The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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brightfame52

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[QUOTE="seed_time_harvest, post: 4447760, member: 111231"]HIS death made salvation possible for Everyone.Someone might ask,well why did HE have to die?

GOD loves righteousness and If JESUS had not paid the price For us then we would not be acceptable to a GOD who loves righteousness.Fulfilling the law perfectly was the only way man could've been just before GOD and because of the weakness of our flesh,no man would be able to be perfect In GODs sight.
It WAS about the law but now It's about faith.

John 3:16
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16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.[/QUOTE]

Thats a error I believe, His death made salvation sure. Thats what I proving with this thread.
 
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ForestGreenCook

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eternally-gratefull said:
People are not condemned because of personal sin, they are condemned because of unbelief

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

this is basic christianity

Satans lie is God does not love, he is selfish, he wants us all to bow to him and do his will as slaves

Gods answer is he loves so much he dies for everyone. But will not force that love on anyone, those who reject his love will remain dead in sin.

yet God is seen as victory, for he died even for them, as you said, we must receive, God will not force us to recieve his love,

never again will there be any doubt of Gods love

i hate to say it. But fatalistic thinking takes away from the part of the true unselfish unending love of God,
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Consult the Greek interpretation for "condemned". It means to punish, God chastens those that he loves. It does not mean to hell.
 
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brightfame52

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brightfame52 said:
[QUOTE="seed_time_harvest, post: 4447760, member: 111231"]HIS death made salvation possible for Everyone.Someone might ask,well why did HE have to die?

GOD loves righteousness and If JESUS had not paid the price For us then we would not be acceptable to a GOD who loves righteousness.Fulfilling the law perfectly was the only way man could've been just before GOD and because of the weakness of our flesh,no man would be able to be perfect In GODs sight.
It WAS about the law but now It's about faith.

John 3:16
King James Version

16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Thats a error I believe, His death made salvation sure. Thats what I proving with this thread.[/QUOTE]
 
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ForestGreenCook

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That would make him force people to bow to his will. Which would make him the God satan professed him to be

God not only has the right to love people and die for them, he has the right to allow them to die against his will.

he proved this with Israel, as he said, his will was to take them under his wing, but they were unwilling

God forces nothing
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It would make discussing the scriptures with you more profitable, if you would give a scripture to back up your comments.

God chastens those that he loves when they sin, that does not mean that he sends them to hell. Jacob surname Israel are God's regenerated people, and in the old testament, he chastened them when they sinned, just as he does his regenerated children in this day and time.
 
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brightfame52

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People are not condemned because of personal sin, they are condemned because of unbelief
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I disagree, people are condemned because the law condemns them for sin. If Christ didn't die for them, they are condemned, and unbelief is a symptom of it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ForestGreenCook said:
Salvation=deliverance according to Greek. After we have been born again and commit a sin we separate=death ourselves from our fellowship with God, because God will not fellowship with sin. God is long suffering with his children , to come to repentance, when they have committed a sin. There is a deliverance (salvation) from the effects of sin, with God's forgiveness of the sin

This scripture has no reference to being delivered eternally.

If you reference all salvation scriptures to eternal salvation, they will promote eternal salvation by the good works of mankind. Not by God's sovereign grace.

With your theory that belief is necessary for eternal deliverance, how do you interpret 2 Tim 2:13?
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Thanks, but I reject your works based salvation theory
 
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Post 31, do you understand the point made ? Do you want to discuss it ?
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What’s there to understand?

he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified, amen. Eternal life is eternal not conditional

but that is who is saved. Not who he died for.
 
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He has a point, because Christs Blood washes away the guilt of sin. I just posted about that.
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It washes away the penalty of sin, not just the guilt, so he was partially correct
 
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No, you did not earn your salvation. That is why I am telling you that the scriptures do not uphold the fact that your eternal deliverance comes as a result of your believing, accepting, repenting, confessing, good works, etc. All of these actions of mankind are a result of being born again.

God renamed Jacob to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel. Most all of the time that Israel is mentioned it is referring to Jacob as Israel, not the nation of Israel. Rom 9:6. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel. Jacob is representative of God's elect, Rom 9:11. Jacob/Israel throughout their history were in and out of fellowship with God, and we are no different in this day and time.

People in the old testament and the new testament are all regenerated in the same manner, and that is with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, Isaiah 63:11.
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and you would be wrong

i could not be born again while still dead in sin. My sin must be justified redeemed first.

I am justified by grace through faith, apart from faith, I am not justified. Apart from justification i am dead in my sin
 
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Does not John 6:39 say that of all that he hath given me I should not lose any, but raise them up at the last day?
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Yes
but John 6: 40 says it is His will that all who see and believe has eternal life,


he has given those who would believe. As apposed to those who will reject

That is his will
 
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But who is it that the scriptures say "will see"?

How do you interpret 2 Tim 2:13?
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John 3 says he died for the world that whoever’s believes will have eternal life

it dies not say he died for whoever he chose so they will have eternal life. You can not remove believe

he who does not believe is condemned already,

he who believes is not condemned

the only things that seperates the condemned from the non condemned is belief vs non belief

2: 13 is correct, if after I come to faith, my faith fails, he will still keep his promise.

we are talking about how one is saved and why and who has the possibility to be saved not what happens after
 
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brightfame52 said:
Thats a error I believe, His death made salvation sure. Thats what I proving with this thread.
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it did for those who believe

for those who are still in unbelief, they still have the ability to repent. Because his death offers life to them also,

we were in unbelief once,
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
Consult the Greek interpretation for "condemned". It means to punish, God chastens those that he loves. It does not mean to hell.
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And?

those who do not believe are condemned

those who do are not condemned

what does that have to do with chastening?

you seem to be unsure of what we are discussing take a step back and take a breath
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
It would make discussing the scriptures with you more profitable, if you would give a scripture to back up your comments.

God chastens those that he loves when they sin, that does not mean that he sends them to hell. Jacob surname Israel are God's regenerated people, and in the old testament, he chastened them when they sinned, just as he does his regenerated children in this day and time.
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It would make discussion more profitable if you would pay attention

i am not discussing the chastening of the lord

i a, discussing who is condemned (to hell) vs who is saved (not condemned to hell)
 
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I disagree, people are condemned because the law condemns them for sin. If Christ didn't die for them, they are condemned, and unbelief is a symptom of it.
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I disagree, jesus fulfilled the law. As John said, behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world

Jesus made it clear

he said he who believes is not condemned

he who does not believe is condemned already

he did not say he who breaks the law is condemned already, we all have broken the law. So In effect we are all cursed,

jesus became that curse, so that whoever believes will not perish but has eternal life
 
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brightfame52 said:
So then those Christ died for are saved by His death, thats the point of the thread.
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Nope

those who do his will, and believe in him are saved by his death

i believe Jesus words after he told nicodemus how one is born again

he did not send his son to judge thethe world, but that the world might be saved

he who believes is not condemned (saved)

he who does not believe is condemned already (because he has not believed)

he died for all. so that all might be saved

but only those who believe will be saved
 
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