The Saving results of the Death of Christ !
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I dont know what Jesus told nicodemus off record, neither do you. But on record is the fact that Jesus specifically stated who He was to die for, the Sheep Jn 10:11,15. And they shall believe. Now if anyone doesnt ever believe, its because they were not of His Sheep which He clearly stated He died for Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
So quite naturally the believing ones in Jn 3 16 are His Sheep.
And also this thread is about those Christ died for , their Salvation is effected by His death. You know all wont be saved, unless you believe in the false teaching of universalism.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
So quite naturally the believing ones in Jn 3 16 are His Sheep.
And also this thread is about those Christ died for , their Salvation is effected by His death. You know all wont be saved, unless you believe in the false teaching of universalism.
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Again your view
jesus who is willing that non should perish but all should come to eternal life
using lack of belief to show who Jesus died for does not compute, he died for all, however only those who believe will be saved
again, your bringing your fatalistic view here, let’s talk about Gods unfailing love. Not his pointed love and unfair redemption
jesus who is willing that non should perish but all should come to eternal life
using lack of belief to show who Jesus died for does not compute, he died for all, however only those who believe will be saved
again, your bringing your fatalistic view here, let’s talk about Gods unfailing love. Not his pointed love and unfair redemption
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The word sanctified here in Heb 10:10 is the word hagiazō and means:
to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
The Death of Christ has freed them He died for from the guilt of sin. It also agrees with Heb 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
The word purged is the word katharismos:
a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ
So cleansing from and freedom from the guilt of sin is automatically a saving result of the death of Christ ! 6
to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
The Death of Christ has freed them He died for from the guilt of sin. It also agrees with Heb 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
The word purged is the word katharismos:
a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ
So cleansing from and freedom from the guilt of sin is automatically a saving result of the death of Christ ! 6
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First, Galatians 3:29 does not say we are made partners in the New Covenant. It says that we are made heirs to the Covenant of PROMISE made 430 years before that of Law. This was not made with Israel, but Abraham and his SEED. There are three "seeds" promised to Abraham:
Second, Ephesians 2 does not, at any time say that we become Israelites. It pointedly annuls this notion by the use of the word "COMMONWEALTH". A "Commonwealth" is not one nation. It is the enjoyment of common good for multiple nations under a sovereign or government. A New Zealander does not become a Brit because he is in the Commonwealth. But he is eligible for the privileges that come from Her Majesty. The "Common" - "wealth" of British Colonies does not make a Nigerian a Scot.
Third, there is not a single case of a believer becoming an Israelite. It would be impossible since the believer is a "New Creature" and old things have passed away (2nd Cor.5:17). This includes ethnicity (Gal.3:28; Col.3:11). Israel and the Church remain separate throughout the New Testament into all eternity. The Church are the walls of New Jerusalem while Israel are the Gates.
- Christ (Gal.3:16)
- Seed as the sand of the sea-shore - earthly - Israel
- Seed as the stars of heaven - heavenly - the Church (Heb.3:1)
Second, Ephesians 2 does not, at any time say that we become Israelites. It pointedly annuls this notion by the use of the word "COMMONWEALTH". A "Commonwealth" is not one nation. It is the enjoyment of common good for multiple nations under a sovereign or government. A New Zealander does not become a Brit because he is in the Commonwealth. But he is eligible for the privileges that come from Her Majesty. The "Common" - "wealth" of British Colonies does not make a Nigerian a Scot.
Third, there is not a single case of a believer becoming an Israelite. It would be impossible since the believer is a "New Creature" and old things have passed away (2nd Cor.5:17). This includes ethnicity (Gal.3:28; Col.3:11). Israel and the Church remain separate throughout the New Testament into all eternity. The Church are the walls of New Jerusalem while Israel are the Gates.
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I disagree completely. Church and Israel will not be separate for eternity, God will have one people. One flock and one shepherd. This idea could be problematic when evangelizing Jews, as you are basically saying they are no longer israelites but the church? Or if they are still israelites, are they not the Church? hmm
Not I, am saying that the New Man has no ethnicity, but the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 2:15, 2nd Corinthians 5:17 and Colossians 3:10-11
"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself (out) of twain one new man, so making peace"
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
10 "And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."
The Jew loses nothing when he converts. According to men he still has an Israeli passport. According to Galatians 3 he is Christ's and heir to the Covenant of Promise. The only thing removed is the Law - which cursed him. Any man who converts to Christ gains massively. For instance, Israel have forfeit the Kingdom (Matt.21:43). But the second that an Israelite believes in Jesus he is once again eligible by rebirth (Jn.3:3), and by Baptism, he is qualified (Jn.3:5), for the Kingdom of God.
The Book of Hebrews is written to Israelites who had converted, but who, after persecution set in, wanted to return to Moses. The whole Book of Hebrews shows the superiority of Christ over Moses.
The idea of one flock is moot. Our Lord Jesus is KING of the Jews. Sheparding is one function as King.
"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself (out) of twain one new man, so making peace"
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
10 "And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."
The Jew loses nothing when he converts. According to men he still has an Israeli passport. According to Galatians 3 he is Christ's and heir to the Covenant of Promise. The only thing removed is the Law - which cursed him. Any man who converts to Christ gains massively. For instance, Israel have forfeit the Kingdom (Matt.21:43). But the second that an Israelite believes in Jesus he is once again eligible by rebirth (Jn.3:3), and by Baptism, he is qualified (Jn.3:5), for the Kingdom of God.
The Book of Hebrews is written to Israelites who had converted, but who, after persecution set in, wanted to return to Moses. The whole Book of Hebrews shows the superiority of Christ over Moses.
The idea of one flock is moot. Our Lord Jesus is KING of the Jews. Sheparding is one function as King.
A companion verse of Heb 10:10 which confirms the saving result of them Christ died for, namely His Sheep, its Heb 10:14
14 For by one offering[His death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Now who are the them that are sanctified ? Look again at Heb 10:10, and how were they sanctified ? Now these by that same means, Christs death are said to be perfected forever ! This includes their Justification before God, a complete cleansing of all the guilt of their sins. And that for ever ! 10
14 For by one offering[His death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Now who are the them that are sanctified ? Look again at Heb 10:10, and how were they sanctified ? Now these by that same means, Christs death are said to be perfected forever ! This includes their Justification before God, a complete cleansing of all the guilt of their sins. And that for ever ! 10
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If the Lord Jesus has died for the sin of the whole world, as you suggest, then there are no guilty. There is no one that would not go into the Kingdom of God. Even those who don't want to.
They have all been cleaned by the Blood of Christ.
Universalism, in a nutshell. Everyone is saved. No one needs to come to Christ or receive anything. They already have it.
Revelation 7:13-15
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
They have all been cleaned by the Blood of Christ.
Universalism, in a nutshell. Everyone is saved. No one needs to come to Christ or receive anything. They already have it.
Revelation 7:13-15
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
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The only perversion of the gospel is the one you do by insisting that Christ died for the sins of every single person, past and present, in the whole world.
There is no point in any gospel if everyones sins are already forgiven. They are good to go. Into the Kingdom of God with everyone.
But you misunderstand. Forgiveness of sin is something a person must RECEIVE. And the only way to receive it is to come to Christ, and ask. And once someone comes to Christ and receives forgiveness they are eternally saved.
This is absolutely elementary Christianity.
There is no point in any gospel if everyones sins are already forgiven. They are good to go. Into the Kingdom of God with everyone.
But you misunderstand. Forgiveness of sin is something a person must RECEIVE. And the only way to receive it is to come to Christ, and ask. And once someone comes to Christ and receives forgiveness they are eternally saved.
This is absolutely elementary Christianity.
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Silly Grandpa, It means that all are guilty and need to willfully come to the fountain and be cleansed therein this very day. You are far too old to have never read your Bible. You are setting yourself up for bigtime embarrassment at best. I hope you are just ignorant and not being blatantly blasphemous.
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