Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

[TheLearner]

I believe that there is a place called Hell, because the Bible says there is. The real torment of hell is that it is a place of complete darkness where unconverted people who have rejected the Gospel of Christ are totally separated from God and all the good things He has created. If you have ever gone caving, and while in the middle of the cave all the torches have been turned off and you have been in total darkness where you can't see the hand in front of your face, then that is what Hell will be like. The Bible calls it the outer darkness where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Most of the torment will be that these souls had the chance to believe the Gospel and be saved, but they rejected it, and now they had to exist for the rest of eternity regretting their foolish decision.

Job 10:21, 22, 17:16, 38:17; Isa 38:10; Psa 9:14, Eze 32; Isa 14; Job 30:23, Gen. 37:35, 42:38; Eze 32:27; Isa 14:9, 26:14; Psa 88, Amos 9:2; Hos 13:14; Deut 32:22; I Sam 2:6; Isa 7:11; Prov 15:11, I Sam 28:3, II Sam 22:6; Psa 18:5-6; Psa 116:3

Job 10:21
Easy-to-Read Version
21 I am going soon to the land of no return,
the place of death and darkness—

Job 38:17
Easy-to-Read Version
17 Has anyone shown you the gates to the world of the dead?
Have you ever seen those gates that lead to the dark place of death?

Isaiah 14
Easy-to-Read Version
4 At that time you will begin to sing this song about the king of Babylon:

The king was cruel when he ruled us,
but now his rule is finished.
5 The Lord breaks the scepter of evil rulers;
he takes away their power.
6 In anger, the king of Babylon beat the people.
He never stopped beating them.
He was an evil ruler who ruled in anger.
He never stopped hurting people.
7 But now, the whole country rests and is quiet.
Now the people begin to celebrate.
8 You were an evil king,
and now you are finished.
Even the pine trees are happy.
The cedar trees of Lebanon rejoice.
They say, “The king chopped us down,
but now the king has fallen,
and he will never stand again.”
9 The place of death is excited
that you are coming.
Sheol is waking the spirits
of all the leaders of the earth for you.
Sheol is making the kings stand up
from their thrones to meet you.
10 They will make fun of you, saying,
“Now you are as dead as we are.
Now you are just like us.”
11 Your pride has been sent down to Sheol.
The music from your harps announces the coming of your proud spirit.
Maggots will be the bed you lie on,
and other worms will cover your body like a blanket.

Job 30:23
Easy-to-Read Version
23 I know you will lead me to my death,
to that place where all the living must go.


Genesis 42:38
Easy-to-Read Version
38 But Jacob said, “I will not let Benjamin go with you. His brother is dead, and he is the only son left from my wife Rachel. It would kill me if anything happened to him during the trip to Egypt. You would send me to the grave[a] a very sad, old man.”

Isaiah 14:9
Easy-to-Read Version
9 The place of death is excited
that you are coming.
Sheol is waking the spirits
of all the leaders of the earth for you.
Sheol is making the kings stand up
from their thrones to meet you.

Isaiah 26:14
Easy-to-Read Version
14 Those dead lords will not come to life.
Those ghosts will not rise from death.
You decided to destroy them,
and you destroyed everything that makes us think about them.

Hosea 13:14
Easy-to-Read Version
14 “I will save them from the grave.
I will rescue them from death.
Death, where are your diseases?
Grave, where is your power?
I am not looking for revenge.

Proverbs 15:11
Easy-to-Read Version
11 The Lord knows everything, even what happens in the place of death. So surely he knows what people are thinking.


2 Samuel 22:6
Easy-to-Read Version
6 The ropes of the grave wrapped around me.
Death set its trap right there in front of me.


Psalm 18:5-6
Easy-to-Read Version
5 The ropes of the grave wrapped around me.
Death set its trap right there in front of me.
6 In my trouble I called to the Lord.
Yes, I cried out to my God for help.
There in his temple he heard my voice.
He heard my cry for help.

Isaiah 8:19
The people will say, “Go to the fortune tellers and wizards who mumble and chirp like birds. Ask them what to do.” But I say, “Shouldn’t people go to their God for help? Why go to the dead to get help for the living?”

Matthew 22:32
God said, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ So they were not still dead, because he is the God only of living people.”

 

[TheLearner]

Well, because you believe on Jesus you are saved and will never go to Hell. As far as being forever, this is what the Bible says. This is why Paul said, "Knowing the terror of the Lord, we persuade men". We have to keep to what the Bible actually says, and not try and use our human reasoning to try and give theories about what God hasn't revealed to us.

I think that God has not shown us in Scripture about the total horrifying nature of Hell and that the horror lasts forever, because His mission is to present the Gospel which tells us that Jesus suffered and died on the Cross to take the guilt and punishment of our sin away from us, and if we decide to believe the Gospel, we will be saved and enjoy the good things of God for eternity.

2 Corinthians 5:8-12
Easy-to-Read Version
8 So I say that we have confidence. And we really want to be away from this body and be at home with the Lord. 9 Our only goal is to always please the Lord, whether we are living here in this body or there with him. 10 We must all stand before Christ to be judged. Everyone will get what they should. They will be paid for whatever they did—good or bad—when they lived in this earthly body.

Helping People Become God’s Friends
11 We know what it means to fear the Lord, so we try to help people accept the truth. God knows what we really are, and I hope that in your hearts you know us too. 12 We are not trying to prove ourselves to you again. But we are telling you about ourselves. We are giving you reasons to be proud of us. Then you will have an answer for those who are proud about what can be seen. They don’t care about what is in a person’s heart.

 

[TheLearner]

You must be careful to quote the Scripture correctly. It says that we should not be afraid of someone who can kill the body, but fear Him who is able to destroy both body and soul. The Scripture does not say that God actually will destroy body and soul in the lake of fire. All it says is that God is more greatly to be feared than man because the consequences of rejecting the Gospel are much more fearful than someone just being able to kill the body.

Taking just one verse and ignoring other references about the eternal consequences for rejecting the Gospel of Christ leads one into error and non-Biblical conjectures. The Scripture says that at the last day resurrection some will be raised to eternity life with Christ and others will be raised to everlasting shame and perdition. So the word "everlasting" does not speak of total destruction to nothing of reprobate souls.

God being able to do something does not mean he will do that.

 

[TheLearner]

The outer darkness is not described as hell. That is where those who are not allowed at the wedding supper are.

The outer darkness you refer to is three times mentioned in Matthew:

But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the
darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 6:12

Then the king told the attendants, 'Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside,
into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' 22:13

And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness,
where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 25:30

So please follow your recommendation of quoting Scripture correctly

Imagine being tossed outside to await your fate knowing those inside are
feasting and preparing for their life ever after, while you await your doom.

Weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth aplenty, I would think.

Hell gets tossed into the lake of fire.

Luke 13:27-28

King James Version



27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Matthew 7:22-24
King James Version
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

 

[TheLearner]

The problem that most Annihiliatonists have is they perceive the word "dead" to mean not-existing or non-existant.

The Bible doesn't use the word in this way, for example when Jesus said let the dead bury the dead He did not mean non-existing people.

The annihilationism movement has gained ground recently because of how soft and sensitive people are and they cannot fathom and eternal torment for someone who was born to lets say abusive parents and got crippled later on in life and never got saved. This is because they are not looking at it from God's point of view where one sin is too many, we need Jesus' blood to redeem us, if no blood, no forgiveness, and even one sin is too many.

They get people into their belief system by trying to appeal to people's sense of mercy and use out of context proof texts which are talking about something entirely different to "prove" their case. Or they give you a false definition of a word like apollumi to mean nothing except for destruction, ceasing to exist. Well, Jesus spoke of lost [apollumi] sheep, who He came to seek, and those apollumi sheep were alive, and definately existing.

The verses they like to twist are things like "wicked shall be no more" and the verses that talk about what happened to people in Sodom and Gomorrah and usually they go to Old Testament verses.
IF you notice, the verses they use are usually talking about the FIRST DEATH, so yes, that fire and brimstone for Sodom and Gomorrah was the FIRST DEATH, but the second death still awaits. Yes, the wicked shall be rooted out of the earth, but thats not all.

Matthew 11:24 says it SHALL BE (future) more tolerable for SODOM on this day of judgment <- Meaning they have not yet experienced that second death, they are in hell/Hades right now waiting for the resurrection after which they are cast into the lake of fire (the second death)

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

I have heard annihilationists twist Rev 14:11 by saying its just the smoke of their torment that rises forever, not that they are tormented, well, the verse says NO REST day nor night.

Get real, if we dismiss the lake of fire for how serious it is, it has negative consequences on evangelism. Unless you are preaching the Jehovah's witness gospel of no salvation.

Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

We know that Abraham is in the paradise side of the grave at that point. Luke 16 and others on the other side of the grave Isa 14:9

 

[TheLearner]

It is not, the great tribulation doesnt last forever and ever LOL.

When my wife is yelling at me about my family it feels like it.

 

[Hakawaka]

That doesn't make sense either because Jesus wasn't referring to bodily death when He referenced the "lost sheep of Israel" or those that "perish" who do not believe in Him. This is easily verifiable since both believers and unbelievers will die a bodily death.

The lost sheep of Israel are spiritually dead and those who do not believe in Jesus are spiritually dead. The eternal life that those who believe in Jesus enjoy is not physical immortality, but rather spiritual eternal life.

The G622 word apollumi (kill, destroy, I lose, mid: I am perishing (the resultant death being viewed as certain) applies comfortably and adequately to the fate of the lost sheep of Israel and unbelievers living today: they'll perish without Christ.

Now we are getting somewhere.

So now that Sodom and Gomorrah have been punished, they will be resurrected and killed again?

Only problem is, the Bible says they are awaiting judgment and it will be worse. It is the FIRST DEATH, and the SECOND DEATH.

Lets review the Scriptures, do any of these give off the idea of dying and you gone:


Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. This verse makes no sense if the second death is just like the first one. You die and you gone.

Matthew 25:46
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Eternal life and eternal punishment. Same word for both.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Tormented day and night forever and ever, the false prophet is undoubtedly a HUMAN, this same lake of fire is where the unbelievers are cast into:

Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Mark 9:43
And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. Another verse that makes no sense if you are an annihilationist. I would rather live with two hands and then go to the annihiliatonist hell where I burn up and cease to exist.

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Again you cannot have everlasting shame and contempt without being conscious

Matthew 11:22
But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. This and many other verses also prove that while these cities were wiped out (sometimes by Fire like in the case of Sodom) they are still awaiting judgment, the eternal lake of fire. Saying this cause almost all the annihilationist proof texts revolve around saying apollumi means cease to exist or quoting verses about "wicked shall be cut off" and plucked from the land etc. Which are all talking about the FIRST DEATH, not the second death.

 

[CS1]

God being able to do something does not mean he will do that.

you have posted many things from scripture but what are you saying? is there a literal hell or not? Where do you stand on the eternal place of hell as you see in scripture?

 

[TheLearner]

1 Corinthians 15

King James Version



15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

 

[TheLearner]

1 Corinthians 15

Easy-to-Read Version



The Good News About Jesus Christ
15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want you to remember the Good News I told you. You received that Good News message, and you continue to base your life on it. 2 That Good News, the message you heard from me, is God’s way to save you. But you must continue believing it. If you don’t, you believed for nothing.
3 I gave you the message that I received. I told you the most important truths: that Christ died for our sins, as the Scriptures say; 4 that he was buried and was raised to life on the third day, as the Scriptures say; 5 and that he appeared to Peter and then to the twelve apostles. 6 After that Christ appeared to more than 500 other believers at the same time. Most of them are still living today, but some have died. 7 Then he appeared to James and later to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, he appeared to me. I was different, like a baby born before the normal time.
9 All the other apostles are greater than I am. I say this because I persecuted the church of God. That is why I am not even good enough to be called an apostle. 10 But, because of God’s grace, that is what I am. And his grace that he gave me was not wasted. I worked harder than all the other apostles. (But I was not really the one working. It was God’s grace that was with me.) 11 So then it is not important if I told you God’s message or if it was the other apostles who told you—we all tell people the same message, and this is what you believed.
We Will Be Raised From Death
12 We tell everyone that Christ was raised from death. So why do some of you say that people will not be raised from death? 13 If no one will ever be raised from death, then Christ has never been raised. 14 And if Christ has never been raised, then the message we tell is worth nothing. And your faith is worth nothing. 15 And we will also be guilty of lying about God, because we have told people about him, saying that he raised Christ from death. And if no one is raised from death, then God never raised Christ from death. 16 If those who have died are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised from death, then your faith is for nothing; you are still guilty of your sins. 18 And those in Christ who have already died are lost. 19 If our hope in Christ is only for this life here on earth, then people should feel more sorry for us than for anyone else.
20 But Christ really has been raised from death—the first one of all those who will be raised. 21 Death comes to people because of what one man did. But now there is resurrection from death because of another man. 22 I mean that in Adam all of us die. And in the same way, in Christ all of us will be made alive again. 23 But everyone will be raised to life in the right order. Christ was first to be raised. Then, when Christ comes again, those who belong to him will be raised to life. 24 Then the end will come. Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities, and powers. Then he will give the kingdom to God the Father.
25 Christ must rule until God puts all enemies under his control.[a] 26 The last enemy to be destroyed will be death. 27 As the Scriptures say, “God put everything under his control.”[b] When it says that “everything” is put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself. God is the one putting everything under Christ’s control. 28 After everything has been put under Christ, then the Son himself will be put under God. God is the one who put everything under Christ. And Christ will be put under God so that God will be the complete ruler over everything.
29 If no one will ever be raised from death, then what will the people do who are baptized for those who have died? If the dead are never raised, then why are people baptized for them?
30 And what about us? Why do we put ourselves in danger every hour? 31 I face death every day. That is true, brothers and sisters, just as it is true that I am proud of what you are because of Christ Jesus our Lord. 32 I fought wild animals in Ephesus. If I did that only for human reasons, then I have gained nothing. If we are not raised from death, “Let us eat and drink, because tomorrow we die.”[c]
33 Don’t be fooled: “Bad friends will ruin good habits.” 34 Come back to your right way of thinking and stop sinning. Some of you don’t know God. I say this to shame you.
What Kind of Body Will We Have?
35 But someone may ask, “How are the dead raised? What kind of body will they have?” 36 These are stupid questions. When you plant something, it must die in the ground before it can live and grow. 37 And when you plant something, what you plant does not have the same “body” that it will have later. What you plant is only a seed, maybe wheat or something else. 38 But God gives it the body that he has planned for it, and he gives each kind of seed its own body. 39 All things made of flesh are not the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds have another, and fish have yet another kind. 40 Also there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the beauty of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the beauty of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of beauty, the moon has another kind, and the stars have another. And each star is different in its beauty.
42 It will be the same when those who have died are raised to life. The body that is “planted” in the grave will ruin and decay, but it will be raised to a life that cannot be destroyed. 43 When the body is “planted,” it is without honor. But when it is raised, it will be great and glorious. When the body is “planted,” it is weak. But when it is raised, it will be full of power. 44 The body that is “planted” is a physical body. When it is raised, it will be a spiritual body.
There is a physical body. So there is also a spiritual body. 45 As the Scriptures say, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.[d]”[e] But the last Adam[f] is a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual man did not come first. It was the physical man that came first; then came the spiritual. 47 The first man came from the dust of the earth. The second man came from heaven. 48 All people belong to the earth. They are like that first man of earth. But those who belong to heaven are like that man of heaven. 49 We were made like that man of earth, so we will also be made like that man of heaven.
50 I tell you this, brothers and sisters: Our bodies of flesh and blood cannot have a part in God’s kingdom. Something that will ruin cannot have a part in something that never ruins. 51 But listen, I tell you this secret: We will not all die, but we will all be changed. 52 It will only take the time of a second. We will be changed as quickly as an eye blinks. This will happen when the last trumpet blows. The trumpet will blow and those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we will all be changed. 53 This body that ruins must clothe itself with something that will never ruin. And this body that dies must clothe itself with something that will never die. 54 So this body that ruins will clothe itself with that which never ruins. And this body that dies will clothe itself with that which never dies. When this happens, the Scriptures will be made true:
“Death is swallowed in victory.”
55 “O death, where is your victory?
Where is your power to hurt?”
56 Death’s power to hurt is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But we thank God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!
58 So, my dear brothers and sisters, stand strong. Don’t let anything change you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord. You know that your work in the Lord is never wasted.

 

[TheLearner]

I already said, that hell is eternal just like everlasting life is. Matthew 25:46

 

[CS1]

Now we are getting somewhere.

So now that Sodom and Gomorrah have been punished, they will be resurrected and killed again?

Only problem is, the Bible says they are awaiting judgment and it will be worse. It is the FIRST DEATH, and the SECOND DEATH.

Lets review the Scriptures, do any of these give off the idea of dying and you gone:


Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. This verse makes no sense if the second death is just like the first one. You die and you gone.

Matthew 25:46
And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Eternal life and eternal punishment. Same word for both.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Tormented day and night forever and ever, the false prophet is undoubtedly a HUMAN, this same lake of fire is where the unbelievers are cast into:

Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Mark 9:43
And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. Another verse that makes no sense if you are an annihilationist. I would rather live with two hands and then go to the annihiliatonist hell where I burn up and cease to exist.

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Again you cannot have everlasting shame and contempt without being conscious

Matthew 11:22
But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. This and many other verses also prove that while these cities were wiped out (sometimes by Fire like in the case of Sodom) they are still awaiting judgment, the eternal lake of fire. Saying this cause almost all the annihilationist proof texts revolve around saying apollumi means cease to exist or quoting verses about "wicked shall be cut off" and plucked from the land etc. Which are all talking about the FIRST DEATH, not the second death.

what is your problem with them being resurrected to be killed again? God is not justified to do that? Is man's dissatisfaction with God's method of Judgement mean God can't do just that?

 

[CS1]

I already said, that hell is eternal just like everlasting life is. Matthew 25:46

Ok, I see so many verses which I have no intention of reading all in full. So I am asking to know what you think and move on thank you.

 

[ewq1938]

The problem that most Annihiliatonists have is they perceive the word "dead" to mean not-existing or non-existant.

The Bible doesn't use the word in this way, for example when Jesus said let the dead bury the dead He did not mean non-existing people.

Which is the most least used meaning for dead. The vast majority is someone who is literally dead, not existing in this physical Earth. The second death involves death and full destruction of soul, spirit and body where no part of person remains alive.

John_3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life ; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

"shall not see life" means will not be alive.



Universalism -all people (saved and unsaved) will see life in the New Heaven and new Earth for all eternity--FALSE DOCTRINE

Eternal torment -all unsaved people will see life in torment (lake of fire) for all eternity--FALSE DOCTRINE

Annihilationism - all unsaved people will not see life as Christ said.--TRUE DOCTRINE


Only Annihilation matches what Christ taught in John_3:36.

 

[ewq1938]

It is not, the great tribulation doesnt last forever and ever LOL.

The great tribulation doesnt last forever and ever LOL. It lasts 42 months. Read Rev 11 and 13 to see that.

 

[ewq1938]

Is eternal life and eternal punishment of the same grammar an exaggeration? Matthew 25:46 thanks.

Eternal punishment and not same as eternal torment. The punishment or judicial decision made regarding the unsaved is that they shall die and remain dead forever called second death. That is their eternal judgment./punishment. You are removing the actual judgment and inserting a different one.

 

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[CS1]

Hell is a real place and Jesus said so. it is a place of eternal torment