Tithing. What are Christians suppose to do?

[posthuman]

Acts 21:10-11
And as we tarried [there] many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver [him] into the hands of the Gentiles.

It is as the prophet spoke, the binding is the voluntary oath they imposed on him to take - to those under the law he became like one under the law, tho he himself is not under the law.
And they handed him over to the gentiles in the midst of a 7 days. This echoes Christ delivered to the hands of the sanhedrin and then to Pilate during the days of Passover.

 

[posthuman]

Peter James and John were given exclusive guardianship over the Jews who believe according to the gospel of the circumcision, which includes obedience to the Law of Moses. (Galatians 2)

If that were even remotely true what in the world was Peter doing living like a Gentile - specifically not as a Jew - also living with Gentiles, and being in some position as an apostle by which Gentiles would watch how he lives and be compelled to do as he does?

Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

 

[posthuman]

If that were even remotely true what in the world was Peter doing living like a Gentile - specifically not as a Jew - also living with Gentiles, and being in some position as an apostle by which Gentiles would watch how he lives and be compelled to do as he does?

Galatians 2:14
But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Paul's beef with Peter is that when these people from James weren't around Peter was living and preaching differently, but when these Jews came by, Peter hypocritically acted like there really was a different gospel for Jews. The reason Paul got in his face about it is that that is not true. There is one gospel, to both Jew and gentile alike.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

 

[bud62]

Anyway you are not contradicting my point since tithing was also not part of the 10

If we LOVE GOD , I think we should , want to Give to HIS perpost that witch all ready belongs to HEM .
Love is not in words , But in doing , Our deeds should show our love to GOD .

 

[Elihoenai]

The Book of Galatians is an aggressive attack against, works of the law doctrine. And an ongoing promotion of the gospel of by grace thru faith.

Personally I find taking one verse COMPLETELY out of context. And then trying to build a by works of the law doctrine, is, PURPOSTUOUS!

Council At Jerusalem, Gentiles & The Law of Moses

Acts 15:
5 Some Pharisees rose up, saying, "it is needful to circumcise Gentiles & command them" ""to keep the law of Moses""
(NOTE: Law promoting Pharisees make the FASLSE claim that Gentiles believers must keep the law of Moses. I.E. Circumcision, tithe etc)

6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
(NOTE: The apostles & elders debate their FALSE claim)

7 Peter rose up, & said, Men & brethren, a good while ago God made choice "that Gentiles" by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel & believe
(NOTE: Peter say's, God decided, Gentiles should hear the gospel & believe)

8 God, who knows the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did us
(NOTE: Peter whom had 1st hand knowledge/experience say's: God gave Gentiles, the Holy Spirit. See Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. AS THEY HEARD! NO CIRCUMCISION-TITHE-OR ANY OTHER MOSAIC LAW REQUIREMENTS. They received the Ruach HaKodesh!

9 "He put no difference between us & the Gentiles" ""purifying their hearts by faith""
(NOTE: Gentiles are purified by faith, NOT thru keeping Mosaic law requirements)

10 Why now, tempt ye God, to put a yoke around the neck of these believing Gentiles
(NOTE: Peter tells these law promoting Pharisees DON'T put a yoke = LAW REQUIREMENTS onto these Gentile believers)

11 We believe that thru the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they
(NOTE: Peter say's Gentiles are saved By Grace thru Faith. NOT by following Mosaic law requirements)

12 Barnabas & Paul, declared what miracles & wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them

13 James said, Men & brethren, hearken unto me

14 Peter declared how God at the 1st did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name

15 The words of the prophets agree; as it is written (Amos 9:11-12)

16 I will return & will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord & "all the Gentiles" whom call upon my name, saith the Lord

18 God knows all his works from the beginning of the world

19 James says, that ""we trouble not them, among the Gentiles"" who have turned to God

20 We write to them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, from fornication, from things strangled & from blood
(NOTE: Find here the only requirements the Apostles give to Gentile Believers)

22 Then pleased it the apostles & elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul & Barnabas

23 They wrote letters by them after this manner; We apostles, elders & brethren send greeting to the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch & elsewhere
(NOTE: The Apostles send letters to ALL the Churches. PAY CLOSE ATTENTION To the NEXT VS OF SCRIPTURE)

24 Certain men which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised & keep the law: "to whom we gave no such commandment"
(NOTE: The Apostles proclaim to ALL the Churches. These Law promoting Pharisees LIED!. We NEVER said/commanded that Gentile believers must be circumcised & keep the law of Moses)

Matthew 5:18 King James Version (KJV)

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Thank you for posting a large portion of Acts 15. You must obey Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ and and Keep the Law of Moses, as he commanded. The Law of Moses and all the things contained therein must be kept by Followers of Messiah/Christ.

 

[posthuman]

Acts 21:10-11
And as we tarried [there] many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver [him] into the hands of the Gentiles.

The Holy Spirit said the Jews would bind Paul.

Acts 21:33
Then the chief captain came near, and took him, and commanded [him] to be bound with two chains; and demanded who he was, and what he had done.

According to Acts 21 the only literal physical bonds put on Paul's arms were placed there by gentile Romans, not Jews.

Did the Holy Spirit get this wrong?
Nope.
The bonds the Spirit of Prophecy spoke of was the vow the Jews compelled him to take.

Acts 21:23
Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow.

This is not Paul being under the law of Moses @Guojing
I wish you would quit spreading your false interpretation of this chapter.

1 Corinthians 9:20
To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.

Read that. That is this false 'separate gospels for Jews and Gentiles' doctrine obliterated with one verse.

 

[Dino246]

Thank you for posting a large portion of Acts 15. You must obey Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ and and Keep the Law of Moses, as he commanded. The Law of Moses and all the things contained therein must be kept by Followers of Messiah/Christ.

How can you read Acts 15 and come to that conclusion?

 

[FlyingDove]

Matthew 5:18 King James Version (KJV)

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Thank you for posting a large portion of Acts 15. You must obey Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ and and Keep the Law of Moses, as he commanded. The Law of Moses and all the things contained therein must be kept by Followers of Messiah/Christ.

Again, 1 verse is taken out of context & a false doctrine is promoted.

Study tips:

All scripture was written for believers. Not all scripture is written to believers.

When dissecting any verse of scripture. Ask yourself, of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what is written before and what follows any single verse context.
^^^Myles Coverdale, Bible theologian/translator^^^

God doesn't change (Heb 13:8). However He does change the way He deals with mankind. Noah, Abraham, the pre-resurrection Nation Israel & the post-resurrection Body of Christ/Church

Matt 5:18 So, ask: Who is writing? Matthew

Who’s he speaking to? Jews under the law. Jesus is sent to minister to the Jew only.

Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
(NOTE: God the Son made under the law)

Matthew 15:24 Jesus tells the Canaanite woman, "I am only sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
(NOTE: Jesus say's He's only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel )

Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, """Go not into the way of the Gentiles""" and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
(NOTE: Jesus tells the 12 DON'T go to Gentiles or Samaritans. BTW, Samaritans were Jews that had intermarried. And were seen as unclean by other Jews. They worshiped the same YHVH as all Jews did. They accepted Torah, 1st 5 books of the Bible only. They even had thier own temple on Mt Gerazim. (Jn 4:20).)

Rom 15:8 Now I say that """Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision""" for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(NOTE: Who was Jesus a minister of? The CIRCUMCISION/JEWS!)

Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an """unlawful""" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
(NOTE: Under the law, Jews couldn't keep company with gentiles. Jews never broke the law)

Gentiles ARE NOT a part of Jesus earthly in the flesh ministry.

After Jesus resurrection, Paul is Choosen By The Risen Lord

Acts 26:
Verse 15 The RISEN Lord reveals Himself to Saul/Paul

Verse 16 Paul Choosen to be a minister and eye witness

Verse 17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

The White Throne Judgement is coming (Rev 20:11-15) No believers are on trial here, Jesus paid for their sins were forgiven on the cross.

Everyone that refused to trust Christ's sin payment. Every sin will be judged & comdemed via the law.

Believer's/Christians will find themselves at the """Bema/Judgement Seat""" of Christ (2 Cor 5:10). The judgment seat of Christ does not determine salvation; that was determined by Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf (1 John 2:2). And our faith placed in Him (John 3:16)

Finally, I would implore you to read Acts 15.

 

[FlyingDove]

Understand Acts 15, Galatians 2 and Acts 21:20-25 holistically:

Everyone NO EXCEPTIONS always have been/are saved, via Faith. NOT via works or circumcision

Abraham, Faith, Justification & Righteousness

Gen 15:6 Abraham believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Galatians 3:6 Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

James 2: (B) Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness:

Romans 4:3 Abraham believed God, and it was counted (or imputed or credited) unto him for righteousness.

Romans chapter 4 teaches Abraham was justified = Declared Righteous by a sovereign God. Via Faith NOT Works, BEFORE he was circumcised

Rom 4:10
How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
(NOTE: Abraham was Declared Righteous before his circumcision)

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Romans 4 closes with these scriptures:
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
(NOTE: Abraham believer God)

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
(NOTE: A soverengn imputes/transfers righteousness onto Abraham thru Faith)

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
(NOTE: God imputes/transfers Christ's righteousness onto us, when we believe He died for our sins & rose again)

24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
(NOTE: God imputes/transfers Christ's righteousness onto us, when we belie

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
(NOTE: Christ's death paid for sin & belief/faith in His payment & resurrection is how we are justified = Declared righteous)

YOU SAID:
Thus, Gentiles are saved by the gospel of the uncircumcision, which did not include the Law. Paul and Barnabas are given exclusive guardianship over them. (Galatians 2)
(MY REPLY: Peter is the 1st to share Christ with the Gentiles. There is only ONE gospel Rom 10:12)


YOU SAID:
Peter James and John were given exclusive guardianship over the Jews who believe according to the gospel of the circumcision, which includes obedience to the Law of Moses. (Galatians 2)
(MY REPLY: Gal 2:16 Knowing that MAN = ALL men & women, Jew or Gentile)

YOU SAID
James and the elders recognized that the gospel of the uncircumcision was not meant for the Jews, recommend to Paul to also follow the Law. (Acts 21).
(MY REPLY: The following scriptures, Rom 2:28, 29, 3:30, Gal 5:6 & 6:15, also shared in post #235 disagree with your posted position

Finally,
I adamantly disagree with the notion, Paul was excluded from ministering to Jews after the hand shake with the Jerusalem leaders. I would also argue that like Acts 10. Peter & any other Apostle/elder in Jerusalem were NOT excluded from witnessing to a Gentile.

 

[FlyingDove]

Understand Acts 15, Galatians 2 and Acts 21:20-25 holistically:

My Reply
Everyone NO EXCEPTIONS always have been/are saved, via Faith. NOT via works or circumcision

Abraham, Faith, Justification & Righteousness

Gen 15:6 Abraham believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Galatians 3:6 Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

James 2: (B) Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness:

Romans 4:3 Abraham believed God, and it was counted (or imputed or credited) unto him for righteousness.

Romans chapter 4 teaches Abraham was justified = Declared Righteous by a sovereign God. Via Faith NOT Works, BEFORE he was circumcised

Rom 4:10
How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
(NOTE: Abraham was Declared Righteous before his circumcision)

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Romans 4 closes with these scriptures:
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
(NOTE: Abraham believer God)

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
(NOTE: A soverengn imputes/transfers righteousness onto Abraham thru Faith)

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
(NOTE: God imputes/transfers Christ's righteousness onto us, when we believe He died for our sins & rose again)

24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
(NOTE: God imputes/transfers Christ's righteousness onto us, when we belie

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
(NOTE: Christ's death paid for sin & belief/faith in His payment & resurrection is how we are justified = Declared righteous)

YOU SAID:
Thus, Gentiles are saved by the gospel of the uncircumcision, which did not include the Law. Paul and Barnabas are given exclusive guardianship over them. (Galatians 2)
(MY REPLY: Peter is the 1st to share Christ with the Gentiles. There is only ONE gospel Rom 10:12)


YOU SAID:
Peter James and John were given exclusive guardianship over the Jews who believe according to the gospel of the circumcision, which includes obedience to the Law of Moses. (Galatians 2)
(MY REPLY: Gal 2:16 Knowing that MAN = ALL men & women, Jew or Gentile)

YOU SAID
James and the elders recognized that the gospel of the uncircumcision was not meant for the Jews, recommend to Paul to also follow the Law. (Acts 21).
(MY REPLY: The following scriptures, Rom 2:28, 29, 3:30, Gal 5:6 & 6:15, also shared in post #235 disagree with your posted position

Finally,
I adamantly disagree with the notion, Paul was excluded from ministering to Jews after the hand shake with the Jerusalem leaders. I would also argue that like Acts 10. Peter & any other Apostle/elder in Jerusalem were NOT excluded from witnessing to a Gentile.

 

[Elihoenai]

Again, 1 verse is taken out of context & a false doctrine is promoted.

Study tips:

All scripture was written for believers. Not all scripture is written to believers.

When dissecting any verse of scripture. Ask yourself, of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what is written before and what follows any single verse context.
^^^Myles Coverdale, Bible theologian/translator^^^

God doesn't change (Heb 13:8). However He does change the way He deals with mankind. Noah, Abraham, the pre-resurrection Nation Israel & the post-resurrection Body of Christ/Church

Matt 5:18 So, ask: Who is writing? Matthew

Who’s he speaking to? Jews under the law. Jesus is sent to minister to the Jew only.

Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
(NOTE: God the Son made under the law)

Matthew 15:24 Jesus tells the Canaanite woman, "I am only sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
(NOTE: Jesus say's He's only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel )

Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, """Go not into the way of the Gentiles""" and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
(NOTE: Jesus tells the 12 DON'T go to Gentiles or Samaritans. BTW, Samaritans were Jews that had intermarried. And were seen as unclean by other Jews. They worshiped the same YHVH as all Jews did. They accepted Torah, 1st 5 books of the Bible only. They even had thier own temple on Mt Gerazim. (Jn 4:20).)

Rom 15:8 Now I say that """Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision""" for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(NOTE: Who was Jesus a minister of? The CIRCUMCISION/JEWS!)

Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an """unlawful""" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
(NOTE: Under the law, Jews couldn't keep company with gentiles. Jews never broke the law)

Gentiles ARE NOT a part of Jesus earthly in the flesh ministry.

After Jesus resurrection, Paul is Choosen By The Risen Lord

Acts 26:
Verse 15 The RISEN Lord reveals Himself to Saul/Paul

Verse 16 Paul Choosen to be a minister and eye witness

Verse 17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

The White Throne Judgement is coming (Rev 20:11-15) No believers are on trial here, Jesus paid for their sins were forgiven on the cross.

Everyone that refused to trust Christ's sin payment. Every sin will be judged & comdemed via the law.

Believer's/Christians will find themselves at the """Bema/Judgement Seat""" of Christ (2 Cor 5:10). The judgment seat of Christ does not determine salvation; that was determined by Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf (1 John 2:2). And our faith placed in Him (John 3:16)

Finally, I would implore you to read Acts 15.

Are you saying that none of Yeshua's/Jesus's teachings in the four Gospels are for Gentiles?

 

[FlyingDove]

Are you saying that none of Yeshua's/Jesus's teachings in the four Gospels are for Gentiles?

I made no such claim. If fact my reply began with this:

All scripture was written for believers. Not all scripture is written to believers.

Your one verse posted out of context. Broad brushed all people, Christion's & non-Christion's, into one group. My post explained, the law's required sin wage was yet to be paid. So, there are NO Christian's yet. Therefore the verse can't be applied to them.

If you're not going to read my replies. I see no point is continuing this debate. Best wishes, FD...

 

[Guojing]

My Reply
Everyone NO EXCEPTIONS always have been/are saved, via Faith. NOT via works or circumcision

Abraham, Faith, Justification & Righteousness

Gen 15:6 Abraham believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Galatians 3:6 Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

James 2: (B) Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness:

Romans 4:3 Abraham believed God, and it was counted (or imputed or credited) unto him for righteousness.

Romans chapter 4 teaches Abraham was justified = Declared Righteous by a sovereign God. Via Faith NOT Works, BEFORE he was circumcised

Rom 4:10
How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
(NOTE: Abraham was Declared Righteous before his circumcision)

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

Romans 4 closes with these scriptures:
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
(NOTE: Abraham believer God)

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
(NOTE: A soverengn imputes/transfers righteousness onto Abraham thru Faith)

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
(NOTE: God imputes/transfers Christ's righteousness onto us, when we believe He died for our sins & rose again)

24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
(NOTE: God imputes/transfers Christ's righteousness onto us, when we belie

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
(NOTE: Christ's death paid for sin & belief/faith in His payment & resurrection is how we are justified = Declared righteous)

YOU SAID:
Thus, Gentiles are saved by the gospel of the uncircumcision, which did not include the Law. Paul and Barnabas are given exclusive guardianship over them. (Galatians 2)
(MY REPLY: Peter is the 1st to share Christ with the Gentiles. There is only ONE gospel Rom 10:12)


YOU SAID:
Peter James and John were given exclusive guardianship over the Jews who believe according to the gospel of the circumcision, which includes obedience to the Law of Moses. (Galatians 2)
(MY REPLY: Gal 2:16 Knowing that MAN = ALL men & women, Jew or Gentile)

YOU SAID
James and the elders recognized that the gospel of the uncircumcision was not meant for the Jews, recommend to Paul to also follow the Law. (Acts 21).
(MY REPLY: The following scriptures, Rom 2:28, 29, 3:30, Gal 5:6 & 6:15, also shared in post #235 disagree with your posted position

Finally,
I adamantly disagree with the notion, Paul was excluded from ministering to Jews after the hand shake with the Jerusalem leaders. I would also argue that like Acts 10. Peter & any other Apostle/elder in Jerusalem were NOT excluded from witnessing to a Gentile.

I have provided my understanding of those 3 scripture passages. If its the first time you are hearing this, you will definitely find it difficult to accept.

Okay, anyway we are deviating from this thread purpose, so we can agree to disagree here.

 

[Guojing]

Again, 1 verse is taken out of context & a false doctrine is promoted.

Study tips:

All scripture was written for believers. Not all scripture is written to believers.

When dissecting any verse of scripture. Ask yourself, of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what is written before and what follows any single verse context.
^^^Myles Coverdale, Bible theologian/translator^^^

God doesn't change (Heb 13:8). However He does change the way He deals with mankind. Noah, Abraham, the pre-resurrection Nation Israel & the post-resurrection Body of Christ/Church

Matt 5:18 So, ask: Who is writing? Matthew

Who’s he speaking to? Jews under the law. Jesus is sent to minister to the Jew only.

Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
(NOTE: God the Son made under the law)

Matthew 15:24 Jesus tells the Canaanite woman, "I am only sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".
(NOTE: Jesus say's He's only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel )

Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, """Go not into the way of the Gentiles""" and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
(NOTE: Jesus tells the 12 DON'T go to Gentiles or Samaritans. BTW, Samaritans were Jews that had intermarried. And were seen as unclean by other Jews. They worshiped the same YHVH as all Jews did. They accepted Torah, 1st 5 books of the Bible only. They even had thier own temple on Mt Gerazim. (Jn 4:20).)

Rom 15:8 Now I say that """Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision""" for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(NOTE: Who was Jesus a minister of? The CIRCUMCISION/JEWS!)

Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an """unlawful""" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
(NOTE: Under the law, Jews couldn't keep company with gentiles. Jews never broke the law)

Gentiles ARE NOT a part of Jesus earthly in the flesh ministry.

After Jesus resurrection, Paul is Choosen By The Risen Lord

Acts 26:
Verse 15 The RISEN Lord reveals Himself to Saul/Paul

Verse 16 Paul Choosen to be a minister and eye witness

Verse 17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

The White Throne Judgement is coming (Rev 20:11-15) No believers are on trial here, Jesus paid for their sins were forgiven on the cross.

Everyone that refused to trust Christ's sin payment. Every sin will be judged & comdemed via the law.

Believer's/Christians will find themselves at the """Bema/Judgement Seat""" of Christ (2 Cor 5:10). The judgment seat of Christ does not determine salvation; that was determined by Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf (1 John 2:2). And our faith placed in Him (John 3:16)

Finally, I would implore you to read Acts 15.

This reply you made to another seems to hint that you are a dispensationalist. But your response to my post about the 3 scriptural passages Acts 15, Galatians 2 and Acts 21:20-25, indicated otherwise.

Are you one? If you are, I think you will be an Acts 2 or classical dispy. Am I correct?

 

[Guojing]

Paul's beef with Peter is that when these people from James weren't around Peter was living and preaching differently, but when these Jews came by, Peter hypocritically acted like there really was a different gospel for Jews. The reason Paul got in his face about it is that that is not true. There is one gospel, to both Jew and gentile alike.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Yep, so this lays to rest the notion that Peter had the final say in the Acts 15 Council. In vs 10 and 11, he tried to proclaim that Jews who believe should also be free from the Law, as the Gentiles who believe are.

Unfortunately James shut that proposal down and only declared that Gentiles who believed are free from the Law, in his final judgement.

That gives rise to the gospel of the circumcision and the gospel of the uncircumcision, recorded in Galatians 2.

 

[FlyingDove]

This reply you made to another seems to hint that you are a dispensationalist. But your response to my post about the 3 scriptural passages Acts 15, Galatians 2 and Acts 21:20-25, indicated otherwise.

Are you one? If you are, I think you will be an Acts 2 or classical dispy. Am I correct?

You tell me.

KJV Dictionary Definition: DISPENSATION, n. L. See Dispense.

The dealing of God to his creatures; the distribution of good and evil, natural or moral, in the divine government.

That which is dispensed or bestowed; a system of principles and rites enjoined; as the Mosaic dispensation; the gospel dispensation; including, the former the Levitical law and rites; the latter the scheme of redemption by Christ.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words: Dispensation - Greek = oikonomia, Noun Feminine, Strong's #3622)

primarily signifies "the management of a household or of household affairs" (oikos, "a house," nomos, "a law"); then the management or administration of the property of others, and so "a stewardship.

In the Epistles of Paul, who applies it:
(a) to the responsibility entrusted to him of preaching the Gospel, 1 Corinthians 9:17 (RV, "stewardship," AV, "dispensation");

(b) to the stewardship commited to him "to fulfill the Word of God," the fulfillment being the unfolding of the completion of the Divinely arranged and imparted cycle of truths which are consummated in the truth relating to the Church as the Body of Christ, Col 1:25 (RV and AV, "dispensation"); so in Ephesians 3:2, of the grace of God given him as a stewardship ("dispensation") in regard to the same "mystery;"

(c) in Ephesians 1:10 ; 3:9 , it is used of the arrangement or administration by God, by which in "the fullness of the times" (or seasons) God will sum up all things in the heavens and on earth in Christ.

(MY NOTE: A "dispensation" is an arrangement, a mode of dealing with or administration/stewardship/minister of affairs via times & seasons)

Parsing the 5 verses from Vines Dictionary definition of Dispensation above:
1 Cor 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
(NOTE: Paul says: The stewardship/despenation/managemnt of the gospel, of the grace of God (see Acts 20:24) was given/committed to HIM)

Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
(NOTE: Paul was chosen/made to be a minister, to manage the dispensing of the gospel, of the grace of God. Paul say's, the word of God is given to me/HIM, to share with us)

Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
(NOTE: The management/despenation/stewardship of the gospel, of the grace of God (See Acts 20:24) was given to Paul, to give, to us)

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him
(NOTE: The dispensation/arrangement or administration by God, by which in "the fullness of the times" (or seasons) God will sum up all things, that are in Christ)

KJV Dictionary Definition: mystery - MYS'TERY, a secret. (1) A profound secret; something wholly unknown or something kept cautiously concealed)

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
(NOTE: The FELLOWSHIP mystery/secret thats been HIDDEN IN GOD. Is that salvation would be opened/offered to gentiles, VOID, of Mosiac Law keeping & Temple sacrifices)

(NOTE: Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words: Mystery (Strong's #3466 Noun Neuter musterion) a "mystery" implies knowledge withheld; its Scriptual significance is truth revealed, "made known," "manifested," "revealed," "preached," "understand," "dispensation.

The RISEN Christ, says to Paul:
Acts 26:16 I have appeared to u to make u a "minister" & "witness" of these things which u have seen, & of things that I will show u
(NOTE: Christ makes Paul a Minister/steward/manager)

17 I Delivered u from the Jews, & the "Gentiles, to whom now I send thee"
(NOTE: The RISEN Christ sends Paul to Minister/steward/a manager of God's word to the Gentiles)

Pauls gospel of the grace of God. Given to Paul to give to us is:
1 Cor 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
(NOTE: Paul declares the gospel given to him by direct Revelation from the RISEN Christ)

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
(NOTE: The Gospel you are SAVED by is

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
(NOTE: That Christ DIED for your SINS)

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(NOTE: That Christ was BURIED & ROSE on the 3rd day)
Christ DIED for your SINS was buried & ROSE on the 3rd day!

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(NOTE: Confess Christ as Lord & believe God RAISED him from the dead)

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(NOTE: Your verbal proclmation that Jesus is Lord leads you toward salvation. Your heart felt/Holy Spirit inspired belief in Christ's resurrection leads unto righteousness.

What exactly was it that Abraham believes whereby God imputed/charged him righteous

Heb 11:
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
NOTE: Abraham BELIEVED God could RAISE Issac from the dead. Find Abraham context from vs 17)

Rom 4:
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
(NOTE: Abraham believed/had faith that God could RAISE Issac from the dead. Based on Abraham's FAITH God counted/IMPUTED Declared Abraham righteous)

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
(NOTE: It wasn't by keeping any laws or preforming any works, that God declared Abraham righteous. It was by FAITH in God, that God, declared Abraham righteous)

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
(NOTE When we believe Jesus took our judgment & paid for ALL our sin. And was RAISED from the dead. God declares us righteous in His sight)

 

[Guojing]

You tell me.

KJV Dictionary Definition: DISPENSATION, n. L. See Dispense.

The dealing of God to his creatures; the distribution of good and evil, natural or moral, in the divine government.

That which is dispensed or bestowed; a system of principles and rites enjoined; as the Mosaic dispensation; the gospel dispensation; including, the former the Levitical law and rites; the latter the scheme of redemption by Christ.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words: Dispensation - Greek = oikonomia, Noun Feminine, Strong's #3622)

primarily signifies "the management of a household or of household affairs" (oikos, "a house," nomos, "a law"); then the management or administration of the property of others, and so "a stewardship.

In the Epistles of Paul, who applies it:
(a) to the responsibility entrusted to him of preaching the Gospel, 1 Corinthians 9:17 (RV, "stewardship," AV, "dispensation");

(b) to the stewardship commited to him "to fulfill the Word of God," the fulfillment being the unfolding of the completion of the Divinely arranged and imparted cycle of truths which are consummated in the truth relating to the Church as the Body of Christ, Col 1:25 (RV and AV, "dispensation"); so in Ephesians 3:2, of the grace of God given him as a stewardship ("dispensation") in regard to the same "mystery;"

(c) in Ephesians 1:10 ; 3:9 , it is used of the arrangement or administration by God, by which in "the fullness of the times" (or seasons) God will sum up all things in the heavens and on earth in Christ.

(MY NOTE: A "dispensation" is an arrangement, a mode of dealing with or administration/stewardship/minister of affairs via times & seasons)

Parsing the 5 verses from Vines Dictionary definition of Dispensation above:
1 Cor 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
(NOTE: Paul says: The stewardship/despenation/managemnt of the gospel, of the grace of God (see Acts 20:24) was given/committed to HIM)

Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
(NOTE: Paul was chosen/made to be a minister, to manage the dispensing of the gospel, of the grace of God. Paul say's, the word of God is given to me/HIM, to share with us)

Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
(NOTE: The management/despenation/stewardship of the gospel, of the grace of God (See Acts 20:24) was given to Paul, to give, to us)

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him
(NOTE: The dispensation/arrangement or administration by God, by which in "the fullness of the times" (or seasons) God will sum up all things, that are in Christ)

KJV Dictionary Definition: mystery - MYS'TERY, a secret. (1) A profound secret; something wholly unknown or something kept cautiously concealed)

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
(NOTE: The FELLOWSHIP mystery/secret thats been HIDDEN IN GOD. Is that salvation would be opened/offered to gentiles, VOID, of Mosiac Law keeping & Temple sacrifices)

(NOTE: Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words: Mystery (Strong's #3466 Noun Neuter musterion) a "mystery" implies knowledge withheld; its Scriptual significance is truth revealed, "made known," "manifested," "revealed," "preached," "understand," "dispensation.

The RISEN Christ, says to Paul:
Acts 26:16 I have appeared to u to make u a "minister" & "witness" of these things which u have seen, & of things that I will show u
(NOTE: Christ makes Paul a Minister/steward/manager)

17 I Delivered u from the Jews, & the "Gentiles, to whom now I send thee"
(NOTE: The RISEN Christ sends Paul to Minister/steward/a manager of God's word to the Gentiles)

Pauls gospel of the grace of God. Given to Paul to give to us is:
1 Cor 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
(NOTE: Paul declares the gospel given to him by direct Revelation from the RISEN Christ)

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
(NOTE: The Gospel you are SAVED by is

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
(NOTE: That Christ DIED for your SINS)

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
(NOTE: That Christ was BURIED & ROSE on the 3rd day)
Christ DIED for your SINS was buried & ROSE on the 3rd day!

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(NOTE: Confess Christ as Lord & believe God RAISED him from the dead)

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(NOTE: Your verbal proclmation that Jesus is Lord leads you toward salvation. Your heart felt/Holy Spirit inspired belief in Christ's resurrection leads unto righteousness.

What exactly was it that Abraham believes whereby God imputed/charged him righteous

Heb 11:
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
NOTE: Abraham BELIEVED God could RAISE Issac from the dead. Find Abraham context from vs 17)

Rom 4:
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
(NOTE: Abraham believed/had faith that God could RAISE Issac from the dead. Based on Abraham's FAITH God counted/IMPUTED Declared Abraham righteous)

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
(NOTE: It wasn't by keeping any laws or preforming any works, that God declared Abraham righteous. It was by FAITH in God, that God, declared Abraham righteous)

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;

24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
(NOTE When we believe Jesus took our judgment & paid for ALL our sin. And was RAISED from the dead. God declares us righteous in His sight)

You don't like to answer people's questions about your beliefs directly? Are you a dispy or not?

 

[posthuman]

Yep, so this lays to rest the notion that Peter had the final say in the Acts 15 Council. In vs 10 and 11, he tried to proclaim that Jews who believe should also be free from the Law, as the Gentiles who believe are.

Unfortunately James shut that proposal down and only declared that Gentiles who believed are free from the Law, in his final judgement.

That gives rise to the gospel of the circumcision and the gospel of the uncircumcision, recorded in Galatians 2.

you are totally blowing past the fact that Peter, a Jew, was not 'living as a Jew' but as a gentile, and that his life and they way he lived it were tacitly compelling to gentiles as a model for how they ought to live.

that completely destroys your teaching that Peter, a Jew, was not a minister to the gentiles, and was himself still under Moses.

one gospel, first to the Jews, also to the Gentiles. one.

you ought to either try to search for an explanation for the myriad objections and contradictions of scripture this double-minded gospel you believe, or stop teaching it. you shouldn't go on believing - much less trying to preach - something you cannot defend. the Bible does not say what you go around telling people it says. believing pharisees visiting Antioch tempting Peter and "even Barnabas" to go "astray" and fall into "hypocrisy" ((Galatians 2:13)) doesn't prove that the Jews are not saved by the same grace that saves the Gentiles.

you can say, 'oh we won't agree so i won't talk about it' but i'm not going to stop calling out things contrary to the Word.

 

[Guojing]

you are totally blowing past the fact that Peter, a Jew, was not 'living as a Jew' but as a gentile, and that his life and they way he lived it were tacitly compelling to gentiles as a model for how they ought to live.

that completely destroys your teaching that Peter, a Jew, was not a minister to the gentiles, and was himself still under Moses.

one gospel, first to the Jews, also to the Gentiles. one.

you ought to either try to search for an explanation for the myriad objections and contradictions of scripture this double-minded gospel you believe, or stop teaching it. you shouldn't go on believing - much less trying to preach - something you cannot defend. the Bible does not say what you go around telling people it says. believing pharisees visiting Antioch tempting Peter and "even Barnabas" to go "astray" and fall into "hypocrisy" ((Galatians 2:13)) doesn't prove that the Jews are not saved by the same grace that saves the Gentiles.

you can say, 'oh we won't agree so i won't talk about it' but i'm not going to stop calling out things contrary to the Word.

When you concluded in your earlier post,

The reason Paul got in his face about it is that that is not true. There is one gospel, to both Jew and gentile alike.

that is your specific interpretation of what Paul was trying to do. It is natural that there will be people who interpret differently from you. I view what went down during the Jerusalem Council event, as stated in Acts 15 and Galatians 2, differently from you.

You have yours, and I have mine.

 

[posthuman]

When you concluded in your earlier post,

The reason Paul got in his face about it is that that is not true. There is one gospel, to both Jew and gentile alike.

that is your specific interpretation of what Paul was trying to do. It is natural that there will be people who interpret differently from you. I view what went down during the Jerusalem Council event, as stated in Acts 15 and Galatians 2, differently from you.

You have yours, and I have mine.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes:
first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
(Romans 1:16)
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explain why "the gospel" is ubiquitously singular if the teaching that there are plural gospels is not false.
why Paul preaches to both Jews and Gentiles and why Peter is an exemplar to both Jews and Gentiles.
why there is no longer Jew nor Greek in Christ. why Paul, a Jew, specifically says he 'became like a Jew' to reach Jews.
explain why Paul, a Jew, says he is not under the law, since you say that Paul, a Jewish believer, is still under the law.

'my view contradicts the Bible but that's fine let's not make a fuss' is not a graceful exit. you seriously need to either learn to defend this stuff or stop trying to teach it so long as you are unwilling/unable to give an answer for what you believe.