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what law are you referring to ? The law of Moses ? Given at Sinai ?
Or the law of Christ the gospel of the kingdom of God ?
do I think Christians should convert to
Moses law ? No terrible idea. Do I believe Christians have no law ? No not at all . I “ subscribe “ to this idea brother
“The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
Luke 16:16 KJV
I believe the new covenant began there and the law is what the lord Jesus preached .
“And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:15 KJV
I believe it’s the same for anyone until the end
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
I believe that and regarding Moses law I believe we are baptized into Christ’s death
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Romans 6:3-4 KJV
And death is the end of the law releasing us from it because we were held in death by it were baptized into his death for this reason
“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;
that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;
that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
Romans 7:4-6 KJV
we serve by the spirit that doctrine begins when Jesus receives the Holy Ghost and began preaching the doctrine of the spirit the gospel of the kingdom of God .
Moses law was set in place for its time and reasons , the gospel is where salvation and life exist we have a law to believe and learn and follow but it’s not Moses law of the old covenant that’s broken now , it’s Jesus the mediator of the new covenants word that is the covenant and his blood that is the atonement
Or the law of Christ the gospel of the kingdom of God ?
do I think Christians should convert to
Moses law ? No terrible idea. Do I believe Christians have no law ? No not at all . I “ subscribe “ to this idea brother
“The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
Luke 16:16 KJV
I believe the new covenant began there and the law is what the lord Jesus preached .
“And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:15 KJV
I believe it’s the same for anyone until the end
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
I believe that and regarding Moses law I believe we are baptized into Christ’s death
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Romans 6:3-4 KJV
And death is the end of the law releasing us from it because we were held in death by it were baptized into his death for this reason
“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;
that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;
that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.”
Romans 7:4-6 KJV
we serve by the spirit that doctrine begins when Jesus receives the Holy Ghost and began preaching the doctrine of the spirit the gospel of the kingdom of God .
Moses law was set in place for its time and reasons , the gospel is where salvation and life exist we have a law to believe and learn and follow but it’s not Moses law of the old covenant that’s broken now , it’s Jesus the mediator of the new covenants word that is the covenant and his blood that is the atonement
So you do believe that after a Christian is saved by grace through faith, which is the gift of God, he will be leading a life prepared by God within God's law, which is the law of Christ, of the gospel of the Kingdom of God.
Do you believe the law of Christ, of the gospel of the Kingdom of God, is summed up as follows:
Luke 10 (ESV)
25 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" 26 He said to him, "What is written in the Law? How do you read it?" 27 And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself." 28 And he said to him, "You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live."
If not, what do you believe is the "law of Christ", as Christ and God is one?
Do you believe the law of Christ, of the gospel of the Kingdom of God, is summed up as follows:
Luke 10 (ESV)
25 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" 26 He said to him, "What is written in the Law? How do you read it?" 27 And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself." 28 And he said to him, "You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live."
If not, what do you believe is the "law of Christ", as Christ and God is one?
I'm gonna go and answer this question though it's been answered already. Here's how I look at it. In today's world, we have the worst examples sitting as a president, prime minister, judge, police, lawyer, doctor, you name it. I'm not generalizing. There are gems out there for sure. But there are so many bad examples out there who don't deserve to be in a position of power. Often times, they give more importance to the law and forget what it means to be human. I see Jesus not just as my God and saviour. He is also someone who stood up for those who couldn't stand up for themselves.
He understood how far man uses the law for unjust means and how man uses the law to favour the rich and those who have everything in life. God prefers mercy more than so called righteous cruelty in the name of the law. And Jesus had and will always have more authority to do as He pleases because He is the Son of God. He didn't disobey God in any way. Rather He did what was right. Saw someone sick and healed that person. I think that would please God. He gives a beautiful explanation in the following passage taken from Mark Chapter 2: 23-28.
23 Jesus was walking through some wheat fields on a Sabbath. As his disciples walked along with him, they began to pick the heads of wheat. 24 So the Pharisees said to Jesus, “Look, it is against our Law for your disciples to do that on the Sabbath!”
25 Jesus answered, “Have you never read what David did that time when he needed something to eat? He and his men were hungry, 26 so he went into the house of God and ate the bread offered to God. This happened when Abiathar was the High Priest. According to our Law only the priests may eat this bread—but David ate it and even gave it to his men.”
27 And Jesus concluded, “The Sabbath was made for the good of human beings; they were not made for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
He understood how far man uses the law for unjust means and how man uses the law to favour the rich and those who have everything in life. God prefers mercy more than so called righteous cruelty in the name of the law. And Jesus had and will always have more authority to do as He pleases because He is the Son of God. He didn't disobey God in any way. Rather He did what was right. Saw someone sick and healed that person. I think that would please God. He gives a beautiful explanation in the following passage taken from Mark Chapter 2: 23-28.
23 Jesus was walking through some wheat fields on a Sabbath. As his disciples walked along with him, they began to pick the heads of wheat. 24 So the Pharisees said to Jesus, “Look, it is against our Law for your disciples to do that on the Sabbath!”
25 Jesus answered, “Have you never read what David did that time when he needed something to eat? He and his men were hungry, 26 so he went into the house of God and ate the bread offered to God. This happened when Abiathar was the High Priest. According to our Law only the priests may eat this bread—but David ate it and even gave it to his men.”
27 And Jesus concluded, “The Sabbath was made for the good of human beings; they were not made for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
I’m summed up ? Sure . When your saying “ by grave through faith “ that’s also a summary . A summary needs the understanding or it’s an empty phrase .
what I mean is
by grace through faith doesn’t actually have any meaning until you define what is Gods Grace ? What is the grace we are warned would be brought into the church?
and then you would have to define what Gods word says of faith , what it is and where it comes from ect summaries are great we’re all saved by grace just like Noah was saved by grace genesis 6:8 and we’re saved by faith just like Noah was saved by faith and the work it produces because he believed what God had said.
“But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
( god gives the instructions how Noah can be saved from what he just said )
Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.”
Genesis 6:8, 13-14, 22
do you know what ? That’s faith and it was still hundreds of years before Moses law was added .
“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house;
by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
Hebrews 11:7 KJV
that has nothing to do with the law Noah believed Gods warning of what Noah couldn’t see coming , because he believed when God told him what to do to be saved
, he didn’t argue and declare “grace means unwarranted favor there’s nothing to do I don’t need to listen and obey your word of my salvation lord “
Noah had faith in Gods word , so he obeyed it believing he would be saved from the coming wrath of God upon the world. The law had nothing to do with Noah’s faith it hadn’t been given
then Abraham the descendant of Noah still 400 years before the law was given he had faith in Gods word apart from Moses law God told him he was choosing and blessing him and then gave him a word to obey.
Abraham believed Gods promise and so he went out not even knowing where he was going walking by faith was Abraham Who believes God so he did what God said to do
“By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and
he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.”
Hebrews 11:8-10 KJV
Again Moses law is not of faith
“But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident:
for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ;
that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
Galatians 3:11-14 KJV
the law is a curse since Christ was crucified to remove it, to hold on to an old law doesn’t allow for one to see through the veil Christ removed in the gospel
“And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament;
which veil is done away in Christ.
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.”
2 Corinthians 3:13-16 KJV
The law and prophets are good for learning about Christ , they aren’t meant to be the account of Christians because Christians have died through baptism to the law remitting thier sins through his death and being delivered into his kingdom together as one people with Israel
in the Old Testament Moses law was the judge his words , Christ fulfilled that for every baptized believer in his death and gave us a word of life to believe and be saved .
You can’t obey Christ’s word and Moses one example is marriage Jesus taught things from before the law was given , Moses taught “ of your not happy when you choose a wife , divorce her and both may re marry “
Jesus taught something different he taught “ the only reason for divorce is fornication , and anyone who divorces Aren’t allowed to re Marry or they are committing adultery “
that’s different is my point of we obey Moses we will be transgressing the new testament the gospel Jesus taught . If we obey Jesus , Moses law doesn’t apply because obeying Christ keeps one from adultery and divorce without ever even hearing Moses words we won’t be offending God in any way of we do this
“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Matthew 11:27-30 KJV
that’s Gods Grace brother that last section of verses from Matthew grace And truth teaches us about repentance and righteousness according to the true God while assuring us of his ability to deliver on his promise of salvation if we will accept and believe the gospel being baptized because we believe the message of repentance and remission of sins in Jesus name being separate from Moses law contrary in many ways like marriage the one example of many that oppose so that both cannot be observed
there’s a new covenant with new words from A new mediator is what I believe the Bible says , we belong to kesus and his doctrine Moses was the mediator of Israel in the desert but they chose death instead of life God sent salvation and they Rejected Jesus doctrine and crucified the messiah that God had delivered to them that law became a curse upon the earth long ago in fact it came because of sin
“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
Galatians 3:19 KJV
That seed is Christ until he came was the law few notice in scripture but it was ordained of angels given into Moses hands and the gospel came by God swearing but his own self that he would bring forth the savior of the world .
the law is not faith Hearing the word of God through Christ is faith and we walk by faith
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
Jesus said a lot let them with ears hear my words and believe
what I mean is
by grace through faith doesn’t actually have any meaning until you define what is Gods Grace ? What is the grace we are warned would be brought into the church?
and then you would have to define what Gods word says of faith , what it is and where it comes from ect summaries are great we’re all saved by grace just like Noah was saved by grace genesis 6:8 and we’re saved by faith just like Noah was saved by faith and the work it produces because he believed what God had said.
“But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
( god gives the instructions how Noah can be saved from what he just said )
Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.”
Genesis 6:8, 13-14, 22
do you know what ? That’s faith and it was still hundreds of years before Moses law was added .
“By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house;
by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
Hebrews 11:7 KJV
that has nothing to do with the law Noah believed Gods warning of what Noah couldn’t see coming , because he believed when God told him what to do to be saved
, he didn’t argue and declare “grace means unwarranted favor there’s nothing to do I don’t need to listen and obey your word of my salvation lord “
Noah had faith in Gods word , so he obeyed it believing he would be saved from the coming wrath of God upon the world. The law had nothing to do with Noah’s faith it hadn’t been given
then Abraham the descendant of Noah still 400 years before the law was given he had faith in Gods word apart from Moses law God told him he was choosing and blessing him and then gave him a word to obey.
Abraham believed Gods promise and so he went out not even knowing where he was going walking by faith was Abraham Who believes God so he did what God said to do
“By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and
he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.”
Hebrews 11:8-10 KJV
Again Moses law is not of faith
“But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident:
for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ;
that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.”
Galatians 3:11-14 KJV
the law is a curse since Christ was crucified to remove it, to hold on to an old law doesn’t allow for one to see through the veil Christ removed in the gospel
“And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament;
which veil is done away in Christ.
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.”
2 Corinthians 3:13-16 KJV
The law and prophets are good for learning about Christ , they aren’t meant to be the account of Christians because Christians have died through baptism to the law remitting thier sins through his death and being delivered into his kingdom together as one people with Israel
in the Old Testament Moses law was the judge his words , Christ fulfilled that for every baptized believer in his death and gave us a word of life to believe and be saved .
You can’t obey Christ’s word and Moses one example is marriage Jesus taught things from before the law was given , Moses taught “ of your not happy when you choose a wife , divorce her and both may re marry “
Jesus taught something different he taught “ the only reason for divorce is fornication , and anyone who divorces Aren’t allowed to re Marry or they are committing adultery “
that’s different is my point of we obey Moses we will be transgressing the new testament the gospel Jesus taught . If we obey Jesus , Moses law doesn’t apply because obeying Christ keeps one from adultery and divorce without ever even hearing Moses words we won’t be offending God in any way of we do this
“All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
Matthew 11:27-30 KJV
that’s Gods Grace brother that last section of verses from Matthew grace And truth teaches us about repentance and righteousness according to the true God while assuring us of his ability to deliver on his promise of salvation if we will accept and believe the gospel being baptized because we believe the message of repentance and remission of sins in Jesus name being separate from Moses law contrary in many ways like marriage the one example of many that oppose so that both cannot be observed
there’s a new covenant with new words from A new mediator is what I believe the Bible says , we belong to kesus and his doctrine Moses was the mediator of Israel in the desert but they chose death instead of life God sent salvation and they Rejected Jesus doctrine and crucified the messiah that God had delivered to them that law became a curse upon the earth long ago in fact it came because of sin
“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
Galatians 3:19 KJV
That seed is Christ until he came was the law few notice in scripture but it was ordained of angels given into Moses hands and the gospel came by God swearing but his own self that he would bring forth the savior of the world .
the law is not faith Hearing the word of God through Christ is faith and we walk by faith
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
Jesus said a lot let them with ears hear my words and believe
From our Lord Christ's Gospel law:
Matthew 23 (ESV)
2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"
Matthew 23 (ESV)
2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"
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yes why wouldn’t he tell circumcised israel that before his death , if what fulfilled it was Jesus death ?
here’s a question for you are we supposed to obey Moses or Jesus ? The Pharisees wee convinced it was Moses law let’s examine it
This is what Moses said about marriage and divorce it’s written so we don’t have to guess or argue about what moses wrote
“When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.”
Deuteronomy 24:1-2 KJV
Pretty clear . So the Pharisees who trusted in moses law question Jesus according to the law of marriage given by Moses
“The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives:
but from the beginning it was not so.
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
Matthew 19:3-9 KJV
so which is Gods actual law ? What came before man sinned ? Or what came from mans sin ? Should we divorce if we’re unhappy or follow the gospel ?
so which law is the truth ? The one which came to the hard hearted sinners ? Or the one which came to mankind by ordination of God in the beginning ?
Which is what Jesus taught what was before the law , before transgression
“Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”
Genesis 2:24
that’s from before mankind sinned
Jesus teachings are from before the mosaic law was added because of sin they are the true word of God before man became sinners and the law was added until Christ should come.
“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
Galatians 3:19, 23-26 KJV
notice not by faith on Moses or by the law , but by faith in Christ Jesus .
the law was only meant for a time until the messiah came with salvation through faith We walk by faith
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
but it doesn’t come from the law
“But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
Galatians 3:11-12 KJV
It comes from the word of Christ which is the word of faith the gospel he sent into the world does this
“The sower soweth the word.
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.”
Mark 4:14-20 KJV
before or after the resurrection
“For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:”
Colossians 1:5-6 KJV
the law is a veil to the truth of God the truth was before and after the law
here’s a question for you are we supposed to obey Moses or Jesus ? The Pharisees wee convinced it was Moses law let’s examine it
This is what Moses said about marriage and divorce it’s written so we don’t have to guess or argue about what moses wrote
“When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.”
Deuteronomy 24:1-2 KJV
Pretty clear . So the Pharisees who trusted in moses law question Jesus according to the law of marriage given by Moses
“The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives:
but from the beginning it was not so.
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
Matthew 19:3-9 KJV
so which is Gods actual law ? What came before man sinned ? Or what came from mans sin ? Should we divorce if we’re unhappy or follow the gospel ?
so which law is the truth ? The one which came to the hard hearted sinners ? Or the one which came to mankind by ordination of God in the beginning ?
Which is what Jesus taught what was before the law , before transgression
“Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”
Genesis 2:24
that’s from before mankind sinned
Jesus teachings are from before the mosaic law was added because of sin they are the true word of God before man became sinners and the law was added until Christ should come.
“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
Galatians 3:19, 23-26 KJV
notice not by faith on Moses or by the law , but by faith in Christ Jesus .
the law was only meant for a time until the messiah came with salvation through faith We walk by faith
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
but it doesn’t come from the law
“But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
Galatians 3:11-12 KJV
It comes from the word of Christ which is the word of faith the gospel he sent into the world does this
“The sower soweth the word.
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.”
Mark 4:14-20 KJV
before or after the resurrection
“For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:”
Colossians 1:5-6 KJV
the law is a veil to the truth of God the truth was before and after the law
BenjaminN said:
From our Lord Christ's Gospel law:
Matthew 23 (ESV)
2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"
Revelation 14 (ESV)
12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
Matthew 5 (ESV)
17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Acts 1 (ESV)
...I have dealt with all that Jesus began to do and teach, 2 until the day when he was taken up, after he had given commands through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom he had chosen. 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority.
From our Lord Christ's Gospel law:
Matthew 23 (ESV)
2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice. 23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"
Revelation 14 (ESV)
12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
Matthew 5 (ESV)
17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Acts 1 (ESV)
...I have dealt with all that Jesus began to do and teach, 2 until the day when he was taken up, after he had given commands through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom he had chosen. 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority.
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
Matthew 5:17-18
“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Luke 24:44, 46-47
“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
Romans 10:4 KJV
“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.”
John 5:39-40, 45 KJV
It’s a matter of who’s word we obey Moses or Jesus Jesus will give eternal
Life Moses will accuse for sin
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
Matthew 5:17-18
“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Luke 24:44, 46-47
“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”
Romans 10:4 KJV
“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.”
John 5:39-40, 45 KJV
It’s a matter of who’s word we obey Moses or Jesus Jesus will give eternal
Life Moses will accuse for sin
God, and Jesus is God the Son. It is eternal commandments brother. It is commandments of love, as summed up in Luke 10:27. You are not fighting Moses, you are fighting God. God wrote the nexus of the commandments on tablets of stone for Moses, with his own finger under the old covenant, under the new covenant the same commandments are written on our hearts with the blood of God's Son, Christ Yeshua.
Luke 10 (ESV)
25 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" 26 He said to him, "What is written in the Law? How do you read it?" 27 And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself." 28 And he said to him, "You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live."
Hebrews 8 (ESV)
8 For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more." 13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Luke 10 (ESV)
25 And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?" 26 He said to him, "What is written in the Law? How do you read it?" 27 And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself." 28 And he said to him, "You have answered correctly; do this, and you will live."
Hebrews 8 (ESV)
8 For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more." 13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
I think it’s interesting that I can’t find anything in the OT that says you can’t heal on the sabbath. I think the Sabbath for the Pharisees was an excuse to be lazy, if healing was work then how might they love their brother by letting someone die or carry the burden of being sick or lame. They had many traditions that were not in the Old Testament that were made up by men which made void the law.
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The Sabbath was made for man. Mark 2:27
I think I know what you mean by can’t inter the sabbath because you believe the sabbath is Jesus. But I can’t concur with that because Jesus was not made he is and always will be. He is God. So to say Jesus is your Sabbath is to say that Jesus was created. Does that make sense? Maybe I miss understand your meaning of Sabbath.
I think I know what you mean by can’t inter the sabbath because you believe the sabbath is Jesus. But I can’t concur with that because Jesus was not made he is and always will be. He is God. So to say Jesus is your Sabbath is to say that Jesus was created. Does that make sense? Maybe I miss understand your meaning of Sabbath.
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I don't believe Jesus is Sabbath, but that Sabbath is in Jesus. I believe "rest from our own works" is Sabbath that was to come and foreshadowed by the ordinance. We are buried with Christ, resting/ceasing from our own no-good works aka from doing our own will. Sabbath is abiding in God's rest. "Come all you weary and I will give you rest"
Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
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how am I fighting God though ? By believing Jesus and what he said ? And recognizing it’s not the same thing moses said ? Can you address that point what Moses aid to do and what Jesus said to do are contrary . I’ve shown you marriage And divorce clearly is different .
what I’m asking you is. It to explain I’m fighting Against God but answer me why does Jesus say contrary things as to what Moses said . Not the same but clearer but opposite in many points ? Can you acknowlegde that part ? Or am
I fighting God ? By recognizing what Jesus was saying ?
yes he writes his laws on our hearts not Moses law though it’s written this way and only this way
“And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:
Before the cross or after
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
that doesn’t say preach the law and obey Moses it’s the gospel the new covenant 😇 the reason he says repent and believe the gospel is so it can be “ written on our hearts by faith “
🙏
“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
Matthew 5:27-28
one is flesh one is spirit , one is spoken into the heart and needs acceptance and belief that’s faith the other is spoken to the flesh and counts for nothing but works against us to produce death and a need for a word made of faith that can be written on a heart because it’s spoken to a heart under this condition
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Moses taught one thing jesus taught another is My point my dear brother often they are contrary
“Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
Matthew 5:33-34, 38-39
What I’m asking you is who most he mediator ofntbeneternal
Covenant ? Jesus or Moses ?
“But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh.
For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:”
Hebrews 12:22-25 KJV
Moses law is what he says we don’t come to
“For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard entreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
”
Hebrews 12:18-21 KJV
thee are two covenants and two
Mediators of those two covenants one is of the earth and one is of heaven . We belong to avid by Christ’s intercession not Moses intercession is the point the law is great for learning but isn’t the law of God after Christ’s death for sins
“And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.”
Hebrews 9:15 KJV
Anyway thatsbsortnofnwhere I’m at dear brother I believe to hear and accept and believe and follow after the gospel , is what will save anyone , and what makes us the free children of God based upon not Moses or the law , but based purely upon faith in Christ built by his words in the everlasting Gospel.
it’s different than the law because it was always meant to be better and would save rather than condemn . Would bring repentance And life rather than condemnation and death for sin
what I’m asking you is. It to explain I’m fighting Against God but answer me why does Jesus say contrary things as to what Moses said . Not the same but clearer but opposite in many points ? Can you acknowlegde that part ? Or am
I fighting God ? By recognizing what Jesus was saying ?
yes he writes his laws on our hearts not Moses law though it’s written this way and only this way
“And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:
Before the cross or after
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
that doesn’t say preach the law and obey Moses it’s the gospel the new covenant 😇 the reason he says repent and believe the gospel is so it can be “ written on our hearts by faith “
🙏
“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
Matthew 5:27-28
one is flesh one is spirit , one is spoken into the heart and needs acceptance and belief that’s faith the other is spoken to the flesh and counts for nothing but works against us to produce death and a need for a word made of faith that can be written on a heart because it’s spoken to a heart under this condition
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Moses taught one thing jesus taught another is My point my dear brother often they are contrary
“Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
Matthew 5:33-34, 38-39
What I’m asking you is who most he mediator ofntbeneternal
Covenant ? Jesus or Moses ?
“But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh.
For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:”
Hebrews 12:22-25 KJV
Moses law is what he says we don’t come to
“For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard entreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
”Hebrews 12:18-21 KJV
thee are two covenants and two
Mediators of those two covenants one is of the earth and one is of heaven . We belong to avid by Christ’s intercession not Moses intercession is the point the law is great for learning but isn’t the law of God after Christ’s death for sins
“And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.”
Hebrews 9:15 KJV
Anyway thatsbsortnofnwhere I’m at dear brother I believe to hear and accept and believe and follow after the gospel , is what will save anyone , and what makes us the free children of God based upon not Moses or the law , but based purely upon faith in Christ built by his words in the everlasting Gospel.
it’s different than the law because it was always meant to be better and would save rather than condemn . Would bring repentance And life rather than condemnation and death for sin
men who are not led by and following the Spirit of God can make up bad traditions, man-made traditions that of course can contradict or conflict with the plain truth of God revealed (God's truth being spirit, not just words). even God's laws of 10 can conflict and this is why we need the Spirit to properly follow all of them, and at the same time together.
men, in their darkened minds (unspiritual, less spiritual) can make up all kinds of things unhelpful to the real and more genuine spiritual person. and even unhelpful to themselves - leading them further into darkness by their own made-up teachings, additions, and rules along with their carnal hearts.
supposedly good - a hedge, a help, a fence. but not always helpful or good as proven by following God in spirit and in truth.
John 4:23
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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how am I fighting God though ? By believing Jesus and what he said ? And recognizing it’s not the same thing moses said ? Can you address that point what Moses aid to do and what Jesus said to do are contrary . I’ve shown you marriage And divorce clearly is different .
what I’m asking you is. It to explain I’m fighting Against God but answer me why does Jesus say contrary things as to what Moses said . Not the same but clearer but opposite in many points ? Can you acknowlegde that part ? Or am
I fighting God ? By recognizing what Jesus was saying ?
yes he writes his laws on our hearts not Moses law though it’s written this way and only this way
“And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:
Before the cross or after
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
that doesn’t say preach the law and obey Moses it’s the gospel the new covenant 😇 the reason he says repent and believe the gospel is so it can be “ written on our hearts by faith “
🙏
“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
Matthew 5:27-28
one is flesh one is spirit , one is spoken into the heart and needs acceptance and belief that’s faith the other is spoken to the flesh and counts for nothing but works against us to produce death and a need for a word made of faith that can be written on a heart because it’s spoken to a heart under this condition
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Moses taught one thing jesus taught another is My point my dear brother often they are contrary
“Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
Matthew 5:33-34, 38-39
What I’m asking you is who most he mediator ofntbeneternal
Covenant ? Jesus or Moses ?
“But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh.
For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:”
Hebrews 12:22-25 KJV
Moses law is what he says we don’t come to
“For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard entreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake”
Hebrews 12:18-21 KJV
thee are two covenants and two
Mediators of those two covenants one is of the earth and one is of heaven . We belong to avid by Christ’s intercession not Moses intercession is the point the law is great for learning but isn’t the law of God after Christ’s death for sins
“And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.”
Hebrews 9:15 KJV
Anyway thatsbsortnofnwhere I’m at dear brother I believe to hear and accept and believe and follow after the gospel , is what will save anyone , and what makes us the free children of God based upon not Moses or the law , but based purely upon faith in Christ built by his words in the everlasting Gospel.
it’s different than the law because it was always meant to be better and would save rather than condemn . Would bring repentance And life rather than condemnation and death for sin
what I’m asking you is. It to explain I’m fighting Against God but answer me why does Jesus say contrary things as to what Moses said . Not the same but clearer but opposite in many points ? Can you acknowlegde that part ? Or am
I fighting God ? By recognizing what Jesus was saying ?
yes he writes his laws on our hearts not Moses law though it’s written this way and only this way
“And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:
Before the cross or after
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
that doesn’t say preach the law and obey Moses it’s the gospel the new covenant 😇 the reason he says repent and believe the gospel is so it can be “ written on our hearts by faith “
🙏
“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
Matthew 5:27-28
one is flesh one is spirit , one is spoken into the heart and needs acceptance and belief that’s faith the other is spoken to the flesh and counts for nothing but works against us to produce death and a need for a word made of faith that can be written on a heart because it’s spoken to a heart under this condition
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Moses taught one thing jesus taught another is My point my dear brother often they are contrary
“Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
Matthew 5:33-34, 38-39
What I’m asking you is who most he mediator ofntbeneternal
Covenant ? Jesus or Moses ?
“But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh.
For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:”
Hebrews 12:22-25 KJV
Moses law is what he says we don’t come to
“For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard entreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake
”Hebrews 12:18-21 KJV
thee are two covenants and two
Mediators of those two covenants one is of the earth and one is of heaven . We belong to avid by Christ’s intercession not Moses intercession is the point the law is great for learning but isn’t the law of God after Christ’s death for sins
“And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.”
Hebrews 9:15 KJV
Anyway thatsbsortnofnwhere I’m at dear brother I believe to hear and accept and believe and follow after the gospel , is what will save anyone , and what makes us the free children of God based upon not Moses or the law , but based purely upon faith in Christ built by his words in the everlasting Gospel.
it’s different than the law because it was always meant to be better and would save rather than condemn . Would bring repentance And life rather than condemnation and death for sin
Yes, it is not God's law to, on his Sabbath day, suddenly be loveless to your own nourishing needs, nor your neighbour's health, nor your animal's life. This strange notion was a man-made, loveless contriving of the Pharisees, who tried to accuse Christ Yeshua of lovelessness, or lawlessness, to their own loveless reputation's further detriment. Here's the full list of God's laws of love (for God, neighbour, self and animal): 613 mitzvot
Matthew 12 (ESV)
1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, "Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath." 3 He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless? 6 I tell you, something greater than the temple is here. 7 And if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath." 9 He went on from there and entered their synagogue. 10 And a man was there with a withered hand. And they asked him, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"—so that they might accuse him. 11 He said to them, "Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." 13 Then he said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." And the man stretched it out, and it was restored, healthy like the other. 14 But the Pharisees went out and conspired against him, how to destroy him.
Matthew 12 (ESV)
1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, "Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath." 3 He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him to eat nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the Law how on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are guiltless? 6 I tell you, something greater than the temple is here. 7 And if you had known what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath." 9 He went on from there and entered their synagogue. 10 And a man was there with a withered hand. And they asked him, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"—so that they might accuse him. 11 He said to them, "Which one of you who has a sheep, if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 Of how much more value is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." 13 Then he said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." And the man stretched it out, and it was restored, healthy like the other. 14 But the Pharisees went out and conspired against him, how to destroy him.
Ok, first and for most thank you for giving a short answer to my question!
If God made the 7th day Sabbath as a shadow of Christ’s rest, why then do you think they would need that in the Garden of Eden “before sin”?Did Adam and Eve hove their own works of righteousness? If that doesn’t make sense I will try to ask another way.
If God made the 7th day Sabbath as a shadow of Christ’s rest, why then do you think they would need that in the Garden of Eden “before sin”?Did Adam and Eve hove their own works of righteousness? If that doesn’t make sense I will try to ask another way.
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