Tithe!

[StandingFirmInChrist]

My answer to the seeming “carry-over” into the New Testament of certaincommandments written in the Old:

I call this “Obey the Law of the Land in Which You Live”

The Word of God assures us that we do not have to keep the Mosaic Law. (this would include the original 10 Commandments written by the finger of God, along with the remaining 603 Commandments given to Moses for the children of Israel at a later date) It was for Israel alone. (see Psalm 147:19-20 )

While some things in the Law seem to be repeated in the Pauline epistles, that does not mean we are keeping the Mosaic Law. That which is written in the epistles is in a completely different jurisdiction.

Let me give you an example. I was born in Tripoli, Libya, North Africa. There were laws there that my parents had to observe. When mother moved after my dad’s death, the laws of Tripoli did not follow her. We moved to an entirely new jurisdiction. If I stole something here, I would not be tried by the laws of Tripoli. I would, instead, be charged under the laws governing the geographical location in which I live.

Now, as long as I remain where I am, I will not be required to live by the Laws of Tripoli. However, if I should happen to move back to Tripoli, I will be subject to the laws of that geographical location. I will be in that jurisdiction.

It is the same regarding those ordinances of the Old Testament. If I choose to abide in the House of the Law, I am subject to, not just any law I choose to my liking, but to all the laws set forth for the residents thereof. If i choose to obey the tithe command, I must obey all other commands legislated for the citizens of that jurisdiction. (Gal. 3:10) This would include animal sacrifices, stoning of disobedient children, not wearing garments that have two different fabrics in the weave, a battlement on my roof, etc..

James said in Acts 21 that there is no command given for Gentiles to keep the Mosaic Law. Paul said in Romans 4 that we are not under the Law, but under Grace.

Paul further said in Romans 7 that it is comparable to adultery to go to the house of the Law when one is married to Jesus Christ. (the Bible identifies the Church, that’s us, as the Bride of Christ) Galatians 3 states that it is foolish to subject ourselves to the Mosaic Law. In 1 Timothy 1, the Mosaic Law is not for the righteous.

Over and over, in more than the above examples, we are shown that we are not to go under that old system. Best to focus on Christ, and His finished Work and leave the Law for those who oppose Christ. The Law will be their judge, for they choose to live under its jurisdiction instead of under the merciful Grace of the Redeemer.

 

[fredoheaven]

Here is a biblical example to keep some element of the Law

Ephesians 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

Correlating verses in the the OT are found in Exo 20:12; Deu 27:16; Pro 20:20; Jer 35:18; Eze 22:7; Mal 1:6 which under the Mosaic Law yet where Paul reinforced this idea with reference to Deut. 5:16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

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These verses proves the law in the Old Testament is not abolished!

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Ephesians is an entirely new Law in an entirely different jurisdiction.

Acts 15:5,10,19-20 & Galatians 3:10 both prove we are not under the Law, nor are we to be brough under the Law.

 

[fredoheaven]

Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans serif]This speaks Paul to the Galatians believers...Gentile indeed![/FONT]

 

[roaringkitten]

You are deeply, fundamentally fouled up, damning the Church. It's not a healthy thing to attack the Body of Christ.

It's not healthy to lie and extort money from the poor by teaching things you ought to not be teaching! I saw NO spiritual blessings from any tithe preaching churches...just materialism and a religious atmosphere.

You err from the start W$!

 

[Agricola]

It's not healthy to lie and extort money from the poor by teaching things you ought to not be teaching! I saw NO spiritual blessings from any tithe preaching churches...just materialism and a religious atmosphere.

You err from the start W$!

I am not surprised at all, most of the so called pastors are just con artists and peddling lies.

However "tithing" is something God wants and blesses us with, if you do not like the word tithing and want to be legalistic about it then fine, just use giving back to God what is his. God tells me to do stuff with money I earn, which I do, I am blessed and am hardly living in rags and going hungry.

 

[roaringkitten]

Even as, or so as, the Levitical priesthood was supported (by tithes) shall the modern priesthood ministers be supported. Again, you are totally avoiding a plainly written command, issued through Paul.

Does your modern priesthood pastor lawfully offer a heave offering of the tithes he receives as stated in the Word?

"Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the Lord, even a tenth part of the tithe." Num 18:26

Because if he isn't, he's only being partial in the law and don't you remember the curse put upon priests for being "partial in the law"(Malachi 2:9)?

 

[roaringkitten]

I am not surprised at all, most of the so called pastors are just con artists and peddling lies.

However "tithing" is something God wants and blesses us with, if you do not like the word tithing and want to be legalistic about it then fine, just use giving back to God what is his. God tells me to do stuff with money I earn, which I do, I am blessed and am hardly living in rags and going hungry.

I have given food to poor people in the church who were in need, for they weren't able to buy it w/o money. While at the same time, the pastor is threatening them with curses if they didn't fork over 10%! I have a big problem with lying scoundrels in the pulpit who spew threats especially to those in need(ie: the poor).

 

[Yet]

I am not surprised at all, most of the so called pastors are just con artists and peddling lies.

However "tithing" is something God wants and blesses us with, if you do not like the word tithing and want to be legalistic about it then fine, just use giving back to God what is his. God tells me to do stuff with money I earn, which I do, I am blessed and am hardly living in rags and going hungry.

Gives us a verse, just one, that says that tithing is what God wants.

What do you do for a living?

 

[pwrnJC]

fredoheaven...the OLD TESTAMENT shows GOD with man. The New TESTAMENT shows GOD In man. When we have the Holy Spirit within us, walking daily and abiding in HIM...HE totally expresses the Law, HE is the Law, HE is our Supreme Commander, and so much more. The Law takes BACK SEAT when we have JESUS CHRIST as our Pilot. The Law you speak of was not written in blood nor was it covered in blood at that time. There is POWER in the blood of the Lamb, wonder working power!

 

[fredoheaven]

fredoheaven...the OLD TESTAMENT shows GOD with man. The New TESTAMENT shows GOD In man. When we have the Holy Spirit within us, walking daily and abiding in HIM...HE totally expresses the Law, HE is the Law, HE is our Supreme Commander, and so much more. The Law takes BACK SEAT when we have JESUS CHRIST as our Pilot. The Law you speak of was not written in blood nor was it covered in blood at that time. There is POWER in the blood of the Lamb, wonder working power!

Yep sir! Good one! There's is power in the Blood...Like it...O yes, I'm saved by the Blood of the Lamb.

God bless!

 

[Yet]

Matt. 24:11-12. And many false prophets(shepherds) shall arise, and shall deceive many.

And because (of deceptive doctrines like hierarchy and tithing) which is lawlessness (Christs truths and laws turned upside down) the LOVE OF MANY (sitting in the pews obeying 'for doctrines the commandments of men') SHALL WAX COLD!

This clearly explains why natural affection and gratefulness is dead. I've seen and experienced this about many Christians for years.
Lawlessness: There is a way that SEEMS RIGHT unto a man but the end thereof is destruction.

Churchianity seems right to most, but it has no resemblance to the first century ecclesia whatsoever.

And if if you bring up the word of God and shine it's pure light on 'church' practices, you'll be castigated and 'cast out of the sin-agogue'.

Welcome to the 'night of the living dead'. Zombies, sheep without a shepherd, a true shepherd that is. Blindly following blind guides in the ditch of delusion and devastation. Hirelings devouring widows houses and the widows obediently lifting their voices' praise the Lord, hallelujah.'

Pimps selling the gospel at a premium, financially subverting whole houses. The well to do boasting 'I pay my tithes faithfully. Look how blessed I am'. The heathen working the same job this boaster does and he is just as blessed financially as this stellar tithing Saint.

So far not one tither has stepped forward to give us the scriptures that have changed the OT Tithes that 'took care of the poor' to today's church command 'the poor must pay tithes'. Hypocrites!

 

[fredoheaven]

I have given food to poor people in the church who were in need, for they weren't able to buy it w/o money. While at the same time, the pastor is threatening them with curses if they didn't fork over 10%! I have a big problem with lying scoundrels in the pulpit who spew threats especially to those in need(ie: the poor).

Hi.

How did you know the pastor is threatening them? Are you a member of that church? But anyway, it's good you have given food to the poor people in the church. You're such a blessing, i think we need more people in the church like you.

God bless

 

[Yet]

Hi.

How did you know the pastor is threatening them? Are you a member of that church? But anyway, it's good you have given food to the poor people in the church. You're such a blessing, i think we need more people in the church like you.

God bless

Malachi 3:9-10 is used to whip the sheep into obedient tithing. Curses are wielded as a bludgeon.

Check the NT. Threatening the folks in order to lift their wallets isn't there. God is God the Father, not a godfather sending out his henchmen to extract protection money from the struggling. The Chicago godfathers would promise violence on those that didn't pay up. Pastors threaten Malachi curses on those that don't pay the protection money, filthy lucre.

Therefore MY sheep live in bondage in the organized church because they have no knowledge of the word of God, they don't search the scriptures 'as the Bereans to see if these things be so'. And their men of honor are brought in subjection, brought low, and the sheep dried up with thirst for the true word of God that has been replaced with the doctrines of men and of Devils.

Therefore HELL has opened her mouth wide to receive those leaders with their GLORY, their MULTITUDE: hamon: abundant Confusion (Babylonian lies) and their Pomp: saon:loud noise, waste, (up front, in the lime light instead of in the LAMB light, all a waste of God's time) and their rejoicing: alez: exultant partying, robbing sheep for fun and profit, shall descend into it. Isaiah 5:13-14 My expounding.

 

[roaringkitten]

Hi.

How did you know the pastor is threatening them? Are you a member of that church? But anyway, it's good you have given food to the poor people in the church. You're such a blessing, i think we need more people in the church like you.

God bless

I had to sadly leave such churches a while ago due to the pastors spiritually abusing them, not just because the pastors threaten them curses by God(they used Malachi 3:8-10), but they were trying to control their lives and teaching a watered down gospel. I was there trying to help teach the Word of God to the believers, and reaching out to the community, but the pastors had a different agenda. I don't need to give money to the church, I can give the basic necessities directly to those in need, and the spiritual food, the Word of God, that lasts forever!

As I have stated before, it is a personal matter between me and God to whom and how much I give(sometimes I may be led to give to a church or ministry). I am not Biblically qualified to offer tithes, but I also believe in being generous and helping those in need!

 

[Agricola]

Gives us a verse, just one, that says that tithing is what God wants.

What do you do for a living?

I refer you to the quotes around Tithing, and the rest of my post again seems you can not get past the word tithe without it building up resentment about it.

God provided me with a job, I work for a major bank, I have good pay, I asked God what to do with 10% odd of my money and God tells me. TO start with it was just pay off debt, now I am giving it away to those who need it, God tells me who.

 

[Yet]

I had to sadly leave such churches a while ago due to the pastors spiritually abusing them, not just because the pastors threaten them curses by God(they used Malachi 3:8-10), but they were trying to control their lives and teaching a watered down gospel. I was there trying to help teach the Word of God to the believers, and reaching out to the community, but the pastors had a different agenda. I don't need to give money to the church, I can give the basic necessities directly to those in need, and the spiritual food, the Word of God, that lasts forever!

As I have stated before, it is a personal matter between me and God to whom and how much I give(sometimes I may be led to give to a church or ministry). I am not Biblically qualified to offer tithes, but I also believe in being generous and helping those in need!

Roaringkitten....I like you already. More than that. I love ya to pieces. I just love bumping into someone that actually understands these issues according to the word of God. Stay the course though it may be a lonely path. God's looking for a few good servants to 'tell it straight'. And fear NOT for the looks on their faces. I AM with you to deliver you. Jeremiah 1:8

Stay free and don't let them 'entangle you with a yoke of bondage'. Galatians 5:1

 

[Yet]

I refer you to the quotes around Tithing, and the rest of my post again seems you can not get past the word tithe without it building up resentment about it.

God provided me with a job, I work for a major bank, I have good pay, I asked God what to do with 10% odd of my money and God tells me. TO start with it was just pay off debt, now I am giving it away to those who need it, God tells me who.

Yes, I resent falsehood. Don't you?

You get good pay eh? So tithing is easy for you! You need to quit your job and go to work for Burger King a while. Pay your tithes then come back and let us know how that is working out for you. Will you take the challenge? I didn't think so. Let us know.

 

[hornetguy]

Yes, I resent falsehood. Don't you?

You get good pay eh? So tithing is easy for you! You need to quit your job and go to work for Burger King a while. Pay your tithes then come back and let us know how that is working out for you. Will you take the challenge? I didn't think so. Let us know.

Ok, I said I was out of this, but I can't stand it...

Why in the world would you ask him to quit his job and take a lesser-paying one? What in the world is THAT supposed to prove? If he decides to give 10% of his income while making $100,000 a year, wouldn't he still be willing to part with 10% of $25,000 a year?

Is there a method to your madness, or are you simply trying to state that "poor" people shouldn't give to the church, or to help others? If that is your intent, perhaps you should go back and read about the poor widow that gave ALL she had....

This blind obsession of yours is wearing thin... people should give as they purpose in their heart, or as they've been prospered. If someone wants to say they want to arbitrarily make that 10%, then, God bless them!

And God bless you, too....

 

[Yet]

Ok, I said I was out of this, but I can't stand it...

Why in the world would you ask him to quit his job and take a lesser-paying one? What in the world is THAT supposed to prove? If he decides to give 10% of his income while making $100,000 a year, wouldn't he still be willing to part with 10% of $25,000 a year?

Is there a method to your madness, or are you simply trying to state that "poor" people shouldn't give to the church, or to help others? If that is your intent, perhaps you should go back and read about the poor widow that gave ALL she had....

This blind obsession of yours is wearing thin... people should give as they purpose in their heart, or as they've been prospered. If someone wants to say they want to arbitrarily make that 10%, then, God bless them!

And God bless you, too....

Actually simple. A lot of folks in the DEN are widows and the poor. Tithing for them is not an 'easy yoke'. Tithing for the well to do takes no sweat.