Understanding God’s election

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2 Thessalonians 2:10b-14a ~ Those who are perishing refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness. But we always thank God for you, brothers who are loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning to be saved by the sanctification of the Spirit and by faith in the truth, to which He called you through our gospel.
 

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Jesus said what He said, God is seeking those who will bow in obedience to Him in Spirit and Truth and such Jews and Samaritans were in and around Israel at the time. All it took was a little work as a Prophet for some to recognize and believe in Him. Some men willed to do God's will.

Yes, Scripture is rough on your theology. Many of us understand this.
Yup. God acted, they reacted. Positively.

Same goes for Judas. God acted, he reacted. Negatively.

[Jhn 13:26-27 KJV] 26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped [it]. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave [it] to Judas Iscariot, [the son] of Simon.

27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
 
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Psalm 34:7 Hebrews 1:14 The angel of the LORD encamps around those who fear Him, and he delivers them. Are not the angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
 

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Yup. God acted, they reacted. Positively.

Same goes for Judas. God acted, he reacted. Negatively.

[Jhn 13:26-27 KJV] 26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped [it]. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave [it] to Judas Iscariot, [the son] of Simon.

27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

The corpse analogy is profoundly problematic.
 

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Did you note who I originally posted to before you said I made a derogatory statement about you?
So I'm not allowed to ask questions in an open forum to a post not directed towards me.
If you prefer that I not ask you questions or address your posts, just let me know. I'll stop.
 
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The corpse analogy is profoundly problematic.

Romans 8:9-10 ~ You are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.
 

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So I'm not allowed to ask questions in an open forum to a post not directed towards me.
If you prefer that I not ask you questions or address your posts, just let me know. I'll stop.
So, I didn't make a derogatory statement about you?

And who said you're not allowed to ask questions?

Again, let's switch places and have you do some work in Scripture this time and I'll agree or disagree.
 
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Peace, be still; Lay all your worries down. Be still, oh my soul, For our God, is in control. And if God is for us, Then whom shall I fear? And our God is for us;So lay down, be still.He is God. Hallelujah, our God has overcome. Hallelujah, our Lord, Jesus Christ, has won.
 

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So, I didn't make a derogatory statement about you?

And who said you're not allowed to ask questions?

Again, let's switch places and have you do some work in Scripture this time and I'll agree or disagree.
I'm open to it not being a derogatory comment if you can demonstrate how the way you parsed your comments was designed for my edification.
Your question concerning who your original comments were addressed to led me to wonder if you believe only the person who a post is directed towards should answer. Hence my inquiry.
And if you would like to reverse roles, ask me a question.
 
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The corpse analogy is profoundly problematic.

Ephesians 2:1-3 You were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.
But I suppose you do not believe that applies to you... or other free willers.
 
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You and I are saved, yes? While anyone is welcome to pursue God, how many unsaved people do you know who are doing so?
I would not think someone who goes around saying God raped Mary is saved. Or that if God acts unilaterally He is
an unjust tyrant kidnapping people against their will. They sound more like a God hater than someone who is saved.
 

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You and I are saved, yes? While anyone is welcome to pursue God, how many unsaved people do you know who are doing so?
Absolutely none in regard as saved individuals. We have the Spirit and can know the things of God.

However, every unbeliever I know is aching for the Gospel Of The Lord Jesus Christ. And It is available to each and everyone of them. At ANY time. And we, as believers, should treat it as such.