What is a Judaizer?

[tourist]

"I do have my own thoughts but..."

If you have your own thoughts on this already,
why don't you start by sharing them.

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Exactly, looks like a bait --n switch type of thread to me.

 

[tourist]

I have made my point. They are enemies of the Cross; their end is destruction!

Does this make them judyizers?

 

[JaumeJ]

Is anyonehere saying Jesus said He was making the law obsolet? Why then does He teach anyone teaching against the least of the laws will be least in heaven.

Have all learnded how the law is to be approached under grace? If they did they would know that any law which builds to make the two great laws of Love is in effect.

Sorry but it is the vail of Moses prevailing in those who calim to believe Jesus yet say He has abolished the law…….Yes, He has completed the majority of the 611 leaving only those which go to fulfill the laws of Love...God is Love....do not say Jesus teaches against the law if yo do not understand what He teaches,, and He teaches the same to all, the Jew first and then the Greek (Gentile.). God bless all who believe Jesus, and all who will come to believe Him, amen.

 

[mailmandan]

Right to the root and it is false....

Judaizers are Christians (SO CALLED) who teach it is necessary to adopt Jewish customs and practices, especially those found in the Law of Moses, to be saved.

Amen! Here is a statement below in blue that was made by a former member of Christian Chat (who was banned) and is a good example of a Judaizer who happens to be a Seventh Day Adventist.

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

This SDA Judaizer teaches salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." More than a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)

 

[Smooth]

Every time I see the title of this thread I imagine an energizer battery that doesn’t work on Saturdays. 🤷‍♂️

 

[mailmandan]

Every time I see the title of this thread I imagine an energizer battery that doesn’t work on Saturdays. 🤷‍♂️

LOL! Did you realize that Seventh-day Adventists teach the ludicrous doctrine that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. - http://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml

 

[JaumeJ]

Saturday? That is the day dedicated to saturn I believe. This would not be included in anything Biblical, not even the calendar.

 

[Smooth]

LOL! Did you realize that Seventh-day Adventists teach the ludicrous doctrine that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. - http://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml

That is beyond pathetic. What a slap in the face to God, Creator of all creations, including space and time. And not for nothing, but 1:00 PM EST is already a different day in the Orient. There goes that theory.

 

[3rdAngel]

If your desire is to learn more about Judaizers you've come to right forum. Here you'll have the opportunity to interact with many of them.

Hi Marcelo, thanks for your view. I am happy to hear both side and what everyone thinks but more so why people use that term.

blessings

 

[3rdAngel]

FYI, 3rdAngel, the post quoted above has nothing at all to do with your question. Feel free to ignore it as irrelevant.

Hi Dino, thanks for the advice and nice to meet you. I am happy though to hear everyones view although it does not mean I agree with everyone of course.

blessings

 

[3rdAngel]

I have made my point. They are enemies of the Cross; their end is destruction!

Hi MOTC, I am still not sure who you are referring to in relation to what you believe a Judaizer is and who you are referring to or what group did you want to define what a judaizer is in your view and what group you are referring to that does not have salvation? I believe God knows our heart and who are his children. I see God's children as being everywhere. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us and your view

 

[3rdAngel]

The focus is on how the phrase; law of the fathers (multiple) is used

Catholicism is a branch of Pharisees along with Sadaucesss. Two sects that put aside there difference as a law of the fathers . Oral traditions of men as commandments of unconverted men that walk by sight as if the kingdom of God did come by observation rather than a faith that comes by hearing God exclusively as in all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

Catholicism continued a law of the father just as used with the Pharisees with Sadaucesss denominations. a Different father used to establish their false seal for God. We know they were walking by sight because the High priest offered in writing a special promise to kill the misperceived competition as in out of sight out of mind

Because they had no faith coming from all things written in the law and the prophets they persecuted the belivers. When saukl joined the Nazarene sect they were after his flesh and bones. . . thinking killing the messenger kills the message. When they tried to prove sola scriptura was heresy and their law was law they could not. Rather than serving a law of the fathers directed to our father in heaven founded on the flesh of Abraham passed down from one generation to the next venerating a form of worship Paul worship the God of our fathers . Not the fathers as God.

The law of the fathers

Acts 22 King James Version (KJV) Men, brethren, and fathers, hear ye my defence which I make now unto you. (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,) am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women. As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.

They followed after another written law , the oral traditions of men. . . again a law of the fathers

The Law of our Father (one)

For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law. Acts 24 :5-6

Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:Acts 24:13 -14

They worshipped the fathers as if they were in the place of God the unthinkable..having fathers in replacement with our Father in heaven rather than serving our father in heaven they served the fathers of lies on earth .a murderer from the begining working through a law of the fathers

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Or And think not to say within yourselves, We have Peter to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Peter . lively stones that make up the spiritual unsen house, the church

Its the same spirit of Judizers today. No faith coming from all things written in the law and the prophets... the nemesis .

Thanks garee for sharing all this with us. So in your view you believe there are people in this thread that do not believe they are saved by faith alone in God's word and are unconverted or that the term refers to Catholacism? I am a little confused here though as I thought this was a word or term that is not in the bible and it was invested and used within Catholacism as a reference to those who did not believe in the teachings of the Catholic Church? Thankyou for sharing your view. It is good to see what others think.

Blessings

 

[3rdAngel]

The term used in Scripture is "false brethren" (Gal 2:4).

And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage.

If you wish to have a proper understand of Judaizers, please study Paul's epistle to the Galatians. Sabbatarians are an offshoot of this group also.

Goodness, I am so many posts behind .

Hi Nehemiah6 so are you saying that you use the term Judaizer to someone that believes they are saved by keeping God's law? Do some people here beleive they are saved by keeping the law of God? I cannot find the term Judaizer in the scriptures though. I think it is a word used much latter.

blessings brother

 

[tourist]

Every time I see the title of this thread I imagine an energizer battery that doesn’t work on Saturdays. 🤷‍♂️

Perhaps this is the day that the battery recharges.

 

[3rdAngel]

A Judaizer taught that, in order for a Christian to truly be right with God, he must conform to the Mosaic Law. Circumcision, especially, was promoted as necessary for salvation. Gentiles had to become Jewish proselytes first, and then they could come to Christ. The doctrine of the Judaizers was a mixture of grace (through Christ) and works (through the keeping of the Law). This false doctrine was dealt with in Acts 15 and strongly condemned in the book of Galatians. More here.

Well here is my music buddy . Hi Mag!! So in your view you believe that a Judaizer is someone that beleives in circumcision for salvation? Nice to see you again Mag.

Blessings

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Judaizer

1. They write words like G_D. - YHWH - give god and people their hebrew names
2. They can not seperate the law from grace - they claim we have to keep the law plus have faith
3. They HATE grace through faith alone
4. Avid belief in sabbath and tithing.

Of course many groups believe in some of these. But you can a judaizer by how they talk abot how they use hebrew words

 

[3rdAngel]

From a dictionary I sometimes use:
JUDAIZING. In the ancient sources, the noun “Judaizer” and the verb “to Judaize” refer primarily to the actions of gentiles. While the verb can be used to designate the forced conversion of gentiles to Judaism, it normally refers to the taking over of Jewish customs by gentiles without conversion. Gaston argues that those who encourage others “to Judaize” may be either Jews, Christian Jews, or Gentiles and for the sake of terminological precision should never be referred to specifically as “Judaizers”(1986: 35–36).

The Greek verb “to Judaize” is found only in the NT in Gal 2:14. In this text, Paul confronts Cephas: “If you, though a Jew, live as a Gentile and not as a Jew, how can you compel the Gentiles to live as Jews?” The clear implication is that gentiles are being compelled to live according to Jewish customs. Moreover, Paul argues in Galatians that for gentiles to be required to assume the obligations of the Mosaic law threatens the integrity of the gospel. At issue for Paul is the manner in which gentiles lay claim to righteousness. The controversy in Galatians is not with Judaism as such but with those who argue that the gentiles must be circumcised and assume the obligations of the Mosaic law (Sandmel 1979: 112; see also Betz Galatians Hermeneia).

Outside of the NT, Esther 8:17 (LXX) recounts that many gentiles declared themselves to be Jews because they feared the Jews. Plutarch (Cic. 7:6) also states that a freed slave named Caecilius was said to be given to Jewish practices. Josephus tells of a certain Metilus who spared his life by promising to become a Jew, even to the point of circumcision (JW 2.17.10). He also writes of a time in Syria when the Syrians thought “they had rid themselves of the Jews, still each city had its Judaizers, who aroused suspicion”(JW 2.18.2). Ignatius denounces those who are Christians and yet live according to Judaism (Magn. 8:1). In their case, they have not received grace. Moreover, according to Ignatius, it is “monstrous” to speak of Christ and to practice Judaism (Magn. 10:3). What Ignatius means by the term “Judaism” is a matter of debate (Gaston 1986: 36–38), but that there is some connection between the condemned practice and Judaism is evident. In the Acts of Pilate 2:1, we read that Pilate’s wife feared God and favored the customs of the Jews. Finally, in Canon 29 of the Council of Laodicea, those who “Judaize” are strongly condemned (Mansi 1759: cols. 563–604, Canon 29).

These sources indicate that either because of fear or genuine attraction there were those who embraced Jewish practices. This also suggestes that Judaism was a dynamic religious phenomenon. Moreover, the authors of these writings were apparently compelled to acknowledge the tendency “to Judaize.” The respective authors’ motives in mentioning “Judaizers” may not always be evident, but that does not refute the clear indication that there were non-Jews who embraced Jewish customs.

Hi there Sipsey nice to meet you here

What I found interesting in your post is Galatians 2:14 and the surrounding texts when viewed in the Greek. The Greek word for "Jew" is used 3 times and all english translated words used for JEW have different meanings. It is the very last one in this verse that has reference to Judaize G2450. I think when adding the context of the reading from Galatians 2:11-21 it is saying that those who Judaize is in reference to those who try and seek their salvation by what they do as opposed to faith.

Do people here believe they are saved by what they do here and not by faith?

Something I also found interesting

Judaize
/ˈdʒuːdeɪʌɪz/

verb
verb: Judaize; 3rd person present: Judaizes; past tense: Judaized; past participle: Judaized; gerund or present participle: Judaizing; verb: Judaise; 3rd person present: Judaises; past tense: Judaised; past participle: Judaised; gerund or present participle: Judaising

1. make Jewish; convert to Judaism.
   "their cultures were gradually Judaized"​
   • follow Jewish customs or religious rites.
     "the ‘conversos’ were engaged in Judaizing"​
   
   

Origin
late 16th century: from Christian Latin judaizare, from Greek ioudaizein, from Ioudaios

It ties in with what I have found earlier that it is a term used by Catholacism when persecuting those that did not believe the same as them.

Thanks for sharing. I learn't something from Galatians and how it is translated and when it was translated into english.

blessings

 

[3rdAngel]

FYI... MessageOfTheCross puts "JSM" at the end of many of his posts because he is usually quoting from Jimmy Swaggart Ministries.

Hi Dino, thanks for that. My bad. Sorry to MessageOfTheCross for calling you JSM. I thought when you signed off your post that was your name. My apologies. Thanks for letting me know Dino.

 

[3rdAngel]

A number of members believe anyone who believes in working faith is a judaizer, which in their view is any form
of righteousness put as an essential of faith.

The term Paul means it, is people who insist we have to be Jews first and christians second.
No protestants would be judaizers, but some love insulting phrases that wind up their opponents, who they
begin to hate and loath, everything they write or share, good or bad. This is ironic as part of our faith is
loving all and understanding the origins of peoples positions.

But those you use such labels are attempting to dehumanise others and make them appear evil just by their
presence and not their positions alone. And unless it is pointed out and exposed for what it is, it creates this
atmosphere. I would say such terms have no place on these forums especially not considering who is being
claimed to be a judaizer and what the actual argument is.

The core of the argument is lawlessness verses the law of Christ and walking in obedience to Jesus.
So to understand the interplay one has to understand the players and the tactics.

You may suggest this is not christian behaviour, and I would agree, as it is not truthful, honest or loving.
But then assumptions about where people are easy to make, but by their fruit you will know them.
God bless you

Hello FollowHisSteps nice name . How do you define working faith? So you believe that the term Judaizer is used as an insulting term used by some here that do not believe the same as those who have a working faith. As Chrstians I do not believe we should be insulting others that do not agree with us but seeking to understand them and to help them by pointing them to the scriptures. After all it is only in God's word that we find Jesus. From what I can see I do believe as you have stated that we should not seek to personally insult people. It is true by their fruits we shall know them. Thank you I enjoyed reading your post

Blessings

 

[3rdAngel]

To me the term judaizer means a person who seeks to cause people to lose faith in the atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ and to cause the same to believe eternity with God is attained by doing the LAW.. They seek to move people so they are not under grace but under the bondage of the LAW..

I never use the Word judaizer myself.. I simply use the description ""Works salvation believer"" We have a few of them in this forum..

Hi Adstar, thanks for your view. We are certainly not saved by keeping the law! We are saved by grace through faith as a gift of God. I have not met anyone though to be honest that beleive they are saved by anything that they do. Maybe I have not met enough people that believe this way. Thankyou

Blessings