The Purpose of Speaking in Tongues
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Only in your opinion. Show any relationship between 1 Cor and Acts from the bible regarding tongues. Show any relationship between what you do and what happened in Acts.
All you have is the same word in Acts and 1 Corinthians. If you are going to connect the actions of 1 Cor and Acts then you must account for the actions in Genesis.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
All you have is the same word in Acts and 1 Corinthians. If you are going to connect the actions of 1 Cor and Acts then you must account for the actions in Genesis.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Roger,
Aren't you one who claims speaking in tongues no longer occurs? And if you claim it no longer occurs, why do you present yourself as someone who knows how it works??
Either speaking in tongues is something that currently occurs and could most accurately be described by those that have it, or speaking in tongues is not something that currently occurs, and no one would have it. In both cases, you exclude yourself as having any authority to speak because you either claim not to have it, or claim it doesn't exist.
I would love it if you were able to grasp the meaning of errors like this, but historically you just switch gears to try to justify yourself, or you move to attack the other person, or you just avoid that person for some time as if the problem will just go away. But those problems don't go away. Once they've been presented to you, it doesn't matter how you try to avoid them. They are written in the books and kept until judgement day.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Aren't you one who claims speaking in tongues no longer occurs? And if you claim it no longer occurs, why do you present yourself as someone who knows how it works??
Either speaking in tongues is something that currently occurs and could most accurately be described by those that have it, or speaking in tongues is not something that currently occurs, and no one would have it. In both cases, you exclude yourself as having any authority to speak because you either claim not to have it, or claim it doesn't exist.
I would love it if you were able to grasp the meaning of errors like this, but historically you just switch gears to try to justify yourself, or you move to attack the other person, or you just avoid that person for some time as if the problem will just go away. But those problems don't go away. Once they've been presented to you, it doesn't matter how you try to avoid them. They are written in the books and kept until judgement day.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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For the record:
1 Corinthians 14 was written BY someone who had speaking in tongues TO people who had speaking in tongues teaching them HOW TO USE speaking in tongues properly. It is no surprise that people who don't have speaking in tongues have no idea what is actually being said because those people are left with only their natural understanding trying to figure out spiritual things.
The same is true of the rest of the New testament... because it was all written by people who had speaking in tongues.
Acts 2:4 KJV
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
1 Corinthians 14 was written BY someone who had speaking in tongues TO people who had speaking in tongues teaching them HOW TO USE speaking in tongues properly. It is no surprise that people who don't have speaking in tongues have no idea what is actually being said because those people are left with only their natural understanding trying to figure out spiritual things.
The same is true of the rest of the New testament... because it was all written by people who had speaking in tongues.
Acts 2:4 KJV
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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For the record:
1 Corinthians 14 was written BY someone who had speaking in tongues TO people who had speaking in tongues teaching them HOW TO USE speaking in tongues properly. It is no surprise that people who don't have speaking in tongues have no idea what is actually being said because those people are left with only their natural understanding trying to figure out spiritual things.
The same is true of the rest of the New testament... because it was all written by people who had speaking in tongues.
Acts 2:4 KJV
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
1 Corinthians 14 was written BY someone who had speaking in tongues TO people who had speaking in tongues teaching them HOW TO USE speaking in tongues properly. It is no surprise that people who don't have speaking in tongues have no idea what is actually being said because those people are left with only their natural understanding trying to figure out spiritual things.
The same is true of the rest of the New testament... because it was all written by people who had speaking in tongues.
Acts 2:4 KJV
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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For the record:
1 Corinthians 14 was written BY someone who had speaking in tongues TO people who had speaking in tongues teaching them HOW TO USE speaking in tongues properly. It is no surprise that people who don't have speaking in tongues have no idea what is actually being said because those people are left with only their natural understanding trying to figure out spiritual things.
The same is true of the rest of the New testament... because it was all written by people who had speaking in tongues.
Acts 2:4 KJV
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
1 Corinthians 14 was written BY someone who had speaking in tongues TO people who had speaking in tongues teaching them HOW TO USE speaking in tongues properly. It is no surprise that people who don't have speaking in tongues have no idea what is actually being said because those people are left with only their natural understanding trying to figure out spiritual things.
The same is true of the rest of the New testament... because it was all written by people who had speaking in tongues.
Acts 2:4 KJV
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Kelby, I couldn't agree with you more! They can't understand spiritual things because they are trying so hard to sound so intelligent with their natural minds, perhaps to impress others, I don't know their motivation, but the reality is that they don't know ANYTHING! That's why I think it's almost a waste of time to discuss this topic with people who obviously have a closed mind, heart and spirit. They only attack, accuse, and claim superior knowledge of something they know NOTHING ABOUT! Quite ARROGANT really, when you think about it!
{Let's suppose for a moment that I had to examine and write a review of a picture of a bumblebee(as if I'd never seen a real bumblebee before in my life). I would probably laugh outright, because in my "expert opinion", it was so obviously a creature that could have never flown...like the ostrich. I would logically point out that the size of their wings were disproportionate to their bodies, rendering them unable to lift their chubby body in flight, or sustain it in mid air. And, I'd probably think that people who believed otherwise were foolish to think that the bumblebee could ever fly or could have ever been that useful in the first place. Basically, an unimportant gift to humanity, not worthy of attention.}---in like manner, such is the critique given about this gift from people who know NOTHING about it, or any other gift, for that matter.....BUT HEY, it's their "expert opinion".
NOW, the reason I also agree with you about trying to understand things with our natural mind and limited experience is that something similar also happened to me.
As a preface to this, and if you are interested, my testimony:"Truly Unexpected" gives an account of when God became a living, breathing God to me, and it was also when I received the gift of tongues. But moving on, after that, my experience was definitely very, very limited, and wanting to learn more, I picked up a bible study book written by Kenneth Hagin (senior), a former Baptist turned pentecostal preacher. The book was about all the gifts of the spirit. And well, try as I might, I could NOT understand much of it...and that's even with Pastor Hagin repeating himself in the book quite a bit...and by the way, I usually get stuff I read the first time around! It was not until I went on a missionary trip to the Bahamas years later that I saw the gifts in action in me and in others that I finally understood what that bible study book meant! ...and bible passages as well. I can't explain it, it's like it suddenly seemed so simple and perfect when before it seemed like gibberish.
So yes, there are some things that can only be understood in the spirit....IF you are open to understanding them...BIG IF.
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PLEASE STOP BEING SO DEFENSIVE! AND PLEASE, OPEN YOUR HEART, MIND, AND SPIRIT.
It does not mean that you don't necessarily have the Holy Spirit. It means that it is the clear evidence that a person does have the Holy Spirit. I don't know you. You might, or might not have the Holy Spirit. You should ask God in prayer.
I have met one, mind you ONE christian who did not speak in tongues and was very spirit filled. It was obvious how much he really loved and breathed the mercy of God. It was NOT just an act to impress everyone else of his holiness either, BUT he had been disciplined his whole life, by his parents, to steer clear of those "crazy Pentecostals" who spoke in tongues. He was very fearful, so no, he didn't and wouldn't be open to the possibility, but he was definitely spirit filled. I have to say that most Christians I have met are quite frankly very, very carnal. (I've been a Christian for 41 1/2 years)
And to be fair, I must also mention that likewise, I have met others who do speak in tongues and have not used it to help themselves or others. They stopped using the gift and it became dormant and useless in their failing Christian lives.
Everyone is on a journey to the MOST HIGH. Amen, ...you are blessed!
It does not mean that you don't necessarily have the Holy Spirit. It means that it is the clear evidence that a person does have the Holy Spirit. I don't know you. You might, or might not have the Holy Spirit. You should ask God in prayer.
I have met one, mind you ONE christian who did not speak in tongues and was very spirit filled. It was obvious how much he really loved and breathed the mercy of God. It was NOT just an act to impress everyone else of his holiness either, BUT he had been disciplined his whole life, by his parents, to steer clear of those "crazy Pentecostals" who spoke in tongues. He was very fearful, so no, he didn't and wouldn't be open to the possibility, but he was definitely spirit filled. I have to say that most Christians I have met are quite frankly very, very carnal. (I've been a Christian for 41 1/2 years)
And to be fair, I must also mention that likewise, I have met others who do speak in tongues and have not used it to help themselves or others. They stopped using the gift and it became dormant and useless in their failing Christian lives.
Everyone is on a journey to the MOST HIGH. Amen, ...you are blessed!
In general terms, and as a matter of how it is presented in Acts, yes. I realize that to be a matter of contention by some, but it is recorded in the bible as being how they knew a person had received the Holy Ghost, (Acts 10:45&46) and it is still given today (which is why there is still so much argument around it)
Love in Jesus
Indeed. Even amongst Holy Ghost Christians the same thing holds true.
When our church was having bible studies we would openly talk about what each person saw in each scripture. This would sometimes lead to heated debate because not everyone saw the same thing. One time when a debate was especially heated a wise person said "There's no need to argue. We ALL have the option to take the item to prayer SINCERELY. If we take our questions to God SINCERELY, God will without doubt open the understanding because he is no respecter of persons. And if a person refuses to take things to God SINCERELY, there is no amount of arguing that can open the person's understanding OR prevent them from being deceived by their flesh. So either way, there is no reason to continue arguing."
That ended the argument with all eyes pointed toward God as the ultimate provider of truth and understanding.
And having said that,.. I'll go ahead and explain why I do continue to discuss topics like speaking in tongues even though there are people who fulfill Jude 1:10. It's because of another verse (Philipians 1:18) and the fact that some people haven't had the thorough teaching that I have received. So I share what I've learned for the sake of the unlearned. And those who fulfil Philipians 1:18 and Jude 1:10 help to point out where good teaching is needed. So thanks for that, guys. (Also fulfilling Romans 8:28)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Love in Jesus
Indeed. Even amongst Holy Ghost Christians the same thing holds true.
When our church was having bible studies we would openly talk about what each person saw in each scripture. This would sometimes lead to heated debate because not everyone saw the same thing. One time when a debate was especially heated a wise person said "There's no need to argue. We ALL have the option to take the item to prayer SINCERELY. If we take our questions to God SINCERELY, God will without doubt open the understanding because he is no respecter of persons. And if a person refuses to take things to God SINCERELY, there is no amount of arguing that can open the person's understanding OR prevent them from being deceived by their flesh. So either way, there is no reason to continue arguing."
That ended the argument with all eyes pointed toward God as the ultimate provider of truth and understanding.
And having said that,.. I'll go ahead and explain why I do continue to discuss topics like speaking in tongues even though there are people who fulfill Jude 1:10. It's because of another verse (Philipians 1:18) and the fact that some people haven't had the thorough teaching that I have received. So I share what I've learned for the sake of the unlearned. And those who fulfil Philipians 1:18 and Jude 1:10 help to point out where good teaching is needed. So thanks for that, guys.
(Also fulfilling Romans 8:28)- Jude 1:10 KJV "But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves."
- Philippians 1:18 KJV "What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
- Romans 8:28 KJV "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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I understand your questions. However if we are being humble before the Lord and before the Word of God we will want to know why God chose to give the gift of tongues, what was the benefit, certainly there is one, it is called a gift not a curse. What was God doing why is it in the bible and what does it mean for me. If we say "I do not see the value in the gift of tongues that you gave to people in the bible, God" won't we feel a little tinge of guilt? Maybe we should say "God I am sure you had a reason, everything you do is Good and perfect, please show me the reason" And then we study until we understand the scriptures and see what God intended. Amen?
In general terms, and as a matter of how it is presented in Acts, yes. I realize that to be a matter of contention by some, but it is recorded in the bible as being how they knew a person had received the Holy Ghost, (Acts 10:45&46) and it is still given today (which is why there is still so much argument around it)
Love in Jesus
Indeed. Even amongst Holy Ghost Christians the same thing holds true.
When our church was having bible studies we would openly talk about what each person saw in each scripture. This would sometimes lead to heated debate because not everyone saw the same thing. One time when a debate was especially heated a wise person said "There's no need to argue. We ALL have the option to take the item to prayer SINCERELY. If we take our questions to God SINCERELY, God will without doubt open the understanding because he is no respecter of persons. And if a person refuses to take things to God SINCERELY, there is no amount of arguing that can open the person's understanding OR prevent them from being deceived by their flesh. So either way, there is no reason to continue arguing."
That ended the argument with all eyes pointed toward God as the ultimate provider of truth and understanding.
And having said that,.. I'll go ahead and explain why I do continue to discuss topics like speaking in tongues even though there are people who fulfill Jude 1:10. It's because of another verse (Philipians 1:18) and the fact that some people haven't had the thorough teaching that I have received. So I share what I've learned for the sake of the unlearned. And those who fulfil Philipians 1:18 and Jude 1:10 help to point out where good teaching is needed. So thanks for that, guys. (Also fulfilling Romans 8:28)
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Love in Jesus
Indeed. Even amongst Holy Ghost Christians the same thing holds true.
When our church was having bible studies we would openly talk about what each person saw in each scripture. This would sometimes lead to heated debate because not everyone saw the same thing. One time when a debate was especially heated a wise person said "There's no need to argue. We ALL have the option to take the item to prayer SINCERELY. If we take our questions to God SINCERELY, God will without doubt open the understanding because he is no respecter of persons. And if a person refuses to take things to God SINCERELY, there is no amount of arguing that can open the person's understanding OR prevent them from being deceived by their flesh. So either way, there is no reason to continue arguing."
That ended the argument with all eyes pointed toward God as the ultimate provider of truth and understanding.
And having said that,.. I'll go ahead and explain why I do continue to discuss topics like speaking in tongues even though there are people who fulfill Jude 1:10. It's because of another verse (Philipians 1:18) and the fact that some people haven't had the thorough teaching that I have received. So I share what I've learned for the sake of the unlearned. And those who fulfil Philipians 1:18 and Jude 1:10 help to point out where good teaching is needed. So thanks for that, guys.
(Also fulfilling Romans 8:28)- Jude 1:10 KJV "But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves."
- Philippians 1:18 KJV "What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
- Romans 8:28 KJV "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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