Understanding God’s election
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Was reading 1Cor last night. It's sad to see how some discount the power of God's message to save, which is His power and the power of Christ
Was looking at call and choice this morning. Men chose YHWH to be their God Deut26:17. YHWH chose men to be a special people to Him Deut26:18.
When we're looking at the wording of election, we're missing an important word 2Thes2:13-17 and the power of His message He uses to call men.
Study the Greek wording in 2Thes2:13. English will confuse the matter.
Was looking at call and choice this morning. Men chose YHWH to be their God Deut26:17. YHWH chose men to be a special people to Him Deut26:18.
When we're looking at the wording of election, we're missing an important word 2Thes2:13-17 and the power of His message He uses to call men.
Study the Greek wording in 2Thes2:13. English will confuse the matter.
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You sound a wee bit angry. Having a bad hair day?
You did admit that Christ alone ratified the NC in his own blood that he shed on the cross. Since none of Abraham's descendants (physical or spiritual) ever participated in its ratification, then this makes the NC UNILATERAL in nature. And since this must be case, God himself fulfills his own promises in that covenant. God never made the NC with all humanity w/o exception, which further means God never made a "covenant of love" with all humanity w/o exception, which further means God does not love all humanity in the filial sense.
The onus is on you to prove from scripture (i.e. from the OT scriptures wherein the promises of the NC are stipulated) to prove that God made his NC with each and every person in the world. Check out some day Jer 31-32; Ezek 36-37.
P.S. If you want to see what a bilateral covenant looks like, read Ex 24 some day to see who and how the Mosaic Covenant was ratified. That covenant is bilateral in nature and was made with the same people with whom God made the New.
Live it, love it and learn it...and then the Truth will finally set you free your dark dungeon.
You did admit that Christ alone ratified the NC in his own blood that he shed on the cross. Since none of Abraham's descendants (physical or spiritual) ever participated in its ratification, then this makes the NC UNILATERAL in nature. And since this must be case, God himself fulfills his own promises in that covenant. God never made the NC with all humanity w/o exception, which further means God never made a "covenant of love" with all humanity w/o exception, which further means God does not love all humanity in the filial sense.
The onus is on you to prove from scripture (i.e. from the OT scriptures wherein the promises of the NC are stipulated) to prove that God made his NC with each and every person in the world. Check out some day Jer 31-32; Ezek 36-37.
P.S. If you want to see what a bilateral covenant looks like, read Ex 24 some day to see who and how the Mosaic Covenant was ratified. That covenant is bilateral in nature and was made with the same people with whom God made the New.
Live it, love it and learn it...and then the Truth will finally set you free your dark dungeon.
I have a better idea: Show me one verse in the bible whereby faithful obedience and service to the King of kings and Lord of lords isn't the very warp 'n' woof of salvation and the reason for it. Don't you know that God calls everyone for a PURPOSE!? You're not saying very much when you try to dichotomize God's purpose in salvation.
That is subjective.
The truth is OBJECTIVE.
He RECONCILED the world to Himself......OBJECTIVE truth.
So that whosoever(ALL) can believe on Him......OBJECTIVE truth.
We can subjectively say, "well, this happened for me...." Or "That happened for someone else."
But salvation is equal privilege and equal opportunity for ALL.
The exact circumstances of how someone got to the point varies, sure. But the way and the how of salvation is ROCK SOLID.
The truth is OBJECTIVE.
He RECONCILED the world to Himself......OBJECTIVE truth.
So that whosoever(ALL) can believe on Him......OBJECTIVE truth.
We can subjectively say, "well, this happened for me...." Or "That happened for someone else."
But salvation is equal privilege and equal opportunity for ALL.
The exact circumstances of how someone got to the point varies, sure. But the way and the how of salvation is ROCK SOLID.
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This is key as I read the Text.
We all have to understand and try to deal with omniscience and Him having the capacity and right to handle everyone perfectly and righteously as He wills and sees fit for His purposes. You were probably taught re: the angelic conflict and how God is dealing with many issues on many levels and will be glorified in all respects.
I recall a translational exercise in one of the Thess epistles that made it clear to me that He has the right to use us in a persecution and suffering sense to fill the cup of wrath of those who are hostile to Him. That clear realization brought silence to the room I was in at the time I pointed it out.
There are simply more things going on than we have the capacity to comprehend.
We all have to understand and try to deal with omniscience and Him having the capacity and right to handle everyone perfectly and righteously as He wills and sees fit for His purposes. You were probably taught re: the angelic conflict and how God is dealing with many issues on many levels and will be glorified in all respects.
I recall a translational exercise in one of the Thess epistles that made it clear to me that He has the right to use us in a persecution and suffering sense to fill the cup of wrath of those who are hostile to Him. That clear realization brought silence to the room I was in at the time I pointed it out.
There are simply more things going on than we have the capacity to comprehend.
Again, under what covenant did He do that? You still can't point to that mythical covenant, can you? And it certainly can't be the New Covenant since the New Covenant was not made with all men w/o exception. It was made with Abraham's descendants.
And here again, you can't get your phony gospel straight, can you? If he reconciled the entire world to himself, then the entire world is saved. Didn't God actually reconcile Eve to himself in the Garden by putting enmity between her and the devil? Or did He merely provide Eve with an opportunity to be reconciled? (And how come God didn't treat Adam the same way he treated Eve? But I digress...) But then in the next breath you tell us salvation is an "equal privilege and OPPORTUNITY for all"! So...which is it: Did he actually reconcile all mankind w/o exception, or did he simply provide all mankind w/o exception an opportunity to reconcile themselves to God? Somehow you keep conflating the two very different concepts.
And lastly, God never reconciled all mankind w/o exception to himself, since the vast majority of mankind Jesus NEVER KNEW (Mat 7:23). And since Jesus on the last day will tell all evildoers that He never knew him, this can only mean that his Father never gave any of those evildoers to Him. Therefore, the Father never knew them either! How could God love or reconcile anyone he never knew since He never entered into a personal, intimate, filial-type covenant relationship with all mankind w/o exception? If you're going to preach universal atonement for one and for all, you had better be sure there aren't any exceptions.
And here again, you can't get your phony gospel straight, can you? If he reconciled the entire world to himself, then the entire world is saved. Didn't God actually reconcile Eve to himself in the Garden by putting enmity between her and the devil? Or did He merely provide Eve with an opportunity to be reconciled? (And how come God didn't treat Adam the same way he treated Eve? But I digress...) But then in the next breath you tell us salvation is an "equal privilege and OPPORTUNITY for all"! So...which is it: Did he actually reconcile all mankind w/o exception, or did he simply provide all mankind w/o exception an opportunity to reconcile themselves to God? Somehow you keep conflating the two very different concepts.
And lastly, God never reconciled all mankind w/o exception to himself, since the vast majority of mankind Jesus NEVER KNEW (Mat 7:23). And since Jesus on the last day will tell all evildoers that He never knew him, this can only mean that his Father never gave any of those evildoers to Him. Therefore, the Father never knew them either! How could God love or reconcile anyone he never knew since He never entered into a personal, intimate, filial-type covenant relationship with all mankind w/o exception? If you're going to preach universal atonement for one and for all, you had better be sure there aren't any exceptions.
Sorry. God reconciled the world to Himself.....This is what the Bible and Jesus tells us.
God reconciled every leaf that grew and fell off. He reconciled every animal that has lived and died. He has reconciled every blade of grass you have cut in your lawn.......
He reconciled THE WORLD to Himself. To big for you and me to understand.......But you want to put Him in a truly small box with humanity and only 10-20% of humanity at that.
Your idea of God is so very small.
God reconciled every leaf that grew and fell off. He reconciled every animal that has lived and died. He has reconciled every blade of grass you have cut in your lawn.......
He reconciled THE WORLD to Himself. To big for you and me to understand.......But you want to put Him in a truly small box with humanity and only 10-20% of humanity at that.
Your idea of God is so very small.
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