There Is "One" Future Resurrection Of All, On The Last Day

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Truth7t7

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Sure....even though it is referenced numerous times in both Revelation, Isaiah and other books.....
There isn't a Millennial kingdom found in the Bible.

Revelation 20:1-6 shows angels, heaven, devil, Satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ? No Kingdom on this earth with humans present is seen, none.

All the references in the Old Testament of a future Kingdom seen, is the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, after the final judgement
 

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I was very surprised to catch this in Acts last year. The prophecy about sun turned into darkness, moon turned into blood, is talked about by Peter as something that was already fulfilled through the mission of Jesus when he was judged by God at the cross (day of the Lord being the day of judgment), many verses from Joel being referenced as having come to pass:

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (...)
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? (...)
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Of course, this is also mentioned in the book of Revelation. But what is said in Acts here is overlooked, I've never heard anyone discussing it. For the reasons above, I would not see these elements of God's judgments (sun turning into darkness, moon into blood, etc) as something solely reserved for the future.
 

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I was very surprised to catch this in Acts last year. The prophecy about sun turned into darkness, moon turned into blood, is talked about by Peter as something that was already fulfilled through the mission of Jesus when he was judged by God at the cross (day of the Lord being the day of judgment), many verses from Joel being referenced as having come to pass:

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (...)
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? (...)
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Of course, this is also mentioned in the book of Revelation. But what is said in Acts here is overlooked, I've never heard anyone discussing it. For the reasons above, I would not see these elements of God's judgments (sun turning into darkness, moon into blood, etc) as something solely reserved for the future.
Start a thread on the subject?
 

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Start a thread on the subject?
I don't care enough to argue about it. People get so defensive about non essentials. I just thought I would share because it was an interesting find and it was related. Peace
 
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I don't care enough to argue about it. People get so defensive about non essentials. I just thought I would share because it was an interesting find and it was related. Peace
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Good catch. In Revelation it says
Rev.19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy


It's like Jesus. He was, is, and is yet to come. Prophecy happened, is happening, and is yet to be complete.
 

SoulWeaver

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Good catch. In Revelation it says
Rev.19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy


It's like Jesus. He was, is, and is yet to come. Prophecy happened, is happening, and is yet to be complete.
Yes very much agreed,
Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
The book itself is telling us...
I am extremely interested to grasp this perspective in depth if possible, as opposed to future only.
 
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There isn't a Millennial kingdom found in the Bible.

Revelation 20:1-6 shows angels, heaven, devil, Satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ? No Kingdom on this earth with humans present is seen, none.

All the references in the Old Testament of a future Kingdom seen, is the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, after the final judgement
Again...not hardly....!!
 

Truth7t7

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Again...not hardly....!!
There will be no future 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth, where the eternal glorified Jesus Christ sits on a earthly throne, with mortal humans running around, a Big "Fairy Tale"!

Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement :)

Immediately after the tribulation, as the resurrection of all takes place, as the living believers are raptured/caught up, as this existing earth is "DISSOLVED" by the Lords fire in final judgement, as the New Heavens, Earth, And Jerusalem are revealed in the twinkling of an eye.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 
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The examples mentioned aren't resurrection meaning death to eternal life. Enoch and Elisha didn't die and translated to immortal life. Those raised from the dead died again.
  1. In no case is resurrection "death to eternal life". Resurrection is the raising of the body from physical death. Eternal Life is had by FAITH (Jn.3:15-16). Eternal Life is the Life of God and when a man receives eternal life it is in his spirit, not his body (Jn.3:6). Even after Paul was converted he called his body, "this vile body" and "the body of this death" (Rom.7:24; Phil.3:21). But what does happen at resurrection for the BELIEVER is that, because his spirit keeps him alive (Jas.2:26), he will live forever. Those who do not have eternal life need to be constantly "healed by the leaves of the Tree of Life" (Rev.22:2)
  2. There is no evidence that Enoch and Elijah "translated to immortal life". Enoch and Elijah were spared physical death and were physically raptured, but could face death at any time. The word "translated" in the Greek means "moved to another place" - in this case, heaven. There is much proof the they are the two Witnesses of Revelation 11 - in which case they die as martyrs.
  3. Hebrews 9:27 says that it is GIVEN to a man to die ONCE. There is not a single case in the Bible of a man dying a second time.
 

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  1. In no case is resurrection "death to eternal life". Resurrection is the raising of the body from physical death. Eternal Life is had by FAITH (Jn.3:15-16). Eternal Life is the Life of God and when a man receives eternal life it is in his spirit, not his body (Jn.3:6). Even after Paul was converted he called his body, "this vile body" and "the body of this death" (Rom.7:24; Phil.3:21). But what does happen at resurrection for the BELIEVER is that, because his spirit keeps him alive (Jas.2:26), he will live forever. Those who do not have eternal life need to be constantly "healed by the leaves of the Tree of Life" (Rev.22:2)
  2. There is no evidence that Enoch and Elijah "translated to immortal life". Enoch and Elijah were spared physical death and were physically raptured, but could face death at any time. The word "translated" in the Greek means "moved to another place" - in this case, heaven. There is much proof the they are the two Witnesses of Revelation 11 - in which case they die as martyrs.
  3. Hebrews 9:27 says that it is GIVEN to a man to die ONCE. There is not a single case in the Bible of a man dying a second time.
I agree 100% good Post!
 
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  1. In no case is resurrection "death to eternal life". Resurrection is the raising of the body from physical death. Eternal Life is had by FAITH (Jn.3:15-16). Eternal Life is the Life of God and when a man receives eternal life it is in his spirit, not his body (Jn.3:6). Even after Paul was converted he called his body, "this vile body" and "the body of this death" (Rom.7:24; Phil.3:21). But what does happen at resurrection for the BELIEVER is that, because his spirit keeps him alive (Jas.2:26), he will live forever. Those who do not have eternal life need to be constantly "healed by the leaves of the Tree of Life" (Rev.22:2)
  2. There is no evidence that Enoch and Elijah "translated to immortal life". Enoch and Elijah were spared physical death and were physically raptured, but could face death at any time. The word "translated" in the Greek means "moved to another place" - in this case, heaven. There is much proof the they are the two Witnesses of Revelation 11 - in which case they die as martyrs.
  3. Hebrews 9:27 says that it is GIVEN to a man to die ONCE. There is not a single case in the Bible of a man dying a second time.
The bible says Enoch died.
 
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The bible says Enoch died.
OK, but I think the Bible says this;

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God" (Hebrews 11:5)
 
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Resurrect for what then?
Jesus didn't die and rise to eternal life? We don't call that resurrection?
The word "Eternal" means; "no beginning and no end". It is the nature of God's existence. He is "eternal" and the vitality He possesses is "eternal". For any man to possess "Eternal Life" he must have FAITH (Jn.3:15-16)

That which has a beginning, but no end is called "everlasting". So resurrection has a day it occurs on, but the resurrected cannot die again, so he /she has "everlasting life". Resurrection ("anastasis" in the Greek) means "standing up again". It pertain to the Body and not the spirit of man. We can see this in 1st Corinthians 15:35-42;

35 "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
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38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
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42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption"


Man is a tripartite being - (i) body, (ii) spirit and (iii) soul (Gen.2:7; 1st Thess.5:23). His spirit must be born again (Jn.3:6), his soul must be transformed (Rom.12:2) and his body must be resurrected (1st Cor.15:21-22).
 

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The bible says Enoch died.
The Bible clearly teaches God took Enoch, he was not

Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Methuselah, Lamech (They Died)

Genesis 5:5-31KJVKJV

5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:
13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.
30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
 

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Resurrect for what then?
Jesus didn't die and rise to eternal life? We don't call that resurrection?
What do you believe the future resurrection is?

Do you believe in a future New Heaven, Earth?

Do you believe in a future glorified, immortal body for believers?
 
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The Bible clearly teaches God took Enoch, he was not

Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Methuselah, Lamech (They Died)

Genesis 5:5-31KJVKJV
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:
8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:
11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:
13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:
14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:
17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.
30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
The phrase "he was not" does not mean he died. It means that he was not on earth - the logical result of being "taken". So also Hebrews 11:5. He was "translated" - not killed. The Greek word rendered "translated" means "transported from one place to another". It is noteworthy that not only does Hebrews 11:5 say that he did NOT see death, but that in Genesis 5 he is CONTRASTED with those who died. He is the only one who is NOT reported as dying.
 
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OK, but I think the Bible says this;

"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God" (Hebrews 11:5)
It does, but a little further down in that same chapter it says -

Heb 11:13 (KJV) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

So put Enoch didn’t SEE death along with Enoch died and you have the complete story. Enoch was translated to heaven just prior to the death of his body.
 
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It does, but a little further down in that same chapter it says -

Heb 11:13 (KJV) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

So put Enoch didn’t SEE death along with Enoch died and you have the complete story. Enoch was translated to heaven just prior to the death of his body.
The "These" of verse 13 is dictated by those who received the Covenant of Promise. This Covenant was made with Abraham. All before him are thus excluded. They did not receive the Promises made 430 years before the Law of Sinai (Gal.3:17).