yes the two witnesses are hear but people are making the same mistake that was made when jesus christ showed up!!!The son of god looked like nothing they wanted the son of god to look so because jesus christ didn't fit they rejected jesus christ!!!The two witnesses where born hundreds of miles apart to two different families they have not even met each other they don't stand out and with your preconceived ideas you could walk into one of them and not know it!!!God has not given them power and to keep people from noticing them god gives them no protection even when there life is in Danger god won't do anything!The only protection they have is people not knowing there names thats it!!!
The Two Witnesses Were Already Here
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The two witnesses arrive in Israel about the same time the king of the norths armed forces start their occupation of Israel.This is also the same time period the false prophet is deceiving everyone in Israel to receive the mark of the beast..
I have a nephew who fire proceeds from his mouth to destroy his enemies like the two witnesses do..It's a pretty common occurrence nowadays.
He is in the armed forces.
I have a nephew who fire proceeds from his mouth to destroy his enemies like the two witnesses do..It's a pretty common occurrence nowadays.
He is in the armed forces.
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"Hebrew Israelites" is nothing more than what is known as an extreme version of Black liberation theology. They are unbiblical and racist.
Debating them only leads to hate and violence. "Hebrew Israelites" are a bunch of men who are Black who have issues with inferiority complex and won't give up the slave mentality. They attack Church history , Jews , and white people.
They are not the two witnesses spoken in Revelation. Their Youtube pod are insulting to women, and anyone who doesn't think they way they do.
Debating them only leads to hate and violence. "Hebrew Israelites" are a bunch of men who are Black who have issues with inferiority complex and won't give up the slave mentality. They attack Church history , Jews , and white people.
They are not the two witnesses spoken in Revelation. Their Youtube pod are insulting to women, and anyone who doesn't think they way they do.
To be fair (and unless I've missed something in a different post of his elsewhere, or something), in that post you quoted (of member "Cobus"), I don't see that poster anywhere making the point that Jesus in His earthly ministry had "NO glory".
What am I missing (about his post), that you are seeing him as saying such? I'm not seeing where he said that.
What am I missing (about his post), that you are seeing him as saying such? I'm not seeing where he said that.
Okay, but why did the poster also include the part of the verse that says,
"...WITH THE GLORY I HAD BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!"...
... and then made zero point about Jesus in His earthly ministry having "NO glory" (as you phrased it in your response-post three times)...
That's what I'm not seeing... or am somehow missing, that you see in his post or another post of his perhaps.
"...WITH THE GLORY I HAD BEFORE THE WORLD WAS!"...
... and then made zero point about Jesus in His earthly ministry having "NO glory" (as you phrased it in your response-post three times)...
That's what I'm not seeing... or am somehow missing, that you see in his post or another post of his perhaps.
I'm thinking their testimony will.be the opposite of Jesus teaching.I believe they will spend most of their time tormenting and killing other people to the point where it may be unbearable to some.Unlike Jesus these two christians do everything Jesus commands them not to do.Insted of praying for their enemies ,these two christians kill them.Insted of doing into others as they would have done unto them,these two christians do unto others what they don't want done unto themselves.
But they will be killed the same way they killed others and there's a good chance these two christians will be tormented as they have tormented others.
Like they say,what goes around,comes around.
But they will be killed the same way they killed others and there's a good chance these two christians will be tormented as they have tormented others.
Like they say,what goes around,comes around.
The son of perdition's armed forces show up.in Israel 42 months before the time of the end . The exact same time the two witnesses arrive in Israel.The gentiles occupy Jerusalem for 42 months while the saints in Israel are imprisoned and murdered.
Why do people believe these two witnesses are doing good?If they were good ,would they not be persecuted with the saints in Israel ?If they were good,would they not be put in prison and suffer tribulation like the saints?
But these two witnesses don't spend any time behind bars.They spend the entire tribulation killing and tormenting people.
You people need to consider Jesus and the apostles.They did not hurt other people .They were persecuted for their testimony .They were not killed because they were going around killing people.Jesus showed us the way.The two witnesses in revelations are not following the way Jesus teaches us in the gospel.
Keep in mind.There are servants of Jesus at the time of the end who are not doing what Jesus commanded them to do .
Mathew 24:48-51
But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’
and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk?
The master will return unannounced and unexpected,
and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
And if you think ascending into heaven in a cloud on the day of the Lord to be in the presence of the Lamb is a good thing,then be sure you have been doning what the Lord commands in the gospel.
Revelation 14:9-10
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
He is coming with the clouds of heaven.
Why do people believe these two witnesses are doing good?If they were good ,would they not be persecuted with the saints in Israel ?If they were good,would they not be put in prison and suffer tribulation like the saints?
But these two witnesses don't spend any time behind bars.They spend the entire tribulation killing and tormenting people.
You people need to consider Jesus and the apostles.They did not hurt other people .They were persecuted for their testimony .They were not killed because they were going around killing people.Jesus showed us the way.The two witnesses in revelations are not following the way Jesus teaches us in the gospel.
Keep in mind.There are servants of Jesus at the time of the end who are not doing what Jesus commanded them to do .
Mathew 24:48-51
But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’
and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk?
The master will return unannounced and unexpected,
and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
And if you think ascending into heaven in a cloud on the day of the Lord to be in the presence of the Lamb is a good thing,then be sure you have been doning what the Lord commands in the gospel.
Revelation 14:9-10
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
He is coming with the clouds of heaven.
The people who are doing what they supposed to do, die for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God.They don't die because they spend 42 months killing and tormenting other people.
You won't find the two witnesses with this group.
Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
You won't find the two witnesses with this group.
Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
The belief that the two witnesses mentioned in the book of Revelation will be literal people is a common interpretation among many Christians. According to Revelation 11:3-12, these two witnesses are described as individuals who will prophesy, perform miracles, and bear witness to the truth during the end times. They will experience opposition and hatred, and their ministry will culminate in their death, after which they will be raised to life, causing great fear and awe among those who witness it.
Here is the relevant passage with the full citation:
Revelation 11:3-12 (NIV)
3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.” 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want. 7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth. 11 But after the three and a half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
This passage has led many to believe that these two witnesses will be actual individuals who will experience death, be seen by people from all nations, receive gifts in celebration of their demise, and then be raised to life, causing great astonishment.
While interpretations may vary, this is a commonly held view among those who adhere to a literal understanding of the book of Revelation.
J.
Here is the relevant passage with the full citation:
Revelation 11:3-12 (NIV)
3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.” 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want. 7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth. 11 But after the three and a half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
This passage has led many to believe that these two witnesses will be actual individuals who will experience death, be seen by people from all nations, receive gifts in celebration of their demise, and then be raised to life, causing great astonishment.
While interpretations may vary, this is a commonly held view among those who adhere to a literal understanding of the book of Revelation.
J.
Two horns performing miracles for 42 months.
Revelation 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six
Revelation 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six
Like I said,the same time this mans armed forces begin their occupation of Israel is when the two witnesses arrive.42 months before the end.
2 Thes 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
2 Thes 2
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.