There Is "One" Future Resurrection Of All, On The Last Day
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The Bible states Enoch was translated and didn't experience a physical death.
No more response from me, the scripture is clear, simple, and easy to understand.
Hebrews 11:5KJV
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
No more response from me, the scripture is clear, simple, and easy to understand.
Hebrews 11:5KJV
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
I strongly disagree, Enoch was excluded from (These All Died)
The Bible states Enoch was translated and didn't experience a physical death.
No more response from me, the scripture is clear, simple, and easy to understand.
Hebrews 11:5KJV
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
The Bible states Enoch was translated and didn't experience a physical death.
No more response from me, the scripture is clear, simple, and easy to understand.
Hebrews 11:5KJV
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
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The Bible clearly teaches God took Enoch, he was not, (He Didn't Die)
Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Methuselah, Lamech (They Died)
Genesis 5:5-31KJVKJV
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:
13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.
30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
The Bible states Enoch was translated and didn't experience a physical death.
No more response from me, the scripture is clear, simple, and easy to understand.
Hebrews 11:5KJV
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
The Bible clearly teaches God took Enoch, he was not, (He Didn't Die)
Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Methuselah, Lamech (They Died)
Genesis 5:5-31KJVKJV
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:
13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.
30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
The Bible states Enoch was translated and didn't experience a physical death.
No more response from me, the scripture is clear, simple, and easy to understand.
Hebrews 11:5KJV
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
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1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
This whole chapter talking about the nature of new bodies. Based on what I read here the second Adam or resurrection bodies will not be a living soul. I'd say there will be no soul which is the animation of a physical body by spirit (pneuma), but instead immortal living spirit or like you call it immortal body "I will be satisfied, when I awake in Thy likeness". "A living soul" became of Adam when God breathed His Spirit to quicken Adam's earthen body. But this whole chapter is very clear teaching that our new bodies won't be terrestrial, but spiritual. Flesh and blood will not inherit, but instead we reap the incorruptible, what was sown and begotten by the Spirit will then manifest. "For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God." "We will not all sleep but we will all be changed." But people remain very attached to the ideas of corporeal resurrection, in spite of what 1 Cor 15 actually teaches and in fact persistently reinforces. Corporeal resurrection was just the firstfruits because natural has to come first, then spiritual (1 Cor 15:46). If anyone is still doubtful I tell them to just read the chapter carefully...
This whole chapter talking about the nature of new bodies. Based on what I read here the second Adam or resurrection bodies will not be a living soul. I'd say there will be no soul which is the animation of a physical body by spirit (pneuma), but instead immortal living spirit or like you call it immortal body "I will be satisfied, when I awake in Thy likeness". "A living soul" became of Adam when God breathed His Spirit to quicken Adam's earthen body. But this whole chapter is very clear teaching that our new bodies won't be terrestrial, but spiritual. Flesh and blood will not inherit, but instead we reap the incorruptible, what was sown and begotten by the Spirit will then manifest. "For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God." "We will not all sleep but we will all be changed." But people remain very attached to the ideas of corporeal resurrection, in spite of what 1 Cor 15 actually teaches and in fact persistently reinforces. Corporeal resurrection was just the firstfruits because natural has to come first, then spiritual (1 Cor 15:46). If anyone is still doubtful I tell them to just read the chapter carefully...
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Fair point... noted
I would just love if people stopped ignoring whatever challenges, like you called it, old school, established imagining of resurrection, in spite of teachings on new bodies exposed in 1 Cor 15 (it's not like our imaginations of future events equal Scripture itself, so I think it's okay to be open about some things).
I would just love if people stopped ignoring whatever challenges, like you called it, old school, established imagining of resurrection, in spite of teachings on new bodies exposed in 1 Cor 15 (it's not like our imaginations of future events equal Scripture itself, so I think it's okay to be open about some things).
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The soul is life to every cell of our bodies. And the life experienced by the body and soul shapes the soul. The soul preserves the pattern of our body in every detail. The particular molecules that make up the cells are meaningless because even our cells are cyclic and not the eternal substance of our bodies. The pattern of our body and our life is impressed on the soul and that is made flesh that is not subject to change. Just thinking.
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There are 3 specific resurrections coming:
E: [a special resurrection, some righteous, some wicked - to witness Christ coming in Power in Glory to fulfill His Word] Daniel 12:1-3,12; Matthew 26:64; Mark 14:62; Revelation 1:7, 14:13
F: [[first great] resurrection [of the saints, just, life, before/at start of the 1000 years when Christ Jesus returns in Power and Glory], raised] 1 Samuel 2:6; Job 14:12-14, 19:26; Hosea 13:14; Matthew 22:31; Mark 12:18,23,25; Luke 14:14, 20:35,36; John 5:29a, 6:25,28,29,39,40,44,54, 11:24,25; Acts 4:2, 17:31,32, 23:6, 24:15a,21; Romans 6:5,8, 8:11; 1 Corinthians 15:12,13,16,20,21,23,29,32,35,42,43,52-55; Philippians 3:10,11; Colossians 3:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Timothy 2:18, 4:1; Hebrews 6:2, 11:35; Revelation 20:5b,6; [All the Holy "Clouds" of Angels [the "reapers"] with Him] Psalms 68:17, 104:3; Isaiah 66:15; Matthew 13:39,49, 16:27, 24:30, 25:31,51, 26:64; Mark 8:38, 13:27; Luke 9:26, 21:27; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 3:13, 4:16-17; Hebrews 1:7; Revelation 1:7, 12:7
G: [2nd Advent/Coming in Power and Glory, with all the holy angels, even unto the 3rd] Zechariah 14:1-7 [3rd]; Daniel 2:35,44,45, 7:14,22,27, 8:25, 12:1-3; Matthew 19:28, 24:30, 25:31; Mark 13:26; Luke 21:27; 1 Corinthians 15:43; 2 Thessalonians 1:9
H: [[second great] resurrection [of the wicked, unjust, damnation, at the end/close of the 1000 years, when Christ Jesus and all of the Saints [then immortal] descend to Earth in New Jerusalem upon the Mount of Olives, and the Great White Throne Judgment takes place; Zechariah 14; Revelation 20]] John 5:29b; Acts 17:31, 24:15b; Revelation 20:5a
I: [resurrection of unjust/damnation takes place on earth] Revelation 20:5,7-15
E: [a special resurrection, some righteous, some wicked - to witness Christ coming in Power in Glory to fulfill His Word] Daniel 12:1-3,12; Matthew 26:64; Mark 14:62; Revelation 1:7, 14:13
F: [[first great] resurrection [of the saints, just, life, before/at start of the 1000 years when Christ Jesus returns in Power and Glory], raised] 1 Samuel 2:6; Job 14:12-14, 19:26; Hosea 13:14; Matthew 22:31; Mark 12:18,23,25; Luke 14:14, 20:35,36; John 5:29a, 6:25,28,29,39,40,44,54, 11:24,25; Acts 4:2, 17:31,32, 23:6, 24:15a,21; Romans 6:5,8, 8:11; 1 Corinthians 15:12,13,16,20,21,23,29,32,35,42,43,52-55; Philippians 3:10,11; Colossians 3:3; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Timothy 2:18, 4:1; Hebrews 6:2, 11:35; Revelation 20:5b,6; [All the Holy "Clouds" of Angels [the "reapers"] with Him] Psalms 68:17, 104:3; Isaiah 66:15; Matthew 13:39,49, 16:27, 24:30, 25:31,51, 26:64; Mark 8:38, 13:27; Luke 9:26, 21:27; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 3:13, 4:16-17; Hebrews 1:7; Revelation 1:7, 12:7
G: [2nd Advent/Coming in Power and Glory, with all the holy angels, even unto the 3rd] Zechariah 14:1-7 [3rd]; Daniel 2:35,44,45, 7:14,22,27, 8:25, 12:1-3; Matthew 19:28, 24:30, 25:31; Mark 13:26; Luke 21:27; 1 Corinthians 15:43; 2 Thessalonians 1:9
H: [[second great] resurrection [of the wicked, unjust, damnation, at the end/close of the 1000 years, when Christ Jesus and all of the Saints [then immortal] descend to Earth in New Jerusalem upon the Mount of Olives, and the Great White Throne Judgment takes place; Zechariah 14; Revelation 20]] John 5:29b; Acts 17:31, 24:15b; Revelation 20:5a
I: [resurrection of unjust/damnation takes place on earth] Revelation 20:5,7-15
I strongly disagree
There will be one future resurrection of all that will take place at the second coming of Jesus Christ, immediately after the tribulation.
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
There will be one future resurrection of all that will take place at the second coming of Jesus Christ, immediately after the tribulation.
John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
An astute answer my friend. Do not commit yourself, for in a week or a month you will agree with me. All you have to do is define the Promises and to whom they were made (with scripture of course). Do it for yourself - not me. No answer is required.
In Acts 17:4-7 we have a narrative. It reads;
4 "And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.
5 But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
6 And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;
7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus."
In it are a number of characters. (i) "Some believed" (v.4), (ii) some did not believe (v.5), (iii) some "lewd fellows" were hired (v.5), (iv) the population of the city (v.5), (v) Jason (v.6), (vi) "certain brethren" (v.6), (vii) the rulers of the city (v.6). Now, in verse 6 it says "... These ..." and in verse 7 it says "... these ALL ... ". Do they mean ALL seven parties I have listed? Or do they mean "ALL" the believers?
Basic grammar. So also with Hebrews 11. "These all" in verse 13 pertain to ALL who received the Promises. Here is what scripture says:
Galatians 3:16: "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."
Hebrews 7:6: "But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises."
Hebrews 11:17 "By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son"
In Acts 17:4-7 we have a narrative. It reads;
4 "And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.
5 But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
6 And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also;
7 Whom Jason hath received: and these all do contrary to the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, one Jesus."
In it are a number of characters. (i) "Some believed" (v.4), (ii) some did not believe (v.5), (iii) some "lewd fellows" were hired (v.5), (iv) the population of the city (v.5), (v) Jason (v.6), (vi) "certain brethren" (v.6), (vii) the rulers of the city (v.6). Now, in verse 6 it says "... These ..." and in verse 7 it says "... these ALL ... ". Do they mean ALL seven parties I have listed? Or do they mean "ALL" the believers?
Basic grammar. So also with Hebrews 11. "These all" in verse 13 pertain to ALL who received the Promises. Here is what scripture says:
Galatians 3:16: "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."
Hebrews 7:6: "But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises."
Hebrews 11:17 "By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son"
"All these" are defined in the passage as "those that have turned the world upside".
You said "Basic grammar. So also with Hebrews 11. "These all" in verse 13 pertain to ALL who received the Promises."
I'm assuming the above is a typo because the bible says the opposite, it says "not having received the promises. You are correct in saying "These all" in verse 13 pertain to "ALL who recieved the Promises", but again I'm assuming that "ALL who received the Promises" is a typo.
So "These all" in those verses pertain to the ones who died in faith, "not having received the promises". Enoch nor any of the rest in that passage received the promise, they all went to paradise where they waited until Jesus came and paid the price for their redemption.
You said "Basic grammar. So also with Hebrews 11. "These all" in verse 13 pertain to ALL who received the Promises."
I'm assuming the above is a typo because the bible says the opposite, it says "not having received the promises. You are correct in saying "These all" in verse 13 pertain to "ALL who recieved the Promises", but again I'm assuming that "ALL who received the Promises" is a typo.
So "These all" in those verses pertain to the ones who died in faith, "not having received the promises". Enoch nor any of the rest in that passage received the promise, they all went to paradise where they waited until Jesus came and paid the price for their redemption.