When Jesus 'broke the rules'

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Magenta

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If you love God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, with all your mind, sole and strength, you will keep his commandments of love to Him as well as to your neighbour as yourself. And you will not cause harm to God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit's holy day, the Sabbath.
Jesus is my Sabbath rest. Just as God rested from His works, so we rest from ours in attempting to gain salvation. Somehow this eludes you; you think you can put yourself under the law without being condemned by the law, which you cannot keep perfectly. The Law made nothing perfect. The Law was our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. If righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly. If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Sin shall not be master over me, for I am not under law but under grace.
 

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Jesus is my Sabbath rest. Just as God rested from His works, so we rest from ours in attempting to gain salvation. Somehow this eludes you; you think you can put yourself under the law without being condemned by the law, which you cannot keep perfectly. The Law made nothing perfect. The Law was our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. If righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly. If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Sin shall not be master over me, for I am not under law but under grace.
Children saved by God's grace, in their faith in God the Son, try to be obedient to the commandments, the will of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and repent where they fall short in sin.

To rest all seven days, is being disobedient to God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, commanding us to work for six days.

If you understand Paul, to mean a free pass to unrepentive lawlessness, read your misinterpreted warning from Peter, in 2 Peter 3:14-18.

Revelation 14 (KJV)


12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


John 15 (KJV)


10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.


Deuteronomy 5 (KJV)


12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. 15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.


2 Peter 3 (KJV)


14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
 
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Magenta

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To rest all seven days, is being disobedient to God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, commanding us to work for six days.
You remind me of one who said it was breaking God's commands to worship God every day.

Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believes.

You are welcome to put yourself under the law and therefore be condemned.

It is by grace through faith that I am saved :)
 

BenjaminN

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You remind me of one who said it was breaking God's commands to worship God every day.

Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believes.

You are welcome to put yourself under the law and therefore be condemned.

It is by grace through faith that I am saved :)
Worshipping God everyday we try with all our heart, mind, sole and strength. Sanctifying his Sabbath in rest, on the seventh day is also his command.

Being saved by God's grace, I will repent when sinning, and not keeping the Sabbath as one of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit's commandments, and not try to justify my disobedience.
 

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Worshipping God everyday we try with all our heart, mind, sole and strength. Sanctifying his Sabbath in rest, on the seventh day is also his command.

Being saved by God's grace, I will repent when sinning, and not keeping the Sabbath as one of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit's commandments, and not try to justify my disobedience.
Is this another of your attempts to falsely accuse me?
 

BenjaminN

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Is this another of your attempts to falsely accuse me?
I'm defending myself, who you have under trial, accusing me of not being saved by God's grace, when repenting in obedience when I do not keep God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit's sanctification Sabbath command, which is an applicable command of love for God, to be obeyed by God's saved people, right until the return of Christ Yeshua to earth one day.


Matthew 24 (KJV)


3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 

BenjaminN

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Another of your false accusations.
Ok, so what is this conversation about? If you do not like to sanctify God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit's Sabbath day in rest, leave us saved by God's grace who want to obey, in peace, please?


Revelation 14 (KJV)


12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


Deuteronomy 5 (KJV)

12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. 15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
 

Magenta

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Ok, so what is this conversation about? If you do not like to sanctify God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit's Sabbath day in rest, leave us in peace who do want to, please?
This conversation is about your inability to comprehend what resting in the Lord truly is. The Sabbath day rest was given to the Israelite nation as a shadow of the rest we have by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. I do not recommend anyone putting themselves under the law, and I gave many Scriptures as to why, which you ignore at your peril. I rest in Jesus every day; your accusations again fall flat and show much ignorance. If you lose peace through your discourse with me, perhaps you should take responsibility for your actions and stop responding to me instead of telling me what to do. I am free to respond as I see fit :)
 

BenjaminN

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This conversation is about your inability to comprehend what resting in the Lord truly is. The Sabbath day rest was given to the Israelite nation as a shadow of the rest we have by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. I do not recommend anyone putting themselves under the law, and I gave many Scriptures as to why, which you ignore at your peril. I rest in Jesus every day; your accusations again fall flat and show much ignorance. If you lose peace through your discourse with me, perhaps you should take responsibility for your actions and stop responding to me instead of telling me what to do. I am free to respond as I see fit :)
Thank you for your concern for me. I take note of your understanding of the Sabbath day rest, to be our constant while working, resting in God, because of our salvation of grace in him. Sanctifying the Sabbath for rest without work, solely in God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, by setting that day apart, from doing work done on the other six days, is a different matter to Christ Yeshua, applicable until the return of God the Son, as Christ Yeshua warned, that we should pray, that our specific seventh day's Sabbath rest be not disturbed, when we need to flee before Christ Yeshua's next and final coming, from the false messiah, at the start of the great tribulation.


Matthew 24 (KJV)


20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
 

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Thank you for your concern for me. I take note of your understanding of the Sabbath day rest, to be our constant while working, resting in God, because of our salvation of grace in him. Sanctifying the Sabbath for rest without work, solely in God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, by setting that day apart, from doing work done on the other six days, is a different matter to Christ Yeshua, applicable until the return of God the Son, as Christ Yeshua warned, that we should pray, that our specific seventh day's Sabbath rest be not disturbed, when we need to flee before Christ Yeshua's next and final coming, from the false messiah, at the start of the great tribulation.

Matthew 24 (KJV)

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Yes, the Israelites could not do (much of) anything on the Sabbath, for they had set such a great and ridiculous hedge around what constituted the Sabbath, that they accused even the Lord of the Sabbath of breaking the Sabbath, and sought to kill Him because of it.

Whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. Hebrews 4:10
 

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Yes, the Israelites could not do (much of) anything on the Sabbath, for they had set such a great and ridiculous hedge around what constituted the Sabbath, that they accused even the Lord of the Sabbath of breaking the Sabbath, and sought to kill Him because of it.

Whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. Hebrews 4:10
Matthew 24 (KJV)

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:


Revelation 14 (KJV)


12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


Romans 11 (KJV)


17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;


Ephesians 2 (KJV)


12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.


Ephesians 3 (KJV)


6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
 

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Matthew 24 (KJV)

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Revelation 14 (KJV)


12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Romans 11 (KJV)

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Ephesians 2 (KJV)

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Ephesians 3 (KJV)

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
What are these meant to show? The promise of God is believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.

 

BenjaminN

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What are these meant to show? The promise of God is believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.

Being saved by God's grace, brings us to obedience to God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit's commands, and our repentance bringing forgiveness of our sins, for where we did not obey. Love for God, by sanctifying his Sabbath day, has relevance for us, even until the next and final return of God the Son, Christ Yeshua, to this earth.

Matthew 24 (KJV)

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:


Revelation 14 (KJV)

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


Deuteronomy 5 (KJV)


12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. 15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
 

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John 3 (KJV)

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


Deuteronomy 5 (KJV)

12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. 15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
 

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Again he entered the synagogue, and a man was there who had a withered hand. They watched him to see whether he would cure him on the sabbath, so that they might accuse him. And he said to the man who had the withered hand, “Come forward.” Then he said to them, “Is it lawful to do good or to do harm on the sabbath, to save life or to kill?” But they were silent. He looked around at them with anger; he was grieved at their hardness of heart and said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was restored. The Pharisees went out and immediately conspired with the Herodians against him, how to destroy him. (Mark 3:1–6)

oh no. on the Sabbath. the key to understanding this passage without taking sides with the Pharisees, is to understand the reason for the law given to Moses to give to the Israelites. reading the passage above today (read the whole chapter even better) we say we see the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, but what about those who insist Jesus was sinless and never broke any portion of the law?

perhaps the answer lies in priorities. or perhaps in a person's desire to be 'sinless' so as not be under condemnation

so why then, did Jesus heal on the Sabbath when God said to set that day apart right in the Decalogue (10 commandments) and do no work on that day ?
The explanation is obvious. Jesus Christ did not truly break God's law, yet the pharisees misjudged him (by the way, "rules" are not laws as they're made by people not God and can always be broken, except perhaps by kids in training, so I'd refrain from using the word "rules"). God only asks us to do our best to follow his commandments, but no more, especially that God can see truth more clearly than us and knows of things before they happen, so he only wants our own good with obedience. Healing someone on the Sabbath was a good deed not work since it didn't involve a payment or earning a living. As such, it doesn’t count as breaking the Sabbath law. The pharisees were misjudging Jesus Christ who kept trying to make them understand that he was sent by God as a blessing for their own good, thus a higher authority than all of them on what's right from wrong. But sadly, that was lost on them since they were too thick, hateful, and proud to accept it, let alone not having true faith in God, yet attachment to worldly living and ideas of God.

Godspeed.