Understanding God’s election
- Thread starter dougcho
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
I think this is why they have to falsely label us and make their own "team security blanket", to come behind them to affirm everything false that they just said. They cannot and/or will not deal with what is said in good faith. It's the exact same in politics, and any other subject people engage in, only here we are dealing with the very truth of reality. When God blesses us with salvation, when He makes us new, brings to life our spirit for the first time, and opens our eyes and ears to the truth, and we see and hear people saying things that are just not true, in so many different way, and no matter how you approach them they refuse to listen or even interact with our words. What do you do? I don't know.
What they do is take this cartoon character version of system some use to describe Christianity, label certain people that hold to certain points of view about God falsely, then apply these beliefs, that I've never even heard anyone express here at all, to them and then nonstop attack these false beliefs day in an out like they are serving God and bringing glory to Jesus name. All we can do is proclaim the truth and trust God to work it out how He wills.
What they do is take this cartoon character version of system some use to describe Christianity, label certain people that hold to certain points of view about God falsely, then apply these beliefs, that I've never even heard anyone express here at all, to them and then nonstop attack these false beliefs day in an out like they are serving God and bringing glory to Jesus name. All we can do is proclaim the truth and trust God to work it out how He wills.
-
2
-
1
-
1
- Show all
Well, there certainly are those who do not deal with the Scriptures given at all, and as you say, they revert to ad homs instead, and revel in the telling of lies which they wish others to see as grace. They seem to need to pretend they love God's revealed written holy Word when they actually hate it, and hope to fool people by projecting their hatred of God's Word onto those who uphold i. I came to see this very clearly the past couple of days during exchanges with a couple of people I normally have on ignore. I had actually been thinking of taking the one off and putting the other back on, but I see no point in trying to discuss anything with people who have no interest in doing anything but lie.
-
1
- Show all
It occurs to me also that you must think this "skill" you have in imitating Satan by subtly changing what is said
serves you well, but it is not beyond the ken of some to see your deceptions. Faith does not come by listening. Nor
does it come by hearing vibrational frequencies that are interpreted as foolishness. Of course you have been told
many times that hearing must encompass comprehension but you love to misrepresent as much as Kroogz and GWH
do. It seems to be the only defence you have against the Truth of God's revealed written holy Word.
2 Corinthians 4 verse 4 ~ The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, Who is the image of God.
serves you well, but it is not beyond the ken of some to see your deceptions. Faith does not come by listening. Nor
does it come by hearing vibrational frequencies that are interpreted as foolishness. Of course you have been told
many times that hearing must encompass comprehension but you love to misrepresent as much as Kroogz and GWH
do. It seems to be the only defence you have against the Truth of God's revealed written holy Word.
2 Corinthians 4 verse 4 ~ The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, Who is the image of God.
-
1
-
1
- Show all
It occurs to me also that you must think this "skill" you have in imitating Satan by subtly changing what is said
serves you well, but it is not beyond the ken of some to see your deceptions. Faith does not come by listening. Nor
does it come by hearing vibrational frequencies that are interpreted as foolishness. Of course you have been told
many times that hearing must encompass comprehension but you love to misrepresent as much as Kroogz and GWH
do. It seems to be the only defence you have against the Truth of God's revealed written holy Word.
2 Corinthians 4 verse 4 ~ The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, Who is the image of God.
serves you well, but it is not beyond the ken of some to see your deceptions. Faith does not come by listening. Nor
does it come by hearing vibrational frequencies that are interpreted as foolishness. Of course you have been told
many times that hearing must encompass comprehension but you love to misrepresent as much as Kroogz and GWH
do. It seems to be the only defence you have against the Truth of God's revealed written holy Word.
2 Corinthians 4 verse 4 ~ The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, Who is the image of God.
-
1
- Show all
They cannot stand many verses, let alone understand. Their Pelagian sensibilities cannot tolerate anything which suggests man is the creature God's Word declares him to be, or even that God is Who God's Word declares Him to be for that matter, as they rail against His sovereignty and ridicule the idea that He must act unilaterally due to the very things proclaimed of man. And these "things," the characteristics of the natural man, are expressed in a number of ways, repeatedly, plainly, and in parables, from old to new, and yet all are rejected, ignored, swept under the rug, twisted beyond recognition, contradicted, and outright denied in their haste to ascribe to the natural man what is only true of the spiritual man. They are incapable of making any distinction between the two, and lack of spiritual discernment surely seems a reasonable explanation for this, even though some of them consider themselves great teachers while they shamelessly flaunt their hypocrisy and seemingly cannot stop themselves from lying in lieu of acknowledging what the Scriptures plainly state.
We have plenty of scripture that undeniably show that man will not and cannot seek, hear or see God......That is in the context of in and of ourselves. With no help. If God just "let us Be."...........But He DID NOT. He came after us and offered us HELP.
The calvies are so stuck on the creature and how the creature is by nature......They have overlooked that God came and FIXED our problem.
John 16:8
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
No man can make an excuse of, " I am depraved, I cannot see, I cannot hear."......God got rid of that excuse.
The calvies are so stuck on the creature and how the creature is by nature......They have overlooked that God came and FIXED our problem.
John 16:8
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
No man can make an excuse of, " I am depraved, I cannot see, I cannot hear."......God got rid of that excuse.
Since when did you believe in efficacious grace? Are you saying that God gifted sinners with a new nature, a new heart, new eyes that can see, and new ears that can hear? IOW, explain to me just how did fix the problem?
I know that what you just wrote is bald-faced lie since you say in your first paragraph that God merely "offered us help". Is that what the Good Samaritan did with half-dead man he found on the road: He offered to help him?
You, see, I can say what you said, i.e. "God came and [actually] FIXED our problem" -- and not merely offered to fix our problem. Only God alone can raise the dead, don't you know? That's fixing the freakin' problem! But you are so self-deceived, so duplicitous that you have lost virtually all self-awareness. You CAN'T even see how you contradicted yourself. For it's one thing for someone to actually fix another person's problem (such as the Good Samaritan did with the crime victim), and quite another to merely offer help to fix it. What you FWs refuse to see is that man has evil coursing through his veins and he can do nothing to help himself. There is NO spiritual soundness in dead men, which is why God is not the God of the dead! But you and your ilk are loathe to see yourselves as the Good Samaritan saw the half-dead, helpless, hopeless man on the road that he rescued.
What good is your stupid god to merely offer help to people who are powerless to help themselves? How can your god be more loving and merciful and righteous than the Good Samaritan or the God who has revealed himself in scripture?
I know that what you just wrote is bald-faced lie since you say in your first paragraph that God merely "offered us help". Is that what the Good Samaritan did with half-dead man he found on the road: He offered to help him?
You, see, I can say what you said, i.e. "God came and [actually] FIXED our problem" -- and not merely offered to fix our problem. Only God alone can raise the dead, don't you know? That's fixing the freakin' problem! But you are so self-deceived, so duplicitous that you have lost virtually all self-awareness. You CAN'T even see how you contradicted yourself. For it's one thing for someone to actually fix another person's problem (such as the Good Samaritan did with the crime victim), and quite another to merely offer help to fix it. What you FWs refuse to see is that man has evil coursing through his veins and he can do nothing to help himself. There is NO spiritual soundness in dead men, which is why God is not the God of the dead! But you and your ilk are loathe to see yourselves as the Good Samaritan saw the half-dead, helpless, hopeless man on the road that he rescued.
What good is your stupid god to merely offer help to people who are powerless to help themselves? How can your god be more loving and merciful and righteous than the Good Samaritan or the God who has revealed himself in scripture?
-
1
- Show all
MFWists have always believed God graces sinners with sufficient ability to repent and seek salvation per MT 7:7, DT 30:19, MT 23:37, 1TM 2:3-4, and we have never affirmed salvation by works. This grace is indeed an offer of help, because it can be resisted. You may call God stupid, but we praise Him for being loving.
-
1
- Show all
Paradox? Only in the calvies dream world.
John 16~~But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the [e]Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment: 9regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10and regarding righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you no longer are going to see Me; 11and regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
Every person you see on the street has equal privilege and equal opportunity to salvation.....Preach it, live it love it.
John 16~~But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the [e]Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment: 9regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10and regarding righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you no longer are going to see Me; 11and regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
Every person you see on the street has equal privilege and equal opportunity to salvation.....Preach it, live it love it.
-
1
- Show all
I do not recall ever hearing it like that before but it is oh so true! And repentance is not possible without accepting one's wholly fallen sinful nature before a just and omnipotent God Who unilaterally draws us with loving kindness... while we were yet hostile in our minds toward Him, He was showing us His love. And then we are told this inherent hostility is a misapplied text as if could be applied in any other way. This hostility, this very human condition, is the very reason Jesus Christ came into the world... and the condition they repeatedly deny. How many times have we been told by these Pelagians that man is not that bad? They outright deny what the Bible says. Then they pretend it isn't about that at all. Such deceivers do not realize that people see through their deceptions.
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt; their acts are vile. There is no one who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if any understand, if any seek God. All have turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. Man is vile and corrupt.
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt; their acts are vile. There is no one who does good. The LORD looks down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if any understand, if any seek God. All have turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. Man is vile and corrupt.
-
1
-
1
- Show all
You just contradicted yourself. Since you now admit that all humanity w/o exception is not a party to the New Covenant, then how did the entire human race reap any benefits of this covenant? You just admitted (unwittingly) that the NC is unilateral in nature. 
And since this is indeed the case (congrats for being right for once in your life), then all the conditions to the covenant are fulfilled by God who cut the covenant in the first place. The Abrahamic Covenant, too, was also unilateral in nature, for when you read Gen 15 carefully, you will learn that neither did Abraham participate in the covenant's ratification, which made God himself duty-bound to fulfill his own conditions!
And since this is indeed the case (congrats for being right for once in your life), then all the conditions to the covenant are fulfilled by God who cut the covenant in the first place. The Abrahamic Covenant, too, was also unilateral in nature, for when you read Gen 15 carefully, you will learn that neither did Abraham participate in the covenant's ratification, which made God himself duty-bound to fulfill his own conditions!
You just contradicted yourself. Since you now admit that all humanity w/o exception is not a party to the New Covenant, then how did the entire human race reap any benefits of this covenant? You just admitted (unwittingly) that the NC is unilateral in nature. And since this is indeed the case (congrats for being right for once in your life), then all the conditions to the covenant are fulfilled by God who cut the covenant in the first place. The Abrahamic Covenant, too, was also unilateral in nature, for when you read Gen 15 carefully, you will learn that neither did Abraham participate in the covenant's ratification, which made God himself duty-bound to fulfill his own conditions!
And since this is indeed the case (congrats for being right for once in your life), then all the conditions to the covenant are fulfilled by God who cut the covenant in the first place. The Abrahamic Covenant, too, was also unilateral in nature, for when you read Gen 15 carefully, you will learn that neither did Abraham participate in the covenant's ratification, which made God himself duty-bound to fulfill his own conditions!
YOUR idea of the new covenant is about as big as Uranus.
Gods Idea of the new covenant is bigger than 100000000000000000000000000000000 x 100000000 galaxies.