What is a Judaizer?

[3rdAngel]

I would offer its not so much they are trying to get other to loses faith .They have none that alone comes from hearing God (all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) Their what they call faith (walking by sight) is based on what the eyes see. Just as in the fall of mankind law of the fathers (plural ) after the father of lies... Not the law of our one father in heaven . It their false zeal for knowing God it simply makes the word of God without effect .

No man can serve two teaching masters in that way. Its either the things of men seen,( fathers) the temporal. Or the things of God our one father not seen the eternal. No limbo . or Mr. in between

There is a fork in the road. Which master will we serve? left or right? Up inspired from heaven or down earthly inspired of the devil?.

So garee you beleive these people that others call Judaizers do not have any faith in God's word? Thanks for sharing your view. It certainly seems that many have different reasons for using the term for sure.

 

[3rdAngel]

Ok have to return to normal life things. Please forgive me for being so slow in my responses. I will try and catch up more latter (made it to the top of page 2 yay ). I will try and catch up more latter. Thanks everyone for sharing your views. Talk soon.

God bless

 

[Nehemiah6]

Hi Nehemiah6 so are you saying that you use the term Judaizer to someone that believes they are saved by keeping God's law? Do some people here beleive they are saved by keeping the law of God?

While the term *Judaizer* is not a Bible word, the meaning is perfectly clear in the letter to the Galatians. And some people today do indeed believe that the works of the Law (including circumcision and the feasts, festivals, holy days, new moons, and sabbaths) are necessary for salvation (along with faith in Christ, but in some cases without faith in Christ). But let's see what Paul had to day:

GALATIANS 6
12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

 

[Sipsey]

Hi there Sipsey nice to meet you here

What I found interesting in your post is Galatians 2:14 and the surrounding texts when viewed in the Greek. The Greek word for "Jew" is used 3 times and all english translated words used for JEW have different meanings. It is the very last one in this verse that has reference to Judaize G2450. I think when adding the context of the reading from Galatians 2:11-21 it is saying that those who Judaize is in reference to those who try and seek their salvation by what they do as opposed to faith.

Do people here believe they are saved by what they do here and not by faith?

Something I also found interesting

Judaize
/ˈdʒuːdeɪʌɪz/

verb
verb: Judaize; 3rd person present: Judaizes; past tense: Judaized; past participle: Judaized; gerund or present participle: Judaizing; verb: Judaise; 3rd person present: Judaises; past tense: Judaised; past participle: Judaised; gerund or present participle: Judaising

1. make Jewish; convert to Judaism.
   "their cultures were gradually Judaized"​
   
   
   • follow Jewish customs or religious rites.
     "the ‘conversos’ were engaged in Judaizing"​

Origin
late 16th century: from Christian Latin judaizare, from Greek ioudaizein, from Ioudaios

It ties in with what I have found earlier that it is a term used by Catholacism when persecuting those that did not believe the same as them.

Thanks for sharing. I learn't something from Galatians and how it is translated and when it was translated into english.

blessings

Nice to make your acquaintance! You seem to already have it figured out.
Here is another summation that affirms your thoughts on grace or grace +.


Question: "Who were the Judaizers?"

Answer: There have always been those who balk at the idea of God’s salvation being offered freely to those who believe. They reason that such a grand gift as forgiveness from such a holy God must require some kind of payment from us. We thank God for His grace, but we understand that He expects us to somehow earn that grace—in other words, there must be something that we can do to pay off the debt we owe to God.

In the early church, those who taught a combination of God’s grace and human effort were called “Judaizers.” The word Judaizer comes from a Greek verb meaning “to live according to Jewish customs.” The word appears in Galatians 2:14 where Paul describes how he confronted Peter for forcing Gentile Christians to “Judaize.”

A Judaizer taught that, in order for a Christian to truly be right with God, he must conform to the Mosaic Law. Circumcision, especially, was promoted as necessary for salvation. Gentiles had to become Jewish proselytes first, and then they could come to Christ. The doctrine of the Judaizers was a mixture of grace (through Christ) and works (through the keeping of the Law). This false doctrine was dealt with in Acts 15 and strongly condemned in the book of Galatians.

At the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15, a group of Judaizers opposed Paul and Barnabas. Some men who belonged to the party of the Pharisees insisted that Gentiles could not be saved unless they were first circumcised and obeyed the Law of Moses. Paul made the case that, in Christ, there was no longer any distinction between Jew and Gentile, for God had purified the hearts of the Gentiles by faith (Acts 15:8–9). He said it plainly in Galatians 2:16: “A man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.”

To add anything to the work that Christ did for salvation is to negate God’s grace. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, not by returning to the Law. “I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing” (Galatians 2:21).

There are many groups today with beliefs/practices very similar to those of the Judaizers of the New Testament. The two most prominent would be the Hebrew Roots Movement and the Roman Catholic Church. The teachings of the Hebrew Roots Movement are virtually identical to those of the Judaizers whom Paul rebuked in Galatians. A primary focus of the Hebrew Roots Movement is to put followers of Christ back under the bondage of the Old Testament Law.

The Roman Catholic Church teaches a doctrine similar to that of the Judaizers of the New Testament in this way: its doctrine is a mixture of law and grace. At the Council of Trent in the 16th century, the Catholic Church explicitly denied the idea of salvation by faith alone. Catholics have always held that certain sacraments are necessary for salvation. The issues for the 1st-century Judaizers were circumcision and Sabbath-keeping. The issues for modern-day Catholics are baptism, confession, etc. The works considered necessary may have changed, but both Judaizers and Catholics attempt to merit God’s grace through the performance of ritualistic acts.

First Timothy 4:3 says that, in later times, false teachers will “forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.” This sounds suspiciously close to some of the teachings of Roman Catholicism, which requires priests to be celibate (“forbidding to marry”) and proclaims some food to be off-limits during Lent (“abstaining from certain foods”).The Judaizers upheld the Mosaic Law as necessary for salvation; Catholics uphold man-made tradition as necessary; both view Christ’s death as being insufficient without the active and continued cooperation of the one being saved.

The Bible is clear that the attempt to add human works to God’s grace overlooks the very meaning of grace, which is “undeserved blessing.” As Paul says, “If by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace” (Romans 11:6). Praise the Lord, “Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery” (Galatians 5:1).

 

[Nehemiah6]

The word appears in Galatians 2:14 where Paul describes how he confronted Peter for forcing Gentile Christians to “Judaize.”

This is correct. The Greek word used here is ἰουδαΐζειν (ioudaizein) which has been translated as "to live like (as do the) Jews". The real issue was whether salvation was by grace through faith, or whether it was combination of faith and works of righteousness according the the Torah. Today we have quite a few groups who call themselves Christians but insist that water baptism is essential for salvation. That almost falls into the same category.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

This is correct. The Greek word used here is ἰουδαΐζειν (ioudaizein) which has been translated as "to live like (as do the) Jews". The real issue was whether salvation was by grace through faith, or whether it was combination of faith and works of righteousness according the the Torah. Today we have quite a few groups who call themselves Christians but insist that water baptism is essential for salvation. That almost falls into the same category.

Obedience to Christ. Why is water baptism singled out as something we can ignore in faith, when of all the
things Jesus asked us to do, this is one of them? Obedience unto righteousness.

If one cannot go beyond disdain and ones own understanding or theological constructs, does one know God
and is prepared to humble oneself to His ways?

Take the prophet who was warned not to eat while going to deliver Gods message or returning from it.
It was a small thing. Why should such a small thing cost his life?
He was deceived into breaking this commitment and died. Was God unjust and wrong, because it was
such a small thing?

The Lord is King. But is He really if so easily one will go against His word, sin.

 

[Adstar]

Hi Adstar, thanks for your view. We are certainly not saved by keeping the law! We are saved by grace through faith as a gift of God. I have not met anyone though to be honest that beleive they are saved by anything that they do. Maybe I have not met enough people that believe this way. Thankyou

Blessings

I have met and debated many who believe that after one is saved one ""MUST Stop Sinning"" They interpret the word ""Repent"" as ""ceasing to sin"" .. So they add their, Work sin avoidance, as the works they do to maintain their salvation status..

We often get people coming in here preaching sinlessness in the flesh dogma.. Stating that through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit people are given the ability to cease sinning.. Thus they believe you will become sinless in your life and woe to anyone who sins after being saved. Because they believe that is a sign that you are not really saved and the Holy Spirit is not with you..

 

[garee]

So garee you beleive these people that others call Judaizers do not have any faith in God's word? Thanks for sharing your view. It certainly seems that many have different reasons for using the term for sure.

All men are born without it (faith) the one reason. Not little none. It is how the word faith is used throughout .Not of our own self the imagination of ones fleshly mind. But generated by Christ the working of His Spirit in us.. If any man has not the faith of Christ than neither do they belong to Him.

Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

It does not mean they (no faith) as to a exclusive faith that comes from all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) In the end do not use the Bible but they do make its authority to teach to no effect and they see no evil in making the oral tradition as a law of the fathers. . . "the master teacher" according to their Rabbis. They would deceive other that Jewish flesh could profit even though the Son of man, Jesus in respect to his own flesh said . . . . it could never.


As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil Jerimiah 44:

Above represents "unbelief" in mankind no salvation

 

[garee]

While the term *Judaizer* is not a Bible word, the meaning is perfectly clear in the letter to the Galatians. And some people today do indeed believe that the works of the Law (including circumcision and the feasts, festivals, holy days, new moons, and sabbaths) are necessary for salvation (along with faith in Christ, but in some cases without faith in Christ). But let's see what Paul had to day:

GALATIANS 6
12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

I would add... *Judaizer* is found under the phrase "law of the fathers' They usurp the law of our one Father in heaven. . . making His work of faith that he works in us to both will and perform his good pleasure.. . . making it without effect.

 

[Marcelo]

Hi Marcelo, thanks for your view. I am happy to hear both side and what everyone thinks but more so why people use that term.

blessings

Hi, 3rdAngel, I think Paul was the first to use the verb JUDAIZE. My question would be, why do Judaizers judaize in the first place? Could it be they think salvation by grace is too easy? No, salvation is not easy as they may think. Salvation is a free gift, but without holiness no one will be saved.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Obedience to Christ. Why is water baptism singled out as something we can ignore in faith, when of all the
things Jesus asked us to do, this is one of them? Obedience unto righteousness.

We are not to ignore water baptism at all. Indeed it is Christ's command to every believer. And indeed it should ideally follow immediately upon conversion.

But we are not to make it essential for salvation either. That is similar to making physical circumcision essential for salvation. Both are unbiblical ideas.

 

[Deade]

We are not to ignore water baptism at all. Indeed it is Christ's command to every believer. And indeed it should ideally follow immediately upon conversion.

But we are not to make it essential for salvation either. That is similar to making physical circumcision essential for salvation. Both are unbiblical ideas.

Why is it similar to physical circumcision? Did someone say that? Why does it matter if it is required or not? Why not just do it and not correlate anything to it?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Why is it similar to physical circumcision? Did someone say that? Why does it matter if it is required or not? Why not just do it and not correlate anything to it? View attachment 202312

Did you read my post carefully? Please read it again and understand what is being said.

 

[3rdAngel]

Exactly, looks like a bait --n switch type of thread to me.

Hi tourist thanks for your thoughts. Bait and switch? Your meaning here is? I have an idea on what you mean but what do you think this topic would be switching to? I am just wondering why people are using a Catholic term invented as an english word applied in the 16th centuary to persecute those that did not believe the same as Catholacism taught.

 

[3rdAngel]

Is anyonehere saying Jesus said He was making the law obsolet? Why then does He teach anyone teaching against the least of the laws will be least in heaven.

Have all learnded how the law is to be approached under grace? If they did they would know that any law which builds to make the two great laws of Love is in effect.

Sorry but it is the vail of Moses prevailing in those who calim to believe Jesus yet say He has abolished the law…….Yes, He has completed the majority of the 611 leaving only those which go to fulfill the laws of Love...God is Love....do not say Jesus teaches against the law if yo do not understand what He teaches,, and He teaches the same to all, the Jew first and then the Greek (Gentile.). God bless all who believe Jesus, and all who will come to believe Him, amen.

Hi Jaumej thanks for sharing your thoughts here. I am not sure but is anyone here saying God's moral laws are obsolete are they? God's moral laws are the standard of rightouesness. Of course they are not obsolete in my view as they give us the knowledge of what sin is when we brake them. Jesus did not fulfill them so we do not have to. He fulfilled them as our example so that through as we have faith to walk in God's Spirit we might follow him.

 

[3rdAngel]

Amen! Here is a statement below in blue that was made by a former member of Christian Chat (who was banned) and is a good example of a Judaizer who happens to be a Seventh Day Adventist.

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

This SDA Judaizer teaches salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." More than a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)

Hi mailmandan, it sounds like really do not like SDA's. For me I do not see what the problem is personally with the statement you have provided. Can you separate Gods law from the Gospel when it is the law of God the gives us the knowledge of what sin is and leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith? Just my thoughts but thankyou for sharing yours.

 

[3rdAngel]

Saturday? That is the day dedicated to saturn I believe. This would not be included in anything Biblical, not even the calendar.

Actually there is some truth in this in that the naming of days according to God's time is day 1, day 2.... preparation (day 6) and sabbath (day 7). Sunday to Saturday is a pagan naming convention for the days of the week.

 

[3rdAngel]

Judaizer

1. They write words like G_D. - YHWH - give god and people their hebrew names
2. They can not seperate the law from grace - they claim we have to keep the law plus have faith
3. They HATE grace through faith alone
4. Avid belief in sabbath and tithing.

Of course many groups believe in some of these. But you can a judaizer by how they talk abot how they use hebrew words

Hi eternally, so in your view someone that uses the term for God as G_D. - YHWH are Judaizers? I have always wondered why people post as G_D? Why do they do this do you know? I do not. Anyhow does not law lead to grace? How can we have a saviour if we do not know we are sinners or what sin is? Thanks for sharing your thoughts

Blessings

 

[3rdAngel]

Ok friends, time for me to go back and do some real life things will post some more latter. Made it to the top of page 3 now! Thanks for the nice discussion here and to make new friends with you all

God bless

 

[tourist]

Hi tourist thanks for your thoughts. Bait and switch? Your meaning here is? I have an idea on what you mean but what do you think this topic would be switching to? I am just wondering why people are using a Catholic term invented as an english word applied in the 16th centuary to persecute those that did not believe the same as Catholacism taught.

What Catholic term are you referring too. I'm always a little leery when the OP asks a question but does not offer any input of their own. In your OP you said that you had your own thoughts on the topic but wanted others to share their thoughts. Usually, in these types of situations the whole intent of the thread is to only stir up strife and dissention. After you have been a member awhile you will notice this too. Hopefully, we are now good here.