The Saving results of the Death of Christ !
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God's choice overriding man's will:
1. Deut 6:7
2. Eph 1:4
3. John 15:16
4. Eph 2:1-5
Man's freedom to choose how he wants to live his life, but not his eternal inheritance.
1. Deut 30:19
2. Isaiah 7:15
3. Job 34:4
4. Prov 1:29
5. Prov 3:31
6. Isaiah 56:4
7. Isaiah 66:4
8. Phil 1:22
Man did not choose to be born again; John 1:13, Which were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Eph 2:5, Even when we were (spiritually) dead (with no ability to choose the things of the Spirit, 1 Cor 2:14) in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ.
okay. I never heard of it. I heard of this Ps 103:12,3
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
The whole point of the sacrifice system in the old testament was that sins were remitted but not redeemed . Redemption of sins had to be done by Jesus perfect sacrifice. The blood of goats and bulls did not TAKE AWAY sins . Sins were forgiven by sacrifices but not redeemed . Thats why Jesus had to come . The bible taught one would come to TAKE AWAY SIN
. " behold the lamb of God who .....?
Yes, All of the unregenerate natural men, who do not believe in the things of the Spirit, as described in 1 Cor 2:14 will die in their sins, unless God quickens them to a new spiritual life, with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, so they then can believe in the things of the Spiritif you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.(John 8:24) what is there to argue?? clearly unbelief = ya still got sin & no remedy for them
i am waffling between reading all 23 pages of this thread or maybe it isn't worth reading.
Rom 3 .
25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins THAT ARE PAST . through the forbearance of God;
Heb 9
14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16¶For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
run, rabbit; run.
My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
(1 John 2:2)
(1 John 2:2)
avoiding it isn't really an option, friend. even the rabbit runs out of strength in his legs one day; it's better to be ready to give an answer.If Jesus never redeemed sins on the cross . Abraham, issac , Jacob , David would be lost . Sins had to be REDEEMED not just REMITTED.After the cross people recieved remission of sins AND more importantly REDEMPTION.All old testament saints awaited redemption in 'Abrahams bosom '
Their sins were remitted at the cross, they had faith in His Blood before Christ came and died Rom 3:24-25
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
God was righteous in remitting their sins in the past based upon the finished work of Christ which was yet future. They had Faith in His Blood as a propitiation just like NT saints. The OT Saints look forward to the Blood, the NT Saints look backwards to the Blood.
Im not going to keep telling you this, you either believe it, or God has hid it from you
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Nope
it does not prove your point that Christ did not offer reconciliation to all people
nice try though
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Yep
justified in an ungodly state, by faith,
not because they were regenerated
thank you
Christ has been reigning in his kingdom, the church, sense the day he set it up. Luke 17:20-21, And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, the kingdom of God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you'it is true as He told Pilate, His kingdom is not of this world.
but it's equally true that He taught us to pray, may His will be done on earth just as it is in heaven.
i am opposed to the neo-apostolic dominionism ideas. a kingdom does not exist without its King. but i would not be quick to rule out the King reigning over His inheritance on earth just because He first walked it as a pauper
We've got understand the difference between remission and redemption. Today we recieve both . Before the cross they only had remission.