Water Baptism-What Does God's Word Say?

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Wansvic

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None of this undoes the command of Jesus, the name you are claiming is the single name.

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
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Again, the bible itself says that a concept is established/confirmed by 2 to 3 witnesses.
We are told that the bible does not contradict itself. Therefore it is obvious that Jesus meant that His name was to be used in water baptizing. Otherwise there would be occurrences in the bible where people were water baptized using the formula of "the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. They do not exist.

Take the time to search out water baptism, water baptized, etc. And you will see the truth.
 
Wansvic

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Obedient "to all of His Word"?
Really? Like that is even possible.
Jesus gave us a to-do list. How are you doing on your list?
And the "greater things"? How is that going?

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

John 14:12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
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Obviously, being obedient to everything in the Word is an impossibility. However, we are to strive to be obedient to God's Word when it is within our power to do so.

1 Sam 15:22
"And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams."
 
Wansvic

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That's good.
Did you follow what I was saying about the baptism with the Holy Spirit?
Especially as it pertains to the passage you cited in Acts chapter nineteen.
The Holy Spirit came as a result of the Apostle laying his hands on them.
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Paul first instructed and performed the re-baptizing of the disciples that didn't realize they were in need of being water baptized in Jesus name.

If there is no significance to how someone is water baptized why the need to re-baptize?

After water baptizing the disciples, Paul laid his hands upon them and the Holy Ghost fell on them as on others on the Day of Pentecost.
 
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Wansvic said:
Again, the bible itself says that a concept is established/confirmed by 2 to 3 witnesses.
We are told that the bible does not contradict itself. Therefore it is obvious that Jesus meant that His name was to be used in water baptizing. Otherwise there would be occurrences in the bible where people were water baptized using the formula of "the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. They do not exist.

Take the time to search out water baptism, water baptized, etc. And you will see the truth.
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Why would your claim nullify Jesus' command?

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
 
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Wansvic said:
Paul first instructed and performed the re-baptizing of the disciples that didn't realize they were in need of being water baptized in Jesus name.

If there is no significance to how someone is water baptized why the need to re-baptize?

After water baptizing the disciples, Paul laid his hands upon them and the Holy Ghost fell on them as on others on the Day of Pentecost.
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I didn't claim there is no significance in water baptism.
 
Wansvic

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Why would your claim nullify Jesus' command?

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
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It doesn't. We are to use the name of Jesus when performing water baptisms.
 
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Sketch said:
Why would your claim nullify Jesus' command?

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
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It has been said that early trinitarians altered the scripture in Matt. 28:19. That is why we don't have a second witness for it. It is said they altered the Didache also. Like Hevosmies said in post #140, they should take authority in the name of Jesus. We are Jesus' proxy when we baptize some.

John 1:33 "I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’"

So as long as we take authority as Jesus' proxy it is a proper baptism.
 
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Deade said:
It has been said that early trinitarians altered the scripture in Matt. 28:19. That is why we don't have a second witness for it. It is said they altered the Didache also. Like Hevosmies said in post #140, they should take authority in the name of Jesus. We are Jesus' proxy when we baptize some.

John 1:33 "I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’"

So as long as we take authority as Jesus' proxy it is a proper baptism.
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Pertaining to the Didache, it's obviously been altered in many ways.

One example alone is the word Eucharist (RCC term)


It seems odd that nowhere in the Holy Bible (KJV) or in the Hebrew Torah the word Eucharist exists, but it does in the Didache!

The Didache is supposed to come from the Apostles and their example in the Book of Acts.

So, how did Eucharist get into the Didache around 50 A.D. when the Apostles never used such a term?


Let's find out when this term was actually first used?
Where did the word Eucharist come from?
It is a mid 14th Century word from Greek 'Eukharista' meaning thanksgiving or gratitude and later the Lord's Supper.

Hmmmmm,
So, how does the portion of the Didache called the Eucharist (when the word did not exist until the 14th century) become a part of the 1st church example of the Disciples?


This might be why some think the Didache is gnostic. Clearly the portion about Eucharist is an add-on. I wonder what else is also an add-on to the Didache, since it does not match the first church example in the Book of Acts, or from anything that Paul wrote about?
 
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Wansvic said:
It doesn't. We are to use the name of Jesus when performing water baptisms.
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You seem to be forgetting a few details here.

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
 
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Deade said:
It has been said that early trinitarians altered the scripture in Matt. 28:19. That is why we don't have a second witness for it. It is said they altered the Didache also. Like Hevosmies said in post #140, they should take authority in the name of Jesus. We are Jesus' proxy when we baptize some.

John 1:33 "I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’"

So as long as we take authority as Jesus' proxy it is a proper baptism.
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Well, "... the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" is in the Greek text. How do you explain that?
 
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Hevosmies said:
If the early church did what some modern-day groups like the Oneness Pentecostal cult do and baptized "in the name of Jesus," then why does the Didache not teach the same thing? The reason is because the early church baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, just as Jesus commanded them to do ( Matthew 28:19)."
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Some posters on this page were claiming you were saying the opposite.
 
Wansvic

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Some posters on this page were claiming you were saying the opposite.
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Please note scriptures that record water baptisms performed using the phrase "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. There are None.
Every recorded water baptism was completed using the name of the Lord Jesus.
 
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Wansvic said:
Please note scriptures that record water baptisms performed using the phrase "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. There are None.
Every recorded water baptism was completed using the name of the Lord Jesus.
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Are you anti-trinitarian?
 
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Sketch said:
None of this undoes the command of Jesus, the name you are claiming is the single name.

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
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I don't understand it.
Some Scriptures say baptize In name of Jesus.
Another says in name of Father....
So which?
Just thought of this, Jesus gave command to baptize in name of Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
If people are baptized as Jesus instructed (in name of Father...), aren't they being baptized in name of Jesus, By His authority.
 
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Wansvic said:
Please note scriptures that record water baptisms performed using the phrase "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. There are None.
Every recorded water baptism was completed using the name of the Lord Jesus.
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But what did Jesus mean then when He commanded
In name of Father....
 
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I don't understand it.
Some Scriptures say baptize In name of Jesus.
Another says in name of Father....
So which?
Just thought of this, Jesus gave command to baptize in name of Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
If people are baptized as Jesus instructed (in name of Father...), aren't they being baptized in name of Jesus, By His authority.
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There seems to be several views, or thoughts, on this.
I wonder if the baptisms were being identified as either of Jesus or of John the Baptist.
The baptism of Jesus should be carried out according to his command.
Therefore, someone baptized in Jesus' name is to baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
In the same way that you have shortened it in your post, the writers of the NT just said "Jesus name" to differentiate it from John's baptism. There are some who are claiming that "trinitarians" changed the New Testament to reflect their beliefs. However, the Greek text shows all three names of the godhead in the text.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The word baptise is just an action word. Being baptised, or placed into christ (a better translation) is done by the hand of God. No water can do this.
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The Lord uses symbolism to explain His workings to us, those symbols have the power of the spirit they symbolize.

Water is a symbol used all through scripture to explain to us how God cleanses and purifies us. It is important to us to learn God's way and accept it so we don't tell God what to do and how to do it. God uses water as a symbol. Accept it, don't make your own shortcut. Do it God's way.
 
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Blik said:
The Lord uses symbolism to explain His workings to us, those symbols have the power of the spirit they symbolize.

Water is a symbol used all through scripture to explain to us how God cleanses and purifies us. It is important to us to learn God's way and accept it so we don't tell God what to do and how to do it. God uses water as a symbol. Accept it, don't make your own shortcut. Do it God's way.
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"Do it God's way." AMEN!

That's the problem, though: Do it God's way...too basic, too plain and simple.

But,
The foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of man. 1st Corinthians 1.
 
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Blik said:
The Lord uses symbolism to explain His workings to us, those symbols have the power of the spirit they symbolize.

Water is a symbol used all through scripture to explain to us how God cleanses and purifies us. It is important to us to learn God's way and accept it so we don't tell God what to do and how to do it. God uses water as a symbol. Accept it, don't make your own shortcut. Do it God's way.
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A symbol never saves, it is a teaching tool to show what god is actually doing,

Circumcision was a symbol. The bible says that was all it was, our spiritual circumcicion was done by the hand of God, baptism is the same water is the symbol, spiritual baptism is what it represents, either way, jesus calls attributing the work of God to the hands or work of men is blasphemy of the HS, so if i was you i would be more worried about commiting the unpardonable sin, that tryint to do anything else
 
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Ignorun said:
"Do it God's way." AMEN!

That's the problem, though: Do it God's way...too basic, too plain and simple.

But,
The foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of man. 1st Corinthians 1.
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Better yet, let God do,his job and stop tryimg to do it for him thinking he will accept your human deeds
 
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