The Law

[Blik]

Dearie, you seem to ignore Romans 1-4 and Galatians 1-4; 8 chapters on relating law keeping and our justification and how the two don't mix when it comes to salvation.
You ought to try studying them sometime.

You say that law keeping and salvation do not mix, I say that law keeping the salvation do not mix, yet you say I am ignoring scripture to say that, and you are not. That doesn't compute.

However, I say we are rewarded by law keeping and scripture says we are rewarded by law keeping. If you want to accuse about ignoring scripture. Matt. 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

 

[crossnote]

You say that law keeping and salvation do not mix, I say that law keeping the salvation do not mix, yet you say I am ignoring scripture to say that, and you are not. That doesn't compute.

However, I say we are rewarded by law keeping and scripture says we are rewarded by law keeping. If you want to accuse about ignoring scripture. Matt. 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

See my post #260 above, it is pretty clear cut.

 

[Blik]

Here is one to try and see how it fits into your 'law keeping' theology...

Galatians 3:1-3 (KJV) O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Scripture tells us law keeping is does not earn salvation, law keeping is apart from salvation, yet you try over and over to relate the two. Scripture does not preach to ignore the law. Scripture does not preach that there is no profit in obeying the law, scripture simply does not back up your being so against any idea of law keeping. Scripture is against your idea of joining the two ideas, as if keeping the law keeps you from salvation. It does not, it has nothing whatsoever to do with salvation. It is apart from salvation.

 

[crossnote]

However, I say we are rewarded by law keeping and scripture says we are rewarded by law keeping.

What you seem to overlook is...

Galatians 3:22 (KJV) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Romans 3:9-10 (KJV) What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Loving the law is no excuse to ignore faith.

 

[crossnote]

Scripture tells us law keeping is does not earn salvation, law keeping is apart from salvation, yet you try over and over to relate the two. Scripture does not preach to ignore the law. Scripture does not preach that there is no profit in obeying the law, scripture simply does not back up your being so against any idea of law keeping. Scripture is against your idea of joining the two ideas, as if keeping the law keeps you from salvation. It does not, it has nothing whatsoever to do with salvation. It is apart from salvation.

Give it up Blik. All you do is twist the words of others.
The only way the law is related to faith is to drive us to the Cross as sinners. You seem to think you can revert back to the law even though Paul says that is a foolish move in Gal 3:1-3.
Scripture over and over says "The just shall live by faith". Go and learn what that means and then maybe we can have an intelligent discussion.

Hebrews 11:6 (KJV) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

 

[Dino246]

Scripture tells us law keeping is does not earn salvation, law keeping is apart from salvation, yet you try over and over to relate the two. Scripture does not preach to ignore the law. Scripture does not preach that there is no profit in obeying the law, scripture simply does not back up your being so against any idea of law keeping. Scripture is against your idea of joining the two ideas, as if keeping the law keeps you from salvation. It does not, it has nothing whatsoever to do with salvation. It is apart from salvation.

Blik... having begun in the Spirit, are you now (trying to be) made perfect by the flesh? Having believed in Jesus Christ, are you now seeking blessings by following law? Every promise is Yes and Amen in Christ, not in the keeping of law.

 

[Blik]

What you seem to overlook is...

Galatians 3:22 (KJV) But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Romans 3:9-10 (KJV) What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Loving the law is no excuse to ignore faith.

Of course. People preach that if you accept the law you must deny faith, and if you accept faith you must deny the law. This is not so, all scripture is truth. To deny either is to deny the truth of the Lord. People here preach to deny the law, it is not truth just as denying faith would not be truth. I am falsely accused of that, yet there is no post I have made denying faith.

 

[Blik]

Blik... having begun in the Spirit, are you now (trying to be) made perfect by the flesh? Having believed in Jesus Christ, are you now seeking blessings by following law? Every promise is Yes and Amen in Christ, not in the keeping of law.

Back up your question with a post of mine saying I am trying to be perfect.

 

[H3n0515]

Back up your question with a post of mine saying I am trying to be perfect.

Why aren't you trying?

Matthew 5:48

 

[Blik]

I think all posters should ask themselves why there is such severe opposition to such scripture as Jpjn 14'15 If you love me, you will obey my commandments.

 

[Blik]

I think all posters should ask themselves why there is such severe opposition to such scripture as Jpjn 14'15 If you love me, you will obey my commandments.

 

[H3n0515]

I think all posters should ask themselves why there is such severe opposition to such scripture as Jpjn 14'15 If you love me, you will obey my commandments.

John is written long after Galatians...

 

[H3n0515]

People want to control others, preaching the law is a way to do that

The fact is that is not the gospel

ONLY Galatians calls itself a gospel

 

[H3n0515]

I want to post Galatians 1:9 here too

 

[H3n0515]

Note, again, Galatians is the very first Christian text, historically

 

[Dino246]

Back up your question with a post of mine saying I am trying to be perfect.

You are about 20 posts behind on the request for quotations. I was quoting Scripture, not you.

 

[crossnote]

Of course. People preach that if you accept the law you must deny faith, and if you accept faith you must deny the law. This is not so, all scripture is truth. To deny either is to deny the truth of the Lord. People here preach to deny the law, it is not truth just as denying faith would not be truth. I am falsely accused of that, yet there is no post I have made denying faith.

Its just that you seem to emphasize keeping the Law over our walk of faith...

Galatians 3:12 (KJV) And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Philippians 3:9 (KJV) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

 

[Gideon300]

right , we need to stop the works that are condemning us that transgress the law.

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ is about repentance that’s about ceasing the works of the flesh not working to earn anything , but stopping the work of the flesh the reason we need to stop those works is because we have to answer for them

It’s why Paul preached so much on the judgement according to works and shared the terror of the lord with the church tomondoce repentance ( ceasing from the dead works of the flesh )

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭

while salvstion came by Christs work , his word of repentance remains the same and requires us to stop working against salvstion by serving the flesh works that disqualify us repentance , and also remission of sins is the message


“For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:11-12‬ ‭

we want to face the lord having repented for the wrongs we did , and shown mercy to those who offended us .

the whole idea about works having nothing to do with anything that people make us sort of muted by the doctrine itself

“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

While we can’t save ourselves without Christs work , if we don’t respond we can condemn ourselves just like every sinner has condemned themselves by rejecting Gods word of life

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As Christians we are supposed to be changed and become zealous for good deeds which those good works are brotherly love. Caring for others as if we actually love them and they are actually family beloved by God

Law only tells you what we must do. It has no power to enable us to do it. All that the Law does is judge and condemn. Studying the law either feeds pride because people feel so good about themselves or brings despair because they cannot live up to the Law's demands. The Law is intended to prove that we cannot keep it! Even the most self righteous (like Paul) fail at some point. If we fail in one point, we have failed in every other. There is no mercy and no grace in the Law.

It helps to remember that Lord Jesus taught Israel under the Old Covenant. But he also pointed out the hypocrisy of law abiding Pharisees. The tax collector was justified because he cried out, "God be merciful to me, a sinner". The Pharisee, who gave 10% of his home grown herbs as a tithe, was self righteous. God ignored his boasting.

Christ is the end of the law for all who believe. Being obsessed with the law is unhealthy and unproductive. Focus on Christ, who He is and what He has done. If you submit to His Lordship, allow Him to live out His life in you and through you, Christ will be fulfilling God's righteous requirements within you. God is only pleased with Christ. All the efforts of self are in vain.

 

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This is closer to what our Christian walk should look like...

Heb 11:32-40 And what more shall I say? For time will fail me if I recount Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, as well as David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, performed righteousness, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong from weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.

35 Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection; 36 and others experienced mockings and floggings, yes, also chains and imprisonment. 37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were tempted, they were put to death with the sword. They went about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, mistreated 38 (of whom the world was not worthy), wandering in desolate places and mountains and caves and holes in the ground.

39 And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40 because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect.

 

[Dino246]

Of course. People preach that if you accept the law you must deny faith, and if you accept faith you must deny the law.

Quote anyone who has said that.