Actually, that is not what I was trying to say. A good lawyer gets his facts straight. 
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What must I do to be saved
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Ralph will never learn
It looks like what they're saying is "once regenerated, always regenerated", and those who stop believing and fall away from the faith, or don't produce fruits of the kingdom, were never really regenerated in the first place. This is done IMO to protect the belief that salvation is by spiritual nature rather than by obedience to the faith.
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In your Post #472, you inferred that I "want to go on record that it could have been the devil who sowed the seed in the 4th type of soil".
I never stated that.
I never inferred that.
All I did was tell you the sower is not identified in the parable of the soils.
The parable of the soils appears in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke. Neither Matthew, nor Mark, nor Luke said the sower was God.
You agree that the sower is not identified in your Post #474 and then in the next breath you stated "God is doing the sowing here".
You need to stop telling people what they are saying and listen to the point where you HEAR.
And you might even want to do that in your approach to Scripture.
I never stated that.
I never inferred that.
All I did was tell you the sower is not identified in the parable of the soils.
The parable of the soils appears in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke. Neither Matthew, nor Mark, nor Luke said the sower was God.
You agree that the sower is not identified in your Post #474 and then in the next breath you stated "God is doing the sowing here".
You need to stop telling people what they are saying and listen to the point where you HEAR.
And you might even want to do that in your approach to Scripture.
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Context shows us he does not mean 'no root whatsoever' and 'no moisture whatsoever'. The word of God is growing in that soil. It can't do that if it literally has 'no' root and 'no' moisture. Obviously, he's saying it has little root and little moisture. I really didn't expect you to start acting like some other actors in this forum. I'm deeply disappointed in you. You're not the honest, reasonable person I thought you were. You're going into unreasonable defense mode like some other unnameable persons in this forum.
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I already did, but apparently you were not listening.
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You need to be honest then and admit God does NOT save everyone who calls on him. If you have rocky soil, or soil in which the worries of this life exist, God will not 'really' save you. You will just think he did.
The Parable is not about salvation. It's about fruitfulness. Believers can be saved in #2, #3, or #4 soil. The point is, they may not endure in their believing and be fruitful unless they mature to a #4 type soil. We don't start out in soil #4 maturity or else we're not 'really' saved. We grow up into it. That's the point. If we had to start out there to be saved NONE of us is saved. Not even you, dan.
The Parable is not about salvation. It's about fruitfulness. Believers can be saved in #2, #3, or #4 soil. The point is, they may not endure in their believing and be fruitful unless they mature to a #4 type soil. We don't start out in soil #4 maturity or else we're not 'really' saved. We grow up into it. That's the point. If we had to start out there to be saved NONE of us is saved. Not even you, dan.
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Once again, in Romans 8:30, we read - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event in order to stress it's certainty.
*Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event in order to stress it's certainty.
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You're being unnecessarily contentious. Whether it be through this person or that, when the good word is sown it is God doing the sowing. And I brought it up to defuse mailman's use of Jesus' statement about plants being pulled up to somehow show that soil#2 is unsaved soil. You really don't need to defend yourself here. It's not about you.
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What's particularly sad about this doctrine is you can never know if you're saved until you die and you see what side of the great chasm you are on because the testing to see if you'll fail and show yourself to not really be a believer doesn't end until you leave the body.
If only they knew even Calvin (from whom 'once saved always saved' came into the church) said there is no way to know if you are saved or not in this life. And that's supposed to be the doctrine of security and assurance. Really, people?
In the Bible, if you have believed and are continuing to believe you are secure in salvation and no one can move you. End of discussion. It's so simple it goes right over the head of these over-thought, carnal reasonings of man. But that is what the Bible says the truth will do. It will evade the wise man of the world in all his learning and wisdom.
If only they knew even Calvin (from whom 'once saved always saved' came into the church) said there is no way to know if you are saved or not in this life. And that's supposed to be the doctrine of security and assurance. Really, people?
In the Bible, if you have believed and are continuing to believe you are secure in salvation and no one can move you. End of discussion. It's so simple it goes right over the head of these over-thought, carnal reasonings of man. But that is what the Bible says the truth will do. It will evade the wise man of the world in all his learning and wisdom.
Loaded question.
Someone pointing out your contradictory statements is "contentious"?
God gives the increase to what is sown. The parable of the tares does not indicate who is the sower.
I know you want the sower to be God because you keep insisting that the sower is God. However, Scripture is silent as to the identity of the sower. Matthew, Mark, Luke, holy men who were moved by the Holy Spirit, did not identify the sower in the record.
Someone pointing out your contradictory statements is "contentious"?
God gives the increase to what is sown. The parable of the tares does not indicate who is the sower.
I know you want the sower to be God because you keep insisting that the sower is God. However, Scripture is silent as to the identity of the sower. Matthew, Mark, Luke, holy men who were moved by the Holy Spirit, did not identify the sower in the record.