The Saving results of the Death of Christ !
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He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
'ours' -- this is easy to identify; the audience of John's letter. those who believe, this is stated explicitly in 5:13'but also for the whole world' -- it's clear intellectual dishonesty to argue that this can be referring to the same group
now define 'propitiation'
Christ died for the atonement of those that his Father gave him, which was the elect people that he choose before the foundation of the world.
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there is only one gospel, it’s not like there are 5 different ways to fix a car or to enter a building, there is one way
if we chose the wrong way, as paul said in galations 3, then we will left on the outside looking in and not be saved.
this debate here between the calvin view and the rest of us is not two ways, it is more like why or how did we come to faith
if we chose the wrong way, as paul said in galations 3, then we will left on the outside looking in and not be saved.
this debate here between the calvin view and the rest of us is not two ways, it is more like why or how did we come to faith
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People are condemned because of lack of faith. How many times does this need shown
he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already because they have not believed
they are not condemned for sin, as Jesus said, all manner of sin will be forgiven men.
at the great white throne judgment, the law is not brought out and people judged for sin, they are judged because they did not believe
no one will be condemned by the law. Like the high priest on the day of atonement made reparation for all of Israel, including the unbelievers, Jesus made reparations for all mankind
the deciding factor on who actually recieves this salvation is based again on John 1, 3 and so many other passages, on those who believe, just like abraham believed and he was justified based on his faith
he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already because they have not believed
they are not condemned for sin, as Jesus said, all manner of sin will be forgiven men.
at the great white throne judgment, the law is not brought out and people judged for sin, they are judged because they did not believe
no one will be condemned by the law. Like the high priest on the day of atonement made reparation for all of Israel, including the unbelievers, Jesus made reparations for all mankind
the deciding factor on who actually recieves this salvation is based again on John 1, 3 and so many other passages, on those who believe, just like abraham believed and he was justified based on his faith
well it seems to me the only thing making those 'polar opposites' is the interjection of time into the discussion. whenever we're talking about theology we're talking about things having to do with One who is outside of time, the Creator of time -- time is a creation. so it may not always be fruitful to interject time into the discussion, tho it's our natural inclination as creatures whose experience is constrained in time, to do so.
God 'speaks of things which are not as though they are' and creates by His the word of His mouth. what if we're only muddying the waters by trying to fit His doings into a timeline? i mean, if the square box doesn't fit in the round hole, cramming it in there really isn't much of a solution. that could be the situation on this topic; the two 'sides' are speaking from human perspective ((what else can we do?)), rather than God's -- which is unsearchable
God 'speaks of things which are not as though they are' and creates by His the word of His mouth. what if we're only muddying the waters by trying to fit His doings into a timeline? i mean, if the square box doesn't fit in the round hole, cramming it in there really isn't much of a solution. that could be the situation on this topic; the two 'sides' are speaking from human perspective ((what else can we do?)), rather than God's -- which is unsearchable