The Two Witnesses Were Already Here

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We are indeed in the times of Revelations, and I believe according to scriptures that in fact. The two witnesses are here right now, but is "yet" be given great power, but God is raising them up. Here is what Zechariah says about the two witnesses.

ZECHARIAH 4:1 Now the angel who talked with me came back and wakened me, as a man who is wakened out of his sleep. 2 And he said to me, "What do you see?" So I said, "I am looking, and there is a lampstand of solid gold with a bowl on top of it, and on the stand seven lamps with seven pipes to the seven lamps. 3 Two olive trees are by it, one at the right of the bowl and the other at its left." 4 So I answered and spoke to the angel who talked with me, saying, "What are these, my lord?" 5 Then the angel who talked with me answered and said to me, "Do you not know what these are?" And I said, "No, my lord." 6 So he answered and said to me: "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: 'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,' says the LORD of hosts. 7 Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain! And he shall bring forth the capstone with shouts of "Grace, grace to it!" ' " 8 Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying: 9 "The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this temple; his hands shall also finish it. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you. 10 For who has despised the day of small things? For these seven rejoice to see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel. They are the eyes of the LORD, which scan to and fro throughout the whole earth." 11 Then I answered and said to him, "What are these two olive trees — at the right of the lampstand and at its left?" 12 And I further answered and said to him, "What are these two olive branches that drip into the receptacles of the two gold pipes from which the golden oil drains?" 13 Then he answered me and said, "Do you not know what these are?" And I said, "No, my lord." 14 So he said, "These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth."

There are groups which call themselves, "Hebrew Israelites" they are indeed the true Hebrews. But also many are ravening wolves(though still Israel) in sheep clothing (garments and sackcloth), teaching what they ought not to. But God will take the sincere among the groups which are literally, Israel and Judah, the two witnesses and grant them supreme power in due time. They will be able to perform great signs and judge the wicked of the nations.

ISAIAH 44:1 But now hear, O Jacob My servant, Israel whom I have chosen! 2 Thus says the LORD who made you, who formed you in the womb and will help you: Do not fear, O Jacob My servant, Jeshurun whom I have chosen. 3 For I will pour water on the thirsty land, and streams on the dry ground; I will pour My spirit upon your descendants, and My blessing on your offspring. 4 They shall spring up like a green tamarisk, like willows by flowing streams. 5 This one will say, "I am the LORD's," another will be called by the name of Jacob, yet another will write on the hand, "The LORD's," and adopt the name of Israel. 6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; besides Me there is no god. 7 Who is like Me? Let them proclaim it, let them declare and set it forth before me. Who has announced from of old the things to come? Let them tell us what is yet to be. 8 Do not fear, or be afraid; have I not told you from of old and declared it? You are my witnesses! Is there any god besides Me? There is no other rock; I know not one.

In the Bible when a messenger of God was sent to do great works before man, and given great power. They first had to start of humble before man, and teach as a man. Moses before he was given power, he had to speak before Israel as a man and tell them about God, even before the Egyptians. Jesus himself though he was born to be supreme, was later given supreme power after serving and teaching men, as a humble person and without power. We see now the people we call Hebrew Israelites, speaking as normal men. But soon many of them, will be given supreme power as seen in the Bible, and the wicked will utterly despise them and seek their end once they are able to even shut the very heavens.

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I am not saying these guys in particular (though they are Israel) will be chosen, its all about their heats. But according to the Bible the two witnesses are not just two single people, but a whole nation. That will be prophesying judgement, and they will speak bodly without fear. Then God will give them power to execute fearful, and frightening judgements. I look around and see who God is preparing to speak in the latter days and be deemed worthy for this job and these are the only people I see. I just thank God, the righteous will soon be restored and soon Satan will no longer have power. Again I know a lot of these guys are way off in terms of God due to their hearts (ravenous wolves) but many are sincere. But do you guys think the two witnesses are two single people or a nation?
 
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I have brothers that are black hebrew Israylites, most of them are racist, not all, most.

When the 2 witnesses come, there will be no doubt.
 
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I have brothers that are black hebrew Israylites, most of them are racist, not all, most.

When the 2 witnesses come, there will be no doubt.
When Jesus first came, did all think without a doubt at first he was the true Son of God? You are correct many of them are "ravening wolves" any group that says all nations will go to hell no matter is a liar. But I have seen groups speaking and saying if the nations humble themselves before Israel and obey God they can in fact make it. Acts 8 clearly shows all nations can make it, when the Ethiopian was baptized. I try to bring this up to many groups, but they do not even respond to my comments. Knowing they are in, the wrong.
 

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When Jesus first came, did all think without a doubt at first he was the true Son of God? You are correct many of them are "ravening wolves" any group that says all nations will go to hell no matter is a liar. But I have seen groups speaking and saying if the nations humble themselves before Israel and obey God they can in fact make it. Acts 8 clearly shows all nations can make it, when the Ethiopian was baptized. I try to bring this up to many groups, but they do not even respond to my comments. Knowing they are in, the wrong.
I agree with these statements, but not the OP.

praise Yahweh for the fact we can even dwell on the word.
 
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I agree with these statements, but not the OP.

praise Yahweh for the fact we can even dwell on the word.
Yes praise God to that fact. Just wondering, who do you think the two witnesses will be? Two single people yet to come, or a nation?
 

Hizikyah

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I THINK they are going to be 2 literal men that have yet to come.

the reason I say we wont be able to miss them is because I think those truly of Yahweh will know their doctrine is correct Spiritually.

But there is not a ton on them in prophecy, just a handful of passages, so I do keep and open mind here.

although I am very excited if I can ever see them, as thier teaching will be SIMILAR to Yahshua is the view of it will be CORRECT without flaw.
 
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But I have seen groups speaking and saying if the nations humble themselves before Israel and obey God they can in fact make it.
translation...you can 'make it' if you submit to the black israelists and their false teachings...

teaching that salvation depends on submission to a particular race is -racist-
 
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I THINK they are going to be 2 literal men that have yet to come.

the reason I say we wont be able to miss them is because I think those truly of Yahweh will know their doctrine is correct Spiritually.

But there is not a ton on them in prophecy, just a handful of passages, so I do keep and open mind here.

although I am very excited if I can ever see them, as thier teaching will be SIMILAR to Yahshua is the view of it will be CORRECT without flaw.
I suggest you check these people out.
GOCC Street Preachings: Daughters of ZION {Part 1} - YouTube they preach that other nations can be saved, do not curse people out. He teach in righteousness again, I said many are ravenous wolves. But few are like this guy.
 
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translation...you can 'make it' if you submit to the black israelists and their false teachings...

teaching that salvation depends on submission to a particular race is -racist-
The Bible clearly warned that when the nations were given a chance, and Israel was cut off. He warned them to not "boast" against their fall, a clear warning. I myself as a mere human, have seen great boasting towards them just imagine what God has seen of the nations. The Bible does say though in latter times, Isaiah 49:23 "And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: They shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet. And thou shalt know that I am the Lord, for they shall not be ashamed that wait for Me.” Since Kings of the nations pride is exceeding especially to Israel, God will humble them before his chosen. Same will go for any man, of any level of any nation, that has pride towards Israel.
 

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I suggest you check these people out.
GOCC Street Preachings: Daughters of ZION {Part 1} - YouTube they preach that other nations can be saved, do not curse people out. He teach in righteousness again, I said many are ravenous wolves. But few are like this guy.
I have brothers similar to these guys and we have spents months, really a few years togather, I would need to sit down with you in person or skype or somethin to give you all the Scriptural views I have on this. BTW I have the book "from babylon to Timbuktu" bottom line these things are really not Salvational keys in our time. My focus is on:

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
 
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interesting. i will stay tuned to see how this unfolds.
 
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No i don't think this group will be the two witnesses. Where did it come from the idea?


The two witnesses will be definitely known when they arise, but I have my suspiscions that it is Elijah and Enoch as they were essentially taken before they died
 
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I suggest you check these people out.
GOCC Street Preachings: Daughters of ZION {Part 1} - YouTube they preach that other nations can be saved, do not curse people out. He teach in righteousness again, I said many are ravenous wolves. But few are like this guy.
i have always said that black israelism is a 'red flag' for other false teachings...

the preacher you just endorsed is seen in another video preaching the false doctrine that jesus christ is not God... GOCC STREET PREACHING - IS CHRIST GOD? - YouTube

so now you have endorsed a group that teaches blatant heresy...
 

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Actually to be honest it makes sense for the two witnesses to be two specific nations, as the bible is not always literall but symbolic. Now as of if they are here now it is possible but if they are here they are not yet prepared. I too believe God is going to give many of his people power to do great works for him,I have seen them in a dream. when I saw them they weren't angels and I couldn't call them humans either it was like a whole new race of God's people and they were so full of the holy spirit. I could only call them holy people.
 

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An illustration for you:

There was this preacher who used to call up this other preacher and say, "I think we are going to be the two witnesses. It's me and you brother."

Every time he called to chat, he would say that.

Then one time he called and said, "I was wrong about us being the two witnesses. I am both of them."
 
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I believe the two witnesses are supposed to be inside the follower, the same they were inside Jesus.

As for the physical model of the real meaning, I believe they will be represented by two literal men.
 
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I have brothers similar to these guys and we have spents months, really a few years togather, I would need to sit down with you in person or skype or somethin to give you all the Scriptural views I have on this. BTW I have the book "from babylon to Timbuktu" bottom line these things are really not Salvational keys in our time. My focus is on:

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
You are definitely correct on this, but my point in this post was just to show that soon the two witnesses will be given power. I know that the main message is for people to keep the faith, but I do not see how this post can hinder people.
 
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The two witnesses will be literal people - who everyone will hate, who everyone will see dead, give presents, and see them raised to life
 
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i have always said that black israelism is a 'red flag' for other false teachings...

the preacher you just endorsed is seen in another video preaching the false doctrine that jesus christ is not God... GOCC STREET PREACHING - IS CHRIST GOD? - YouTube

so now you have endorsed a group that teaches blatant heresy...
Christ knows in a literal sense he is not on the same level as God. Corinthians 11:3" But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." There is a clear distinction between Yeshua and his Father. The Bible says no one can get to the Father, but through Christ. God gave Christ supreme power, even to be the Judge of men at the seat. But Christ knows, in an actual sense he is not as great as God, but they are still one, in agreement.
 
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