Water Baptism-What Does God's Word Say?
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God told Abraham that the person not circumcised had broken the covenant and would not be considered part of God's family.
Second, the angel of the Lord was going to kill Moses for not circumcising his son.
I did not place this information in the bible God inspired these accounts to be recorded.
God told Abraham that the person not circumcised had broken the covenant and would not be considered part of God's family.
Second, the angel of the Lord was going to kill Moses for not circumcising his son.
I did not place this information in the bible God inspired these accounts to be recorded.
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I don't recall ANY baptism ceremonies recorded in scripture that outline the particulars.
Baptisms in Jesus' name were referred to as such to differentiate between the Baptisms of John.
Why are you so quick to dismiss Jesus' command concerning this? Are you anti-trinitarian?
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Baptisms in Jesus' name were referred to as such to differentiate between the Baptisms of John.
Why are you so quick to dismiss Jesus' command concerning this? Are you anti-trinitarian?
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
I have a PC Study Bible Software that includes a substantial amount of bible translations, commentaries, Strong's greek and hebrew, multiple dictionaries, etc.
I do study thoroughly.
Each scripture I have quoted pertains to water baptism as defined in the Strong's.
I do not pick and choose scriptures that I "think" fit a discussed topic, and have, and do study before putting anything out there as we are going to be held responsible for our witness to others.
I do study thoroughly.
Each scripture I have quoted pertains to water baptism as defined in the Strong's.
I do not pick and choose scriptures that I "think" fit a discussed topic, and have, and do study before putting anything out there as we are going to be held responsible for our witness to others.
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As I have mentioned many times we are told that a concept in the Word must be established by at least 2-3 witnesses within the pages of the bible. All recorded water baptisms were performed using the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. There is not one occurrence when the formula was used. Therefore, Jesus had to have meant that His name was to be used. Because the disciples would have never done something against what He told them.
The Word also expresses that all people that were water baptized by John the Baptist had to be re-baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus after His death, burial, and resurrection. Why? Because there is power in the name of Jesus.
The Word also states that everything done in word and deed was to be done in Jesus' name.
The Word also expresses that all people that were water baptized by John the Baptist had to be re-baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus after His death, burial, and resurrection. Why? Because there is power in the name of Jesus.
The Word also states that everything done in word and deed was to be done in Jesus' name.
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I appreciate the discussion! I may not be able to respond to any and every post as my available time to dedicate to this is sparse but by all means, feel free.
You also make a good point, but I'll continue a bit further.
Baptism is a complete identifications with some thing or person. We are identified with His death and resurrection (Rom 6:3-5, Gal 2:20) and that not because of getting dunked in water.
There are 3 parts to every baptism. Who is the baptizer? With/into what? For what purpose? There are at least a "few baptisms" in the bible and not all of them are wet. Hebrews 6:2 refers to the "doctrine of baptisms".
Paul says there is now ONE baptism (Eph 4:5) which is by the Spirit into Christ. (1 Cor 12:13) If we were to make this one with water it would be the only earthly element in the list. If it is water baptism why wouldn't the ONE baptism be by the Spirit into Christ?
You also make a good point, but I'll continue a bit further.
Baptism is a complete identifications with some thing or person. We are identified with His death and resurrection (Rom 6:3-5, Gal 2:20) and that not because of getting dunked in water.
There are 3 parts to every baptism. Who is the baptizer? With/into what? For what purpose? There are at least a "few baptisms" in the bible and not all of them are wet. Hebrews 6:2 refers to the "doctrine of baptisms".
Paul says there is now ONE baptism (Eph 4:5) which is by the Spirit into Christ. (1 Cor 12:13) If we were to make this one with water it would be the only earthly element in the list. If it is water baptism why wouldn't the ONE baptism be by the Spirit into Christ?
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Not trying to be rude when I say this 
But I will try and answer your question if you will first answer this.
Continue the next verse in Mark you posted.
Mark 16:17-18 KJV
[17] And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; [18] They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Show me the believers with those signs. Or maybe you would like to cast out some devils, speak in a language you’ve never learned, use your gift of healing, take up a deadly serpent, and drink something deadly?
I didn’t think so
My point is, something has changed.
But I will try and answer your question if you will first answer this.
Continue the next verse in Mark you posted.
Mark 16:17-18 KJV
[17] And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; [18] They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Show me the believers with those signs. Or maybe you would like to cast out some devils, speak in a language you’ve never learned, use your gift of healing, take up a deadly serpent, and drink something deadly?
I didn’t think so
My point is, something has changed.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. John 14:12-14
We become endued with power and speak in tongues via the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
Devils are cast out in Jesus' name.
Healing occurs in Jesus' name.
The very things you are questioning, Jesus said would take place and do each and every day.
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In verse 4 Paul mentions one body, and one Spirit, and continues in verse 5 to say there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism. The Stong's indicates that the baptism in verse 5 is water baptism.
"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism," Eph 4:4-5
The distinction is made about one baptism because there had been numerous purification washings prior to the New Testament water baptism.
"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism," Eph 4:4-5
The distinction is made about one baptism because there had been numerous purification washings prior to the New Testament water baptism.
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"Do all speak in tongues"? No. All those signs in Mark, after Jesus said to the Eleven, go ye into all the world... Guess what, they did not go into the world. God started something new, a mystery kept secret since the world began, and Paul his chief enemy was raised up to be the apostle to the Gentiles. The Twelve after Pentecost agreed in Acts 15 that Paul would go. Their commission was coming to an end and they continued ministering to the circumcision. The last 2000 years has not been a Pentecostal my friend. God is longsuffering to a world who rejects him, and when the times of the Gentiles comes to it's fulness, then Israel's 'program' will continue and all Israel shall be saved.
Again, I agree with much of what you have written previously. But I do not believe the above response meets DJ's challenge. In fact, it can't be met.
Let's suppose DJ is correct about the cessation of the spiritual gifts. Does that cessation/change necessarily suggest that the "formula" for baptism changed? That's DJ's argument. To which I disagree. The reason is that the gifts are not doctrine. They are a means to an end, but not the end themselves. The end is truth. Just because the gifts cease/change does not mean the baptismal formula changed. That's my understanding.
Let's suppose DJ is correct about the cessation of the spiritual gifts. Does that cessation/change necessarily suggest that the "formula" for baptism changed? That's DJ's argument. To which I disagree. The reason is that the gifts are not doctrine. They are a means to an end, but not the end themselves. The end is truth. Just because the gifts cease/change does not mean the baptismal formula changed. That's my understanding.