to track everything so nowhere to hide from antichrist and so on. even pagans in past had more sense than today's liberals
its clear this generation is ready for antichrist. its so caught in tolerance love and unity
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A misnomer,,,at first in the top paragraph you describe the things that are natural disasters(Gods wrath against those who follow the AC) then things the antichrist does while he is "here"(which fits at first) but then you say "ready for AC" like he hasn't yet came.
If the gender changing,robot,tech. is "here" then the AC is "here now" also ,and so the wrath,anger,ire of God then also afterwards. So then if the Ac has not yet come,then the natural disaster either in wrath because sins have not yet been done. Again if the AC is here then the sin can be being committed and then the wrath as punnishment by God.
The term "the modern church" is meaningless. There are denominations, and there are churches within denominations, and everything which is called "Christian" is within Christendom. Unfortunately (and sadly) Christendom has generally gone into apostasy.
But when God and Christ see the Church (the Body of Christ) which is to be raptured, they see only the blood-bought and blood washed children of God who have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. And that is the Church which will be raptured. These Christians exist across all denominational lines, and only God knows who they are.
But when God and Christ see the Church (the Body of Christ) which is to be raptured, they see only the blood-bought and blood washed children of God who have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. And that is the Church which will be raptured. These Christians exist across all denominational lines, and only God knows who they are.
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