The Law

[Pilgrimshope]

God put an end to the Law of Moses to prove that Salvation would come by His Promise and not by human works.

right , we need to stop the works that are condemning us that transgress the law.

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Christ is about repentance that’s about ceasing the works of the flesh not working to earn anything , but stopping the work of the flesh the reason we need to stop those works is because we have to answer for them

It’s why Paul preached so much on the judgement according to works and shared the terror of the lord with the church tomondoce repentance ( ceasing from the dead works of the flesh )

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭

while salvstion came by Christs work , his word of repentance remains the same and requires us to stop working against salvstion by serving the flesh works that disqualify us repentance , and also remission of sins is the message


“For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:11-12‬ ‭

we want to face the lord having repented for the wrongs we did , and shown mercy to those who offended us .

the whole idea about works having nothing to do with anything that people make us sort of muted by the doctrine itself

“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

While we can’t save ourselves without Christs work , if we don’t respond we can condemn ourselves just like every sinner has condemned themselves by rejecting Gods word of life

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

As Christians we are supposed to be changed and become zealous for good deeds which those good works are brotherly love. Caring for others as if we actually love them and they are actually family beloved by God

 

[SophieT]

you won't find anywhere in scripture anyone but Satan telling us we should hate the law.

huh

I've never seen anyone say that in this forum either, despite Blik's trying to make it seem so

 

[TMS]

Which ones of over 613 do you keep?
Or be more specific, which commandments are you referring to?

I've made it clear that many of the ceremonial laws are not valid today because of what Jesus has done.
but some of the laws in the old testament are valid like the 10 commandments. The principles of love do not change and the principles of life do not change.

Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

 

[throughfaith]

Blik doesn't believe we keep the law for salvation; she simply loves His law, and sees righteousness in it.

you won't find anywhere in scripture anyone but Satan telling us we should hate the law.

I Agree that we should not hate the law . We need to understand it . Can we be clear though that were not UNDER it as Christians?

 

[throughfaith]

Blik doesn't believe we keep the law for salvation; she simply loves His law, and sees righteousness in it.

you won't find anywhere in scripture anyone but Satan telling us we should hate the law.

So long as we understand this .
Rom 3
21¶But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

 

[throughfaith]

Over and over posters say God favors the Israelites with His word, we are excluded, yet scripture tells us this is not so.

Romans 2": 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

I've never said God favors the Israelites with His word, or that we are excluded?

 

[TMS]

I Agree that we should not hate the law . We need to understand it . Can we be clear though that were not UNDER it as Christians?

Can i ask,
as a Christian can you sin?
Can you commit sin after you become a Christian?

 

[TMS]

How is the Holy Spirit able to convict us of sin?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

 

[crossnote]

I've made it clear that many of the ceremonial laws are not valid today because of what Jesus has done.
but some of the laws in the old testament are valid like the 10 commandments. The principles of love do not change and the principles of life do not change.

Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Yes, and He has written His moral law on our hearts as born again believers. What is your point?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Can i ask,
as a Christian can you sin?
Can you commit sin after you become a Christian?

Yes, a Christian can sin, but they are not charged with that sin. For where there is no law to break, there is no condemnation.

Romans 4:15 NLT - "For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break!)"

This is the reason for which the Law of Moses would come to an end . . . this is the Holy Work of Christ!

Colossians 2:14-15 KJV - "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

But . . . read ALL of Colossians 2:9-15. These Seven Perfect Verses are the utter Core of the entire Bible. Verse 9 is shocking, fully explained by verse 10, and then verses 11-15 explain verses 9 and 10. We must all know these passages forward and backward!

 

[crossnote]

Yes, a Christian can sin, but they are not charged with that sin. For where there is no law to break, there is no condemnation.

Romans 4:15 NLT - "For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break!)"

This is the reason for which the Law of Moses would come to an end . . . this is the Holy Work of Christ!

Colossians 2:14-15 KJV - "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

But . . . read ALL of Colossians 2:9-15. These Seven Perfect Verses are the utter Core of the entire Bible. Verse 9 is shocking, fully explained by verse 10, and then verses 11-15 explain verses 9 and 10. We must all know these passages forward and backward!

We can throw this in for good measure...

Romans 8:1 (NASB) Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

 

[Blik]

I would see you ,at best ( with respect) as a weaker Sister .
12¶For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Someone who is still needing the training wheels on . At worst ,a cause for another to stumble and ship wreck their faith . What your clumsily teaching is that serious . A kin to a SDA .

Are you actually saying that if we are guided by law for how to live with Christ within, we are looking at milk for guidance? Are you so holy, righteous, knowledgeable that you can thumb your nose at any guidance given for you are perfectly able to live without any? If it was a sign of weakness to look to Christ, then I am weak and glory in it.

 

[TMS]

Yes, and He has written His moral law on our hearts as born again believers. What is your point?

The law is good and Holy and Spiritual. It is still important today to have the law in our hearts. It has not been thrown out the window.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

The law is good and Holy and Spiritual. It is still important today to have the law in our hearts. It has not been thrown out the window.

True Christians are controlled by the Holy Spirit. This can only be done through Effectual Laws [Who] Cause us to be a specific way:

Romans 8:2-3 KJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh . . ."

As said, these are Laws that Cause us to be a specific way, which is what it means to be Controlled by the Spirit, if the Spirit actually lives within a person. And while most people believe they are True Christians, they in fact, are not, for we are changed from within, and now from without.

Romans 8:9 NLT - "But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.)"

 

[TMS]

Yes, a Christian can sin, but they are not charged with that sin. For where there is no law to break, there is no condemnation.

Romans 4:15 NLT - "For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break!)"

This is the reason for which the Law of Moses would come to an end . . . this is the Holy Work of Christ!

Colossians 2:14-15 KJV - "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

But . . . read ALL of Colossians 2:9-15. These Seven Perfect Verses are the utter Core of the entire Bible. Verse 9 is shocking, fully explained by verse 10, and then verses 11-15 explain verses 9 and 10. We must all know these passages forward and backward!

this is contradicting itself. No law to break = no condemnation, and that means no sin.

if there is no law to break you are not guilty of transgressing the law.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

You said, "Yes a christian can sin."

You quoted romans 4:15..
Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace;

No law = no transgression.
no transgression = no need for faith in Jesus, no need for grace.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

this is contradicting itself. No law to break = no condemnation, and that means no sin.

if there is no law to break you are not guilty of transgressing the law.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

You said, "Yes a christian can sin."

You quoted romans 4:15..
Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace;

No law = no transgression.
no transgression = no need for faith in Jesus, no need for grace.

Okie Doke.

 

[TMS]

Colossians 2:14-15 KJV - "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it."

But . . . read ALL of Colossians 2:9-15. These Seven Perfect Verses are the utter Core of the entire Bible. Verse 9 is shocking, fully explained by verse 10, and then verses 11-15 explain verses 9 and 10. We must all know these passages forward and backward!

The handwriting of ordinances does not include the whole law.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

The handwriting of ordinances does not include the whole law.

Oh, I see. Thank you.

 

[TMS]

True Christians are controlled by the Holy Spirit. This can only be done through Effectual Laws [Who] Cause us to be a specific way:

Romans 8:2-3 KJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh . . ."

As said, these are Laws that Cause us to be a specific way, which is what it means to be Controlled by the Spirit, if the Spirit actually lives within a person. And while most people believe they are True Christians, they in fact, are not, for we are changed from within, and now from without.

Romans 8:9 NLT - "But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.)"

i agree
It is all about having Jesus in us because we can't do it ourselves and if we try to obey the laws ourselves we will end up like the Israelites 2 weeks after they made a covenant with God.

Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

they danced around a golden calf shortly after. they failed, and we will do the same if we try to obey in our own strength.

There are many laws,

If we sin we have grace through faith, and this does not mean the laws that reveal sin are void, it means we are saved and freed from them by Jesus.

 

[TMS]

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.