Water Baptism-What Does God's Word Say?

[djdearing]

The Prophet John the Baptist and His message:

Prior to John’s conception, which was miraculous in itself, an angel told his father Zacharias that his son would be:

Great in the sight of the Lord.
He would turn the Jews to the Lord their God.
He would make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;” Luke 1:67-69


John’s name was of utmost importance it spoke of a wonderful truth:

An angel told his father his son’s name would be John.

Due to his unbelief in the angel’s message he was struck dumb and was unable to speak until the day his son was circumcised.

When they came to circumcise baby John they called his name Zacharias, meaning the Lord has remembered, but his mother intervened and said not so, his name is John. Those present thought it odd because they had no family members with the name John. Normally babies were named after a family member. They questioned Zacharias and he wrote “His name is John,” on a tablet. Immediately Zacharias’ tongue was loosed.

The name John means God graciously gives. Ask yourself what God-given message was professed by John the Baptist; faith in the coming messiah, Jesus Christ and water baptism.

Consider, also, the following words spoken to Zacharias about his son:

“And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;

To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.´ Luke 1:76-79


John begins preaching about the coming messiah who will take away the sins of the world and water baptism for remission of those sins:

The Word of God came unto John the Baptist while he was in the wilderness. Notice John’s message was preached to those in the wilderness. The wilderness symbolizes the natural world wherein is spiritual darkness. Luke 3:2

John began preaching the need for water baptism for the remission of sin. (1st time remission of sin connected to water baptism) Luke 3:3 One sees the continuation of the message that sins are remitted in water baptism in Acts 2:38.

After Jesus secured salvation through His death, burial, and resurrection, all of mankind must step out in faith and get water baptized into the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins.

John 1:31
And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

Water baptism is intimately associated with Israel. Paul's epistles to the church do not include one single verse or instruction to ensure all converts are water baptized.

 

[Blik]

A symbol never saves, it is a teaching tool to show what god is actually doing,

Circumcision was a symbol. The bible says that was all it was, our spiritual circumcicion was done by the hand of God, baptism is the same water is the symbol, spiritual baptism is what it represents, either way, jesus calls attributing the work of God to the hands or work of men is blasphemy of the HS, so if i was you i would be more worried about commiting the unpardonable sin, that tryint to do anything else

God thinks symbols are important to us, God uses them over and over. Do you agree with the Lord? The Lord tells us we must be circumcised, but not in the flesh. This requires an understanding of what the fleshly circumcision was a symbol of, have you learned what that is?

In fact the scripture God gives us teaches history, teaches spiritual truth, has a hidden meaning and also has a symbolic meaning. All these things.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God thinks symbols are important to us, God uses them over and over. Do you agree with the Lord?

Yes, he does them to teach us reality, do we wish to make the same mistake as the jews and tak the symbol to replace reality and in doins to believe in a fals gospl?

The Lord tells us we must be circumcised, but not in the flesh. This requires an understanding of what the fleshly circumcision was a symbol of, have you learned what that is?

I think paul explains it well in his letter to the church of Colossi, did you get that?

one thing we know, the physical act, done by the hand of men will never replace the spiritual act done by the hand of God, if we are confused about this, after collossians, go to and read Galations.

In fact the scripture God gives us teaches history, teaches spiritual truth, has a hidden meaning and also has a symbolic meaning. All these things.

What history proves is the physical act of circumcision done by hands of men was a teaching aid to the OT believers, and represented the spiritual act of circumcision done by the hand of God.

In the same token

The physical act of baptism done by the hands of men is a teaching aid to the NT church, and represents the spiritual act of baptism done by the hand of God,

And in both cases, saying the physical act done by the hands of man is required to be saved is replacing the spiritual act done by the hand of God, and is a false gospel. Period!

 

[Ignorun]

Better yet, let God do,his job and stop tryimg to do it for him thinking he will accept your human deeds

"I can DO all THROUGH CHRIST who strengthens me." Philippians 4.13.
I've reread your past responses to some of my posts and that of others.
Your responses presume, assume, interject and infer unnecessarily. Groundless.
I've not responded to them because they are as fruit of a tree. Quit, SIR (yours), assuming.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"I can DO all THROUGH CHRIST who strengthens me." Philippians 4.13.

Oh so you think you can save yourself. Good luck with that. (The context of my post was salvation, not how one acts or what they do after they are saved)

I've reread your past responses to some of my posts and that of others.
Your responses presume, assume, interject and infer unnecessarily. Groundless.
I've not responded to them because they are as fruit of a tree. Quit, SIR (yours), assuming.

So instead of attacking me why do you not explain how i misunderstood you, that is what we should be doing is it not?

 

[Ignorun]

Oh so you think you can save yourself. Good luck with that. (The context of my post was salvation, not how one acts or what they do after they are saved)

So instead of attacking me why do you not explain how i misunderstood you, that is what we should be doing is it not?

Oh so you think you can save yourself. Good luck with that. (The context of my post was salvation, not how one acts or what they do after they are saved)

So instead of attacking me why do you not explain how i misunderstood you, that is what we should be doing is it not?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

.....

See, you blame me for your mistake

My question was based on the fact of the thought, can we save ourselves

Your answer was we can do all things through christ

I asked you if you thought you could save yourself (which it appears thats what you answered)

And you blame me BECAUSE you misunderstood me to begin with.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Better yet, let God do,his job and stop tryimg to do it for him thinking he will accept your human deeds

Context, one thinking God will accept our human deeds as a means of salvation

Your response

"I can DO all THROUGH CHRIST who strengthens me." Philippians 4.13.

And your blaming me for misunderstanding you?

 

[garee]

God thinks symbols are important to us, God uses them over and over. Do you agree with the Lord? The Lord tells us we must be circumcised, but not in the flesh. This requires an understanding of what the fleshly circumcision was a symbol of, have you learned what that is?

In fact the scripture God gives us teaches history, teaches spiritual truth, has a hidden meaning and also has a symbolic meaning. All these things.

And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.Ecodus 4:24-26

Yes, circumcision used in various parables as a metaphor represents our bloody husband, Christ. as a sign of suffering beforehand and the glory that did follow the first resurrection the graves were opened. The gospel of our bloody suffering Husband Christ beforehand.

Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.1 Peter 1:10-11


Baptism introducing the desire of a person becoming a member of the priesthood of believer has its foundation in the Old testament It was applied when Aarons sons had a desire to become members of the priesthood again, as a kingdom of priest .

How it became a substitute as remission of sin as a new testament principle remains a mystery . It destroys the true foundation

 

[Ignorun]

Oh so you think you can save yourself. Good luck with that. (The context of my post was salvation, not how one acts or what they do after they are saved)

So instead of attacking

Oh so you think you can save yourself. Good luck with that. (The context of my post was salvation, not how one acts or what they do after they are saved)

So instead of attacking me why do you not explain how i misunderstood you, that is what we should be doing is it not?

me why do you not explain how i misunderstood you, that is what we should be doing is it not?

This won't win me any positive points, but I've noticed that those who believe in OSAS and all that goes with it, are arrogant, disrespectful, belittling, rude in their responses. Not all those, but quite a few.
Why not? They are the ones whose hearts the Holy Spirit "touched" so that they would repent and then be able to have faith and then obey the gospel and then be saved.
Their arrogance and pride. Their doctrine. Which came first?
You need not worry about me SIR (yours). Im not in your OSAS, PREDESTINATED TO OBEY THE GOSPEL.
Then you have the nerve to wish me GOOD LUCK!
If you were being sarcastic, you've proven my point. If you were being sincere, you wasted your time...Im predestined to eternal damnation.
(I see you stayed with the game plan.)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This won't win me any positive points, but I've noticed that those who believe in OSAS and all that goes with it, are arrogant, disrespectful, belittling, rude in their responses. Not all those, but quite a few.
Why not? They are the ones whose hearts the Holy Spirit "touched" so that they would repent and then be able to have faith and then obey the gospel and then be saved.
Their arrogance and pride. Their doctrine. Which came first?
You need not worry about me SIR (yours). Im not in your OSAS, PREDESTINATED TO OBEY THE GOSPEL.
Then you have the nerve to wish me GOOD LUCK!
If you were being sarcastic, you've proven my point. If you were being sincere, you wasted your time...Im predestined to eternal damnation.
(I see you stayed with the game plan.)

Well, you still fail to prove your point, you misunderstood me, so you answered in err, (and have not confessed) yet you had no problem judging me as misunderstanding others (in fact i said if I did, please share so i can understand) and here yiu aree attacking me again.

Its ok, I understand, you NOSAS people have to water down the law. And make yourself look righteous, so it is hard for you to admit when you make mistakes or are wrong, because you would have to admit your not as righteous as you think you are,

I am not proud, if i make a mistake i will fess up,

I know there are many of my brothers who are proud, and it to be honest makes me wonder if they are really my brothers. But others acting hypocritical does not help, as my mom used to say, 2 wrongs do not make a right.

 

[Ignorun]

Context, one thinking God will accept our human deeds as a means of salvation

Your response


And your blaming me for misunderstanding you?

Laugh all you want.
The truth is right under your nose.
Philippians 4.13.
Think. Think about? Think about...? No. Read. Read the verse again. Do you see it? Hint: you can't divide.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Laugh all you want.
The truth is right under your nose.
Philippians 4.13.
Think. Think about? Think about...? No. Read. Read the verse again. Do you see it? Hint: you can't divide.

Think about what?

I asked if you could basically do any deeds which God will accept as payment for salvation (before you are even in christ)

You answered saying you can do all things through christ

So

1. You did not understand me which you have failed to admit
2. You think you can save yourself,

I am laughing, because your making yourself look bad by judging me, try removing the log first man.

 

[Wansvic]

Are you anti-trinitarian?

Please provide the scriptures indicating the use of the formula of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost?

 

[Wansvic]

I don't understand it.
Some Scriptures say baptize In name of Jesus.
Another says in name of Father....
So which?
Just thought of this, Jesus gave command to baptize in name of Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
If people are baptized as Jesus instructed (in name of Father...), aren't they being baptized in name of Jesus, By His authority.

All recorded water baptisms are done in the name of the Lord Jesus. Jesus said to baptize in the name of. Meaning Jesus' name.

 

[Wansvic]

John 1:31
And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

Water baptism is intimately associated with Israel. Paul's epistles to the church do not include one single verse or instruction to ensure all converts are water baptized.

Acts records all groups of people being water baptized. Jews, Gentiles and Samaritans (half jew-half gentile). Acts 2:39 states that all future generations are to "Repent, be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
Paul was water baptized. (Acts 22:16)

 

[Wansvic]

But what did Jesus mean then when He commanded
In name of Father....

“I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.” John 5:43 (Father)

“O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.” John 17:25-26

“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26 (Holy Ghost)

“And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.” Colossians 3:17 (Son)

 

[Wansvic]

A symbol never saves, it is a teaching tool to show what god is actually doing,

Circumcision was a symbol. The bible says that was all it was, our spiritual circumcicion was done by the hand of God, baptism is the same water is the symbol, spiritual baptism is what it represents, either way, jesus calls attributing the work of God to the hands or work of men is blasphemy of the HS, so if i was you i would be more worried about commiting the unpardonable sin, that tryint to do anything else

Even those in the Old Testament were told that if they did not circumcise as commanded by God, the people were no longer considered of God.

God commanded Abraham to circumcise all male children:
“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.” Genesis 17:10-14

Moses was also told to circumcise all male children. His disobedience almost cost him his life.

“And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.” Exodus 4:24-26

OT= Circumcision
NT= Water Baptism

"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." Col 2-11:12

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Even those in the Old Testament were told that if they did not circumcise as commanded by God, the people were no longer considered of God.

God commanded Abraham to circumcise all male children:
“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.” Genesis 17:10-14

Moses was also told to circumcise all male children. His disobedience almost cost him his life.

“And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.” Exodus 4:24-26

OT= Circumcision
NT= Water Baptism

"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." Col 2-11:12

Yep, keep trying, like the jews, to add works to the gospel.

God will not a cept your payment, he will only a cept his sons, but if you think he will accept yours, all the power to you

 

[djdearing]

Acts records all groups of people being water baptized. Jews, Gentiles and Samaritans (half jew-half gentile). Acts 2:39 states that all future generations are to "Repent, be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
Paul was water baptized. (Acts 22:16)

Hi there,

The promises were only to Israel, and a light unto the Gentiles (Romans 9:3-5). As far as Peter was concerned at this point, "To all that are afar off" is referring to the diaspora, the Jews scattered. Consider this also, Peter many years later,

"And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost." -Acts 10:45

In the middle of Acts we start to see the transition from Peter's ministry with the Twelve, to Paul the apostle to the Gentiles. Unto him first was revealed the mystery of gospel, the one new man, Jew and Gentile in one body. The cross wasn't even preached as good news until Paul. Up until then it was proclaimed as a murder indictment to Israel. You killed the Messiah, Repent and be baptized.