Tithe!

[Dino246]

Tithing is giving. It was only required in the OT. In the NT it is a gift to God and God uses that gift to further the gospel and to feed His flock. With out the tithe we would be starved of the bread that should be in His house.

Umm, no. "Thus all the tithe of the land of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's; it is holy to the Lord." (Lev. 27:30). One does not 'give' to the Lord what is already holy to the Lord.

A simple question, the answer to which will clearly show your error. If I give three percent of my income to the Lord through the local church congregation, can that money be used to further the gospel and to feed His flock? Please answer either with 'yes' or 'no'.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Said that wrong that a church WITHOUT money can not exist. Show me how?

A Church that relies on its members yielding to the monetary tithe requirement doctrine in order to exist may as well write ICHABOD on its doorposts and close its doors.

Their preaching false doctrine and their dependence on people yielding to false doctrine proves they are not of God.

 

[Yet]

Acts 17:30. ...at one time God over looked ignorance (of His word) but now commands men (and the he church) everywhere to REPENT....

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

I guess I grew up in a similar situation. Tithing seems to have been such a holy and sacred cow that I never thought to question it or be Berrean about it. I knew that it was tied in with the magic fraction of 1/10, but assumed that if everyone else in my little pond was doing it, then it must be right. I now realize that one who has a mind and desire to live for Christ and die to self is apt to give a whole lot more than 10% of his filthy lucre. Out with the OT way, in with the new and better way.

If pastors are going to preach the O.T. and use the law(especially Malachi), then they ought to be preaching three types of tithes and closer to 24% instead of the 10% gibberish.

If they are going to preach the O.T. and Abram, then they should be demanding people give all instead of 10% and only apply it to monies/possessions gained from wars.

Perhaps pastors should be preaching war more. Gotta think, with the way things are these days, many adult males have nephews who are in trouble?

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Every seventh year, the land was to rest. No planting, no harvesting.

Not sure if God prevented births among flocks and herds though, so there may have been a livestock tithe the seventh year.

And the Jubilee year. No planting every 50th year. Leviticus 25.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Tithing is giving. It was only required in the OT. In the NT it is a gift to God and God uses that gift to further the gospel and to feed His flock. With out the tithe we would be starved of the bread that should be in His house.

With out the tithe we would be starved of the bread that should be in His house. Not all churches teach tithing(10%) and they still exist. Not all influential pastors teach tithing(10%), yet their ministries continue. Tithing(10%) hasn't been taught throughout Christian history, either, and the church continues.

You said tithing(10%) was only a required giving in the O.T. and then two sentences later demand a tithe(10%) for the modern church. Tithing(10%) opponents generally don't object to giving, but they do object to the set minimum amount of a tithe(10%). Giving doesn't have a set %. It has no minimum or maximum; only what the Lord instructs him/her to give.

Did you see that Fredoheaven, a pro-tither, answered my T/F statements?

Here are some T/F statements for tithing supporters:

1. T/F - All tithes in O.T. times were brought to the storehouse.
2. T/F - Tithes were always delivered to the storehouse by the tither.
3. T/F - Tithes and firstfruits and offerings are all the same thing; the words are synonymous.
4. T/F - In O.T. times, Israelites were allowed to eat part of a tithe.
5. T/F - In O.T. times, one tithe was due on agriculture and livestock.
6. T/F - In O.T. times, the first of every 10 animals was part of a tithe. It was to be the finest and best of the flock.
7. T/F - In O.T. times, tithing was done on agriculture every year.
8. T/F - In O.T. times, the Israelites were encouraged to tithe on cash/coins/precious metals.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Last year, I was chosen to be on a “Dream Team” of top notch Bible Scholars to defend a client who discovered that her pastor had been taking tithes from her for several years under the color of “official right”, even though the Word of God reveals that she was never required to tithe her money to the Church from the beginning.


Does she have a case? Is her request to be compensated restitution of all tithe money justified?


Since I was brought on board with the “Dream Team”, I needed to go to the Book of the Law to see what it says concerning stealing and restitution… I also needed to take appropriate action if it was proven that the pastor had stolen from my client by relying on what is written in the Law in order to practice his deceit.


Before going to the Law, I examined the writings of the Apostle Paul concerning those who are under the Law. I found the following verse:


Galatians 3:10 (KJV) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.


From the above verse, I determined that the pastor who relies on the Law, “The tithes of the land are the Lord’s”, must also submit to the remaining 612 ordinances contained in that Law.


That fact established, I searched the Law books to see what they say about restitution. I discovered that the Law did call for thieves to repay that which they were guilty of stealing.


Leviticus 6:2 (KJV) If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbour in that which was delivered him to keep, or in fellowship, or in a thing taken away by violence, or hath deceived his neighbour;


Leviticus 6:3 (KJV) Or have found that which was lost, and lieth concerning it, and sweareth falsely; in any of all these that a man doeth, sinning therein:


Leviticus 6:4 (KJV) Then it shall be, because he hath sinned, and is guilty, that he shall restore that which he took violently away, or the thing which he hath deceitfully gotten, or that which was delivered him to keep, or the lost thing which he found,


Leviticus 6:5 (KJV) Or all that about which he hath sworn falsely; he shall even restore it in the principal, and shall add the fifth part more thereto, [and] give it unto him to whom it appertaineth, in the day of his trespass offering.


Leviticus 6:6 (KJV) And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest:.


According to the above verses, found in the very Law that the pastor used to extort money from my client, and since Leviticus 27:30-33 identifies God’s holy tithes as agricultural, not monetary, I was able to prove that the pastor did indeed owe my client whom he had robbed, restitution… He was required to repay all money which he had taken from my client unlawfully, adding to that amount an additional 20% as the Law demanded.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

Hi,
This is the way I see it.

A reference to the Book of Malachi in connection with what Apostle Paul statement as the “…laying by him in store …” is not contrary but rather making an impression for the “storehouse” giving in the OT by the people of God. If it’s not, then Apostle Paul would have used other words such as “save”, “keep”, “set aside” or “put aside” however, by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, these were not used in such a way they can bring damage to the connection with Prophet Malachi’s teaching of tithes and of Apostle Paul.

The tithe is 10% and more than the tithe is the Offering. As used by Malachi, it was in reference to the Heave Offering. Heave Offering is computed as the “tenth part of the tithe” thus 10% x 10% is 1%. The Law demands that the 1% (heave offering) be given. A quick question, is Offering not a giving? I believe both the OT and the NT refers to it as Giving. If it is giving, therefore, the base must be the tithe. The Bible says the “tithes and offerings” and not the “the tithes plus offerings”. In 2 Corinthians 8:5, the basis for the stewardship and hence Christian Giving was discovered by the exemplary of the Macedonia. They first gave themselves to God so that everything else is an easy task, in other words, the Macedonian believers will never have even the difficulty with the tithes and offerings.

Further, the NT giving is characterized by freedom (2 Corinthians 9:6-7) and responsible planning (1 Corinthians 16:2). But freedom does not negate the validity of the tithe since tithing is the natural and basic expression of stewardship. Jesus demands more than the precise compliance with the tithe but He sanctions at least the practice of tithing. Though stewardship may include more than the tithe, it is never less than the tithe.

God bless…

Fredoheaven = black text
Test_f_i_2_luv = green text



Hi,
This is the way I see it.

A reference to the Book of Malachi in connection with what Apostle Paul statement as the “…laying by him in store …” is not contrary but rather making an impression for the “storehouse” giving in the OT by the people of God. If it’s not, then Apostle Paul would have used other words such as “save”, “keep”, “set aside” or “put aside” however, by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, these were not used in such a way they can bring damage to the connection with Prophet Malachi’s teaching of tithes and of Apostle Paul.

Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. -1 Cor 16:2(KJV)

Where would the words "save", "keep", "set aside", "put away" be in 1 Cor 16:2, if, as you see it, Paul wasn't trying to connect his writing with Malachi? How would the verse be written with those words?


The tithe is 10% and more than the tithe is the Offering. As used by Malachi, it was in reference to the Heave Offering. Heave Offering is computed as the “tenth part of the tithe” thus 10% x 10% is 1%. The Law demands that the 1% (heave offering) be given. A quick question, is Offering not a giving? I believe both the OT and the NT refers to it as Giving. If it is giving, therefore, the base must be the tithe. The Bible says the “tithes and offerings” and not the “the tithes plus offerings”. In 2 Corinthians 8:5, the basis for the stewardship and hence Christian Giving was discovered by the exemplary of the Macedonia. They first gave themselves to God so that everything else is an easy task, in other words, the Macedonian believers will never have even the difficulty with the tithes and offerings.

As used by Malachi, it was in reference to the Heave Offering. The Hebrew word used for "offerings" in Malachi is a word that refers to offerings in general.

A quick question, is Offering not a giving? Offerings are a type of giving. Tithes were an O.T. type of giving. Wave offerings, Cereal offerings, and Sin offerings are some other examples of O.T. types of giving.

I believe both the OT and the NT refers to it as Giving. If it is giving, therefore, the base must be the tithe. The Bible says the “tithes and offerings” and not the “the tithes plus offerings”. In 2 Corinthians 8:5, the basis for the stewardship and hence Christian Giving was discovered by the exemplary of the Macedonia. They first gave themselves to God so that everything else is an easy task, in other words, the Macedonian believers will never have even the difficulty with the tithes and offerings.

Further, the NT giving is characterized by freedom (2 Corinthians 9:6-7) and responsible planning (1 Corinthians 16:2). But freedom does not negate the validity of the tithe since tithing is the natural and basic expression of stewardship. Jesus demands more than the precise compliance with the tithe but He sanctions at least the practice of tithing. Though stewardship may include more than the tithe, it is never less than the tithe.

God bless…

I can't follow your thought process. You mentioned tithes(10%) and offerings(which you put at 1% and refer to as a heave offering) and then mentioned the Macedonians. 2 Cor 8:2-4 suggests they gave 100% and beyond. Your numbers range from 1% to over 100%. Somehow, though, you get back to 10%.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Who Is Authorized To Take Tithes?


by Ronald W. Robey


Many pro-tithe proponents argue that tithes are still required today. But, if this statement is correct, who is it that is authorized to take tithes?


In the Bible, the very last commandment concerning the tithes is found in Hebrews 7:5-8. It clearly states the sons of Levi have a command to take tithes.


Had God wanted the called-out assembly, the ekklesia to tithe, the Apostle Paul sure missed the chance to inform us of such a requirement in that passage. He didn't say the Gentile Pastor has a command to take tithes of the congregation. He didn't say the Gentile Elder has a command to take tithes of the Body of Believers. Nor did he say Gentile Bishops have a command to take tithes of the called-out assembly.


And for good reason... because the command to tithe was given to Israel, (Lev. 27:30-34; Ps. 147:19-20; Nu. 18:24-26; He. 7:5-8) not to the New Testament Assembly of born-again saints of God.. (Acts 15:5,10,19-20) The command to take the tithes was given to the sons of Levi, not for Pastors who are not descendants of Levi.


The Apostles and the Holy Ghost determined at the Jerusalem Council that Gentile Converts were not to be required to keep the Mosaic Law. The tithe command was part of the Mosaic Law. Had Paul told the Pastor/Elder/Bishop to take tithes of the Body of New Testament Believers in their local assemblies, Paul would have been speaking and instructing in direct opposition to the decision made by the rest of the Apostles and by the Holy Ghost concerning the Gentile Converts and the Mosaic Law .


If it is true that tithes are required today, the tithes must be taken by those that the Bible says have the legal right to take tithes,... the sons of Levi. To insist that anyone else has that authority, one has to deny what is clearly written in the Bible for all to see.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Satan has long been against the tithe, because He knows that church with money can't exist.

Without tithing, the fake church would collapse. Satan loves tithing.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Tithing is giving. It was only required in the OT. In the NT it is a gift to God and God uses that gift to further the gospel and to feed His flock. With out the tithe we would be starved of the bread that should be in His house.

Taxation is not giving. Tithing was an OT tax imposed upon Israel due to Jacob's vow in Genesis 28:22.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Who Is Authorized To Take Tithes?
If it is true that tithes are required today, the tithes must be taken by those that the Bible says have the legal right to take tithes,... the sons of Levi. To insist that anyone else has that authority, one has to deny what is clearly written in the Bible for all to see.

I tithe according to the voluntary tithing of Abraham, of my added substance as asked for through the Holy Spirit, and by those who qualify under commandment of 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

I note a great avoidance of that reference here. So, the world can take note of perversions of truth!

The authorized receiver is the Eternal Priesthood of Melchizedek, taken up currently by Jesus, independently of Israel or any tribe, even that of Jesus (Judah).

I benefit in many ways, including health and financial blessings, and know my church is adequately funded by fellow tithers. Our buildings are not leaking, we have our own meeting places that we can use whenever we desire, carry out dozens of ministries to the local community. We've even tried to help failing churches that eventually closed due to lack of funds, their impact in the community lost years ago. Our tithes and offerings now minister world-wide, so ultimately most of that resource is received by people in need. Members here remain extremely happy to be such a blessings to so many, not fearing to commit finances and labors for the good of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Tithing through the Eternal Priesthood (see Heb 7) is far superior to trying to obey a Law command to support Levites. I am not a fool to say anyone ought not take part if applicable. Christians are forbidden to teach not to obey a Mosaic Law. Abraham's voluntary tithe is well supported by scriptures, no less efficacious than voluntary offerings for special needs. I am heir of all the promises of God that could possibly apply to a Christian, with no connection to the curses of the Law.

2 Corinthians 1:19-20 (KJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

 

[Yet]

I tithe according to the voluntary tithing of Abraham, of my added substance as asked for through the Holy Spirit, and by those who qualify under commandment of 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

I note a great avoidance of that reference here. So, the world can take note of perversions of truth!

The authorized receiver is the Eternal Priesthood of Melchizedek, taken up currently by Jesus, independently of Israel or any tribe, even that of Jesus (Judah).

I benefit in many ways, including health and financial blessings, and know my church is adequately funded by fellow tithers. Our buildings are not leaking, we have our own meeting places that we can use whenever we desire, carry out dozens of ministries to the local community. We've even tried to help failing churches that eventually closed due to lack of funds, their impact in the community lost years ago. Our tithes and offerings now minister world-wide, so ultimately most of that resource is received by people in need. Members here remain extremely happy to be such a blessings to so many, not fearing to commit finances and labors for the good of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Tithing through the Eternal Priesthood (see Heb 7) is far superior to trying to obey a Law command to support Levites. I am not a fool to say anyone ought not take part if applicable. Christians are forbidden to teach not to obey a Mosaic Law. Abraham's voluntary tithe is well supported by scriptures, no less efficacious than voluntary offerings for special needs. I am heir of all the promises of God that could possibly apply to a Christian, with no connection to the curses of the Law.

2 Corinthians 1:19-20 (KJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

You ere. We have not avoided those verses. Go back and read our comments. Those that preach, witness to the lost, have a right to support. There is NO preaching in the assembly. See:1Cor.12, Romans 12, and Ephesians 4. The church has turned everything upside down and backwards. NEWS FLASH: It's called APOSTASY. The local shepherds are commanded to work jobs and support the poor. The traveling preachers as apostles could receive help. Not to charge but allowed to receive free will support. It must be the givers idea, not the preachers idea. They are commanded by the ONE you think you know, JESUS CHRIST, to FREELY GIVE BECAUSE THEY FREELY RECEIVED. You serve ANOTHER JESUS, ANOTHER GOSPEL, ANOTHER SPIRIT.

Men have turned the GOOD NEWS OF THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR into a lucrative merchandising business with a CEO PASTOR at the top with corporate papers married to the antichrist government. Jesus commanded us to pay taxes. But the pastor doesn't have to pay taxes because he has a 501c3 tax exempt status. Joined at the hip with BIG BROTHER.
Demanding the widows and poor to pay or get out. Good news indeed. Slobbering Wolves feasting on grandmas SS check. Liars and hirelings that Jesus said 'DO NOT CARE FOR THE SHEEP' but only care for themselves. Do not serve the sheep in humility, but serve themselves in arrogance and avarice. Do not feed the sheep but feed themselves on mutton and clothing themselves with the wool. Good news indeed.....for the wolves and the wolves only.


I spent a lot of time on the street preaching and at times feeding the folks. Never got a dime from the church. I had a right to support scripturally but never got it. I finally had to give it up......no money, no support. But the PASTOR got a salary for a 40 minute sermon each week. Totally defying God's NT commands about title wearing of an exalted esteemed title, self exaltation, filthy lucre, and not working according to Acts 20 that you tithers ignore.

Another NEWS FLASH: Robbing widows houses and defrauding the poor hasn't changed, as the church do heartily believes. It's still SIN. And God will not let all the lies and thievery go unanswered forever.

He's coming back for those that are praying and watching, not for those that are lying and stealing. Sorry about your luck!

See: will liars and thieves still make heaven?

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

1 Corinthians (written in AD 60) 9 is not speaking of tithes. Paul, being a Benjamite, was not authorized to take tithes. He stated that he had authority to take support in his epistle to the saints and faithful Brethren at Corinth, but did not exercise that authority.

Just one year earlier, the Apostle James had told Paul to observe the Law lest he offend the Jews. (Acts 21:23-25) it would have been a great offense to the Jews for the Benjamite to take tithes as well.

Further, tithes were agricultural, as recorded many times in Scripture. 1 Corinthians 9 nowhere justifies the taking of monetary tithes.

The only ones guilty of "perverting the truth" are those who teach the doctrine of a monetary tithe requirement. And, unless they repent, they are heirs of the lake of fire, not of the Kingdom of God. A lying tongue is one of the abominations God hates. (Prov. 6:16-19) The monetary tithe requirement doctrine is a lie. It is nowhere found in the pages of the Bible. Unless its teachers repent of their abominable act of lying, they will perish in the lake of fire. (Rev. 21:8)

 

[Word_Swordsman]

You ere. We have not avoided those verses. Go back and read our comments. Those that preach, witness to the lost, have a right to support. There is NO preaching in the assembly.

You "ere" (sic) from the start. When a person enters Christianity, every one of them need preaching of the gospel. Preaching the gospel is not for the lost only. It is to be taught to believers. The world can't receive it until the Father calls them to answer to it. The preaching to the lost necessarily is done outside church assemblies who need the gospel preached to them so they can be inspiredand emboldened to take the same gospel to the world.

You are deeply, fundamentally fouled up, damning the Church. It's not a healthy thing to attack the Body of Christ.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

1 Corinthians (written in AD 60) 9 is not speaking of tithes. Paul, being a Benjamite, was not authorized to take tithes. He stated that he had authority to take support in his epistle to the saints and faithful Brethren at Corinth, but did not exercise that authority.

Even as, or so as, the Levitical priesthood was supported (by tithes) shall the modern priesthood ministers be supported. Again, you are totally avoiding a plainly written command, issued through Paul.

Just one year earlier, the Apostle James had told Paul to observe the Law lest he offend the Jews. (Acts 21:23-25) it would have been a great offense to the Jews for the Benjamite to take tithes as well.

Paul heeded some pressure from fellows, but passed through all such demands of the Law. James was under pressure from the "establishment" in Jerusalem, ending up being speared on the steps of the Temple.

Further, tithes were agricultural, as recorded many times in Scripture. 1 Corinthians 9 nowhere justifies the taking of monetary tithes.

Where is it required of the Eternal Priesthood of Jesus (of the tribe of Judah), that all tithes must be received by Levites?

The only ones guilty of "perverting the truth" are those who teach the doctrine of a monetary tithe requirement. And, unless they repent, they are heirs of the lake of fire, not of the Kingdom of God. A lying tongue is one of the abominations God hates. (Prov. 6:16-19) The monetary tithe requirement doctrine is a lie. It is nowhere found in the pages of the Bible. Unless its teachers repent of their abominable act of lying, they will perish in the lake of fire. (Rev. 21:8)

Apparently you are saying that any minister that receives a tithe is a preacher that requires a tithe. I realize false cults like Mormons require tithes. Which Christian denomination does that? It's unheard of in these parts.

According to Jesus in Mat 5, if someone responds to the Lord to bring a preacher a tithe, then the preacher teaches him it's a bad thing to do, doesn't tithe himself, then he instantly loses position in eternity. I would estimate you are that other guy are working up to toilet cleaner.

Now, in Acts 15 gentiles are commanded to keep some elements of the Law. Are you disagreeing? That was well after Calvary. What parts of the Law do you refuse to obey? Will you be a murderer? That Jesus and the apostles instructed against murder, they didn't originate that command that was in the Law before them.

When the Law seconded a principle that existed before the Law, did that invent that principle of God? No. There are principles throughout the Law and prophets that apply well to the whole world today, including the ideal economic system.

Some Christians act upon the whole of God's revelation, though bound only to Jesus Christ.

Where in scripture can you support your assertion that preaching in favor of tithing is an abomination?

I recognize that homosexuality is an abomination before God. Only a sick mind could imagine that the teaching and endorsement of tithing is like that sin, an abomination! Open your eyes.

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

I am done with this thread, said enough.

Ya d̶i̶d̶n̶'̶t̶ don't say.

Where is Fredoheaven, gosh dern it!?

I appreciate his civility, even though I don't agree with him.

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

1 Corinthians 9:13 (KJV) 13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?


1 Corinthians 9:14 (KJV) 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

It was not the congregation that was required to tithe to the House of God, it was the House of God Staff that were to tithe to the House of God. Therefore, if the above two verses were speaking of tithes, (they are not) it would be speaking of the tithes from the Levites.

WS, your argument still fails. Tithes in the Temple were only 1% (or less) of all Israel's agricultural produce, not 10%!


Nehemiah 10:37 (KJV) 37 And [that] we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.


Nehemiah 10:38 (KJV) 38 And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.

 

[fredoheaven]

Even as, or so as, the Levitical priesthood was supported (by tithes) shall the modern priesthood ministers be supported. Again, you are totally avoiding a plainly written command, issued through Paul.



Paul heeded some pressure from fellows, but passed through all such demands of the Law. James was under pressure from the "establishment" in Jerusalem, ending up being speared on the steps of the Temple.



Where is it required of the Eternal Priesthood of Jesus (of the tribe of Judah), that all tithes must be received by Levites?



Apparently you are saying that any minister that receives a tithe is a preacher that requires a tithe. I realize false cults like Mormons require tithes. Which Christian denomination does that? It's unheard of in these parts.

According to Jesus in Mat 5, if someone responds to the Lord to bring a preacher a tithe, then the preacher teaches him it's a bad thing to do, doesn't tithe himself, then he instantly loses position in eternity. I would estimate you are that other guy are working up to toilet cleaner.

Now, in Acts 15 gentiles are commanded to keep some elements of the Law. Are you disagreeing? That was well after Calvary. What parts of the Law do you refuse to obey? Will you be a murderer? That Jesus and the apostles instructed against murder, they didn't originate that command that was in the Law before them.

When the Law seconded a principle that existed before the Law, did that invent that principle of God? No. There are principles throughout the Law and prophets that apply well to the whole world today, including the ideal economic system.

Some Christians act upon the whole of God's revelation, though bound only to Jesus Christ.

Where in scripture can you support your assertion that preaching in favor of tithing is an abomination?

I recognize that homosexuality is an abomination before God. Only a sick mind could imagine that the teaching and endorsement of tithing is like that sin, an abomination! Open your eyes.

Here is a biblical example to keep some element of the Law

Ephesians 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

Correlating verses in the the OT are found in Exo 20:12; Deu 27:16; Pro 20:20; Jer 35:18; Eze 22:7; Mal 1:6 which under the Mosaic Law yet where Paul reinforced this idea with reference to Deut. 5:16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

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[TD]¶Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

God bless[/TD]
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[fredoheaven]

Ya d̶i̶d̶n̶'̶t̶ don't say.

Where is Fredoheaven, gosh dern it!?

I appreciate his civility, even though I don't agree with him.

Yea, still here alive and kicking! but interested more about your Diagnostic Tests. Could you now elaborate more about it? Since that is your creation it would be best if you could point by point explain?... SO that the PUBLIC may KNOW... thanks